Squeezed Middle Scenario

JoeyJJ

So family earning 80k for example two kids one in school, one in creche. Property Owners, 1 Car, Occasional Drinkers.

How are they going to fare in 2015 in comparison to 2014?

Additional Charges:
Water chargers
Motor Tax?


Reduction:
Tax band adjustment or rate reduction
Possible Property tax reduction depending on location
Will they ever get the under 6 medical card sorted?


Not sure if they are going to do anything extra on the early education program.

What do you think?

Rightwing

Looks as if the only tax increase is on cigarettes to €10. I can't argue with that tax increase.

Larbre34

I think even the Government and their continental pay masters have realised you can't get blood from stone.

The squeezed middle will be paying water charges (should they choose to) and will get between €5-10 back a week in tax adjustments. In fact, probably no sector will see themselves much better or worse off than last year, save that water tax.

Rightwing

Larbre34 wrote: »

I think even the Government and their continental pay masters have realised you can't get blood from stone.

The squeezed middle will be paying water charges (should they choose to) and will get between €5-10 back a week in tax adjustments. In fact, probably no sector will see themselves much better or worse off than last year, save that water tax.

A little better off I would say.

They will pay water, 95% compliance with the property tax, and remember all the fuss about that.

barneystinson

Rightwing wrote: »

A little better off I would say.

They will pay water, 95% compliance with the property tax, and remember all the fuss about that.

Bear in mind that LPT was administered by Revenue, with little option not to pay since they had power to deduct from wages, social welfare etc...

By comparison IW is a toothless lame duck, so I'd be amazed if voluntary compliance exceeds 50% - 60%.

Rightwing

barneystinson wrote: »

Bear in mind that LPT was administered by Revenue, with little option not to pay since they had power to deduct from wages, social welfare etc...

By comparison IW is a toothless lame duck, so I'd be amazed if voluntary compliance exceeds 50% - 60%.

I agree, but they can reduce it your pressure etc. It will be interesting alright.

Larbre34

barneystinson wrote: »

Bear in mind that LPT was administered by Revenue, with little option not to pay since they had power to deduct from wages, social welfare etc...

By comparison IW is a toothless lame duck, so I'd be amazed if voluntary compliance exceeds 50% - 60%.

Yes indeed, and not just deducted by Revenue, it was required to for tax compliance.

Nearly everyone I have reminded in person about this immediately decided to not pay the water charges.

I'd give it 50% compliance at best, falling away in subsequent years, just like the last time it was tried.

Godge

Larbre34 wrote: »

Yes indeed, and not just deducted by Revenue, it was required to for tax compliance.

Nearly everyone I have reminded in person about this immediately decided to not pay the water charges.

I'd give it 50% compliance at best, falling away in subsequent years, just like the last time it was tried.

simple thing to do, after pressure is reduced, charge a fee for restoration, just like reconnection to the electrical grid. Most people will pay up before pressure is reduced.

Rightwing

I'd be really surprised if compliance was only in 50-60% region. But they have to get a handle on things early or punters could indeed refuse to pay en masse.

hfallada

Remember bin charges used to be "free". Then the Government tried to bill people for them and there was uproar and people even went to jail. But now everyone pays for bins and we dont think twice about it. Well in Dublin we do, as bin charges have been cheaper due to competition.

Water compliance will be extremely high in a year or two when people forget about the resistance to charges and just pay

Idbatterim

this squeezed middle is a bit convenient for the government, the vast majority of Irish people would deem themselves "the middle" and in reality here, its probably 80%+...

sarumite

hfallada wrote: »

Remember bin charges used to be "free". Then the Government tried to bill people for them and there was uproar and people even went to jail. But now everyone pays for bins and we dont think twice about it. Well in Dublin we do, as bin charges have been cheaper due to competition.

Water compliance will be extremely high in a year or two when people forget about the resistance to charges and just pay

From what I can see the majority of people who are actively complaining about water charges are those who were happier having it payed through taxation because they were paying feck all taxes anyway so this way someone else was paying for it.

Sheldons Brain

hfallada wrote: »

Remember bin charges used to be "free". Then the Government tried to bill people for them and there was uproar and people even went to jail. But now everyone pays for bins and we dont think twice about it. Well in Dublin we do, as bin charges have been cheaper due to competition.

Water compliance will be extremely high in a year or two when people forget about the resistance to charges and just pay

In a decade or two, when people look back on this period they will be incredulous that people marched so as not to pay for water they were using. They will also be incredulous that nobody marched to ensure that there were enough child cancer consultants.

murphaph

Sheldons Brain wrote: »

In a decade or two, when people look back on this period they will be incredulous that people marched so as not to pay for water they were using. They will also be incredulous that nobody marched to ensure that there were enough child cancer consultants.

The Irish and our priorities. The place could be burning down and we'd be bought off with a cent in the Euro tax reduction.