FR Bullocks.

Feckthis

Well I tell ye what. If these lads are hitting near 500kgs I'll eat me hat! http://www.donedeal.ie/view/7896601
21 month old bullocks

Kovu

Maybe the seller is really really really tall.......




To be fair though, 'can be weighed on purchase!'

chippy78

Or maybe they are really really far away.....!!

_Brian

Dont look much closer to 400kg.
Don't see many worth the asking price.

Brown Podzol

Bring your own scales.:rolleyes:

Sam Kade

It would be interesting to see how he'll weigh them, maybe the local weighbridge.

whelan2

wonder where did the 487kg figure come from?

Sam Kade

whelan2 wrote: »

wonder where did the 487kg figure come from?

The biggest bullock in the batch no doubt, who stepped aside when the photo session was in progress

Bullocks

I don't know if they're quite 500kg but they are nice bullocks for fr lads

Sam Kade

Bullocks wrote: »

I don't know if they're quite 500kg but they are nice bullocks for fr lads

Indeed they are nice square bullocks, what would be the going rate for them assuming they are averaging around 400 kgs?

Willfarman

Sam Kade wrote: »

Indeed they are nice square bullocks, what would be the going rate for them assuming they are averaging around 400 kgs?

A 400 kg friesian that age would have to be somewhat stunted. Be a poor seller.

Bullocks

Sam Kade wrote: »

Indeed they are nice square bullocks, what would be the going rate for them assuming they are averaging around 400 kgs?

I'm no expert but I would like around the €800 for them if I was selling them lads . Thats the bitch about selling friesan bullocs around that weight , they are probably worth it but never get it in the mart , you should really keep them for the factory .
What would similar weight/shape continentals make in the mart ?

simx

Bullocks wrote: »

I'm no expert but I would like around the €800 for them if I was selling them lads . Thats the bitch about selling friesan bullocs around that weight , they are probably worth it but never get it in the mart , you should really keep them for the factory .
What would similar weight/shape continentals make in the mart ?

Seen reasonably good quality, not total be fr but not bad either selling yesterday and not making €1.5/kg

Sam Kade

Willfarman wrote: »

A 400 kg friesian that age would have to be somewhat stunted. Be a poor seller.

You'll still have plenty buyers though.

Bullocks wrote: »

I'm no expert but I would like around the €800 for them if I was selling them lads . Thats the bitch about selling friesan bullocs around that weight , they are probably worth it but never get it in the mart , you should really keep them for the factory .
What would similar weight/shape continentals make in the mart ?

800, the man buying them would be losing money. I was thinking 600 the very max.

larrymiller

Often wonder about these lads
http://www.donedeal.ie/view/3919253
ALL CULL & DISABLED CATTLE !!!

Muckit

What do you be wondering?

mf240

350 with the weight for reasonably ok friesans in local mart back to 250 for poorer ones.

Those cattle in the add look to be a little under 400kgs.

larrymiller

Muckit wrote: »

What do you be wondering?

His yard must look like an a+e ward.

Mad4simmental

Muckit wrote: »

What do you be wondering?

They just want the cards and tag numbers.

Kovu

Mad4simmental wrote: »

They just want the cards and tag numbers.

Careful now......don't be suggesting things like that please.

sh1tstirrer

mf240 wrote: »

350 with the weight for reasonably ok friesans in local mart back to 250 for poorer ones.

Those cattle in the add look to be a little under 400kgs.

It could take them the most of a year to be ready for the factory.

Farmer Pudsey

Photographs of cattle can be deceptive. However hard to see these averaging near 500kgs. Look a square enough bunch. Would not consider 400kg Fresians stinted. That weight are par for the course with some store sellers. Have seen 15-16 months cont bullocks from sucklers weighing less than that. Everybody forgets that fresh weight can be 30kg or more above mart or empty weight. There are a few JEX crosses in them.

