Parthenaise cattle

Bicki85

Hi there, I am considering purchasing a Parthenaise bull, any feedback good or bad appreciated. It's all good that I've heard so far just wondering are they too good to be true ??

Dawggone

Bicki85 wrote: »

Hi there, I am considering purchasing a Parthenaise bull, any feedback good or bad appreciated. It's all good that I've heard so far just wondering are they too good to be true ??

Ex pat Galway man breeding and showing them in France with some success. Loves their temperament etc.
organic cull cows making circa €6/kg.
Pm