'Professionals' replaced by 'Yellow packs'

Capri

Have standards and professionalism been replaced by 'sure it'll do' yellow packs ?

There was a time when the training was thorough and you came to work to do as professional job as you were able to, if you do your job in a professional manner then it's unlikely you'll ever be in the sh1t .
But now it appears as if standards have dropped below acceptable levels, people are thrown into positions that they're not properly trained for, and when the sh1t hits the fan then a lot of people above them are running for cover . 'Chiefs permission'/CPD1 - 2 being prime examples until fatalities occur, then we all know who gets shafted :mad:

Will standards ever return or are we destined for a future of 'Sure it'll do' ?

Potential-Monke

It's not that standards have dropped, it's that management have created "Cover Your Arse" methods. That's what the job is these days, an exercise in preventing yourself from getting in trouble. It's no longer about protecting the peace, stopping crime, etc, it's about getting through the day without ending up in court as a defendant, getting fined or getting in trouble.

Well, that's my opinion anyway. Will standards ever return? Yes, they will. But not before some poor member either gets in serious bother or killed. It's always the way. They want a proactive force but it'll full of reactive policies.

What specific standards have dropped? The majority of the people I work with are professional and dedicated. They try to give 100% despite the lack of resources.

DublinWriter

Capri wrote: »

Will standards ever return or are we destined for a future of 'Sure it'll do' ?

What does the average member think of the increasing civilianisation of top garda management, including the new HRM Exec operating at A/C level? Is change expected?

Little CuChulainn

DublinWriter wrote: »

What does the average member think of the increasing civilianisation of top garda management, including the new HRM Exec operating at A/C level? Is change expected?

I would say the average member is sick of having decisions made by civilians with no operational experience. That's why the fleet is now made up of family cars and vanettes more suited to a plumber.

DublinWriter

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I would say the average member is sick of having decisions made by civilians with no operational experience. That's why the fleet is now made up of family cars and vanettes more suited to a plumber.

When exactly did civilians seed power in AGS? Noreen O'Sullivan is still D/C acting C/S.

The first Commissioner to rise from the operational ranks was William P. Quinn in 1965.

Thanks to Micheal Kinnane, the first civilian commissioner appointed in 1938 and retired in 1952, members aren't forced to live in 'barracks' until marriage.

What specifically about operational experience makes the average newly minted chief suitable to head up the IT, Legal or Organisation departments within the organisation?

DublinWriter wrote: »

When exactly did civilians seed power in AGS? Noreen O'Sullivan is still D/C acting C/S.

The first Commissioner to rise from the operational ranks was William P. Quinn in 1965.

Thanks to Micheal Kinnane, the first civilian commissioner appointed in 1938 and retired in 1952, members aren't forced to live in 'barracks' until marriage.

What specifically about operational experience makes the average newly minted chief suitable to head up the IT, Legal or Organisation departments within the organisation?

Isn't the plan to have civil insurance heading up these Department including HR.