At 400kg average if good quality they be making 600ish in the mart. At present store prices are climbing if they were 400isg average if I got them for 600 and he delivered them I be happy enough

Willfarman

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Photographs of cattle can be deceptive. However hard to see these averaging near 500kgs. Look a square enough bunch. Would not consider 400kg Fresians stinted. That weight are par for the course with some store sellers. Have seen 15-16 months cont bullocks from sucklers weighing less than that. Everybody forgets that fresh weight can be 30kg or more above mart or empty weight. There are a few JEX crosses in them.

At 400kg average if good quality they be making 600ish in the mart. At present store prices are climbing if they were 400isg average if I got them for 600 and he delivered them I be happy enough

You wouldn't consider 21 month old cattle weighing under 400 kgs coming off grass in one of the of the best years of grass in living memory in danger of being stunted?

mf240

Willfarman wrote: »

You wouldn't consider 21 month old cattle weighing under 400 kgs coming off grass in one of the of the best years of grass in living memory in danger of being stunted?

Tis a fair middling weight for that age but you see it every week in the marts. A small bit of care since birth would have them weighing 500 kgs and worth a lot more.

Farmer Pudsey

Willfarman wrote: »

You wouldn't consider 21 month old cattle weighing under 400 kgs coming off grass in one of the of the best years of grass in living memory in danger of being stunted?

Lots of bullocks end up that weight at that age not just Friesians. Go to lots of marts along the west coast and you will see such stores. Remember buying a bunch of eight once in August four years ago. They averaged 380 on buying. they nearly killed that 15 months later. Heaviest killed 420kgsDW and the lightest about 330kgs. I think they left a few bob.

Willfarman

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Lots of bullocks end up that weight at that age not just Friesians. Go to lots of marts along the west coast and you will see such stores. Remember buying a bunch of eight once in August four years ago. They averaged 380 on buying. they nearly killed that 15 months later. Heaviest killed 420kgsDW and the lightest about 330kgs. I think they left a few bob.

I'd hate to be looking at an animal for 15 months! But point taken.

Farmer Pudsey

Willfarman wrote: »

I'd hate to be looking at an animal for 15 months! But point taken.

I work full time, and would not have the time to go to the mart week in week out. Find that these type of cattle are as profitable as anything else. This May bought 4 two year old cattle (2 WH and 2 AA) in a bunch 335 kgs, 3 are now about 480kgs last is a slow growing AA he is about 380 now. Paid less than 500 for them at the time. They should finish by next June, I know the smaller one will kill less than 300kgs but other 3 will be good cattle in June.

Bought a good Simmental same day 390kgs paid over 700 by the time fees and transport they have put more weight on that him over the summer compensatary growth. I think they will leave as much as him. I have a habbit of looking at the euro saver menu.

simx

Willfarman wrote: »

I'd hate to be looking at an animal for 15 months! But point taken.

What would be the average keep length for a beast for you willfarman? I'd hate to be looking at animals that long but I see pudseys point, if at 2/3 marts per week value can be sought after, bought fr blks I'm may/June and I'll be sick of looking at them till next August/sept. So long as they are lucky and hopefully leave a few bob they'll be ok, average keep here prob 4/5 months I'd say

Willfarman

simx wrote: »

What would be the average keep length for a beast for you willfarman? I'd hate to be looking at animals that long but I see pudseys point, if at 2/3 marts per week value can be sought after, bought fr blks I'm may/June and I'll be sick of looking at them till next August/sept. So long as they are lucky and hopefully leave a few bob they'll be ok, average keep here prob 4/5 months I'd say

Keep them for 70 days to 10 months.
Try to keep em young for the nitrates. I bought 370 kg friesians in early June. Jan February 13 age. They are 460 to 500 kgs now. They will be gone by April next. Somewhere in the region of 340kg carcass. Buy a couple of batches every year like that and year on year they leave a reasonable turn.

simx

Willfarman wrote: »

Keep them for 70 days to 10 months.
Try to keep em young for the nitrates. I bought 370 kg friesians in early June. Jan February 13 age. They are 460 to 500 kgs now. They will be gone by April next. Somewhere in the region of 340kg carcass. Buy a couple of batches every year like that and year on year they leave a reasonable turn.

I have a handy bunch of blks matching that description also, will you finish out of the shed or what's your plans to have rid by April?

Farmer Pudsey

Willfarman wrote: »

Keep them for 70 days to 10 months.
Try to keep em young for the nitrates. I bought 370 kg friesians in early June. Jan February 13 age. They are 460 to 500 kgs now. They will be gone by April next. Somewhere in the region of 340kg carcass. Buy a couple of batches every year like that and year on year they leave a reasonable turn.

I no longer worry about nitrates I got a derogation done this year cost 200 euro. It is easier to have it in place than buying cattle to suit.

http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/fresian-bulls/7918884

Saw these on DD if you taught that you could get them away next May over 24 months they be worth a gamble. If they are what they say on the tin there may be a few bob in them even under 24 months depending on there birthdays, however 10 day can make a big difference to such cattle.

Squeezing them might be an option.

ellewood

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

I no longer worry about nitrates I got a derogation done this year cost 200 euro. It is easier to have it in place than buying cattle to suit.

http://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/fresian-bulls/7918884

Saw these on DD if you taught that you could get them away next May over 24 months they be worth a gamble. If they are what they say on the tin there may be a few bob in them even under 24 months depending on there birthdays, however 10 day can make a big difference to such cattle.

Squeezing them might be an option.

Pudsey - off topic I know but - Getting a derogation - Was it much bother, what did you have to do for it
Lads told me it would cost 1200, was it a private planner did it for 200 and is it 200 every year
Can ya still apply to the new Glas if in derogation
Other lads will tell you its only another excuse to inspect you and theres a greater chance of a full nitrates/cc inspection with lads in a derogation
Any other downfalls with a derogation!

Willfarman

simx wrote: »

I have a handy bunch of blks matching that description also, will you finish out of the shed or what's your plans to have rid by April?

Finish out of shed. Be going In to the shed this week on good silage and 3 kilos of barley ration. Then 4 kilos after a few weeks. Step up to twice a day feeding in jan. Up to 7 kilos and building up to 10 for the last 8 weeks. They will eat close on a tonne of meal believe it or not. But it's only 600 kgs more than it takes to store them and they only eat 2thirds the amount of forage.

simx

Willfarman wrote: »

Finish out of shed. Be going In to the shed this week on good silage and 3 kilos of barley ration. Then 4 kilos after a few weeks. Step up to twice a day feeding in jan. Up to 7 kilos and building up to 10 for the last 8 weeks. They will eat close on a tonne of meal believe it or not. But it's only 600 kgs more than it takes to store them and they only eat 2thirds the amount of forage.

What dw would you hope to achieve?

Farmer Pudsey

ellewood wrote: »

Pudsey - off topic I know but - Getting a derogation - Was it much bother, what did you have to do for it
Lads told me it would cost 1200, was it a private planner did it for 200 and is it 200 every year
Can ya still apply to the new Glas if in derogation
Other lads will tell you its only another excuse to inspect you and theres a greater chance of a full nitrates/cc inspection with lads in a derogation
Any other downfalls with a derogation!

200 euro with Teagasc am in a Teagasc Btap discussion group. Think I go a long way in doing my own next year. Will be only slightly over ( less than 10K gallons of slurry) but it is as easy and about the same cost as the value of the slurry to do it this way.

Was fairly straight forward as I had soil test done previous spring for BTAP. As far as I know if in derogation you can still apply for GLAS,

Willfarman

simx wrote: »

What dw would you hope to achieve?

I'd hope to achieve 400kg!:D but they'd be in the region of 330 to 350 kgs most years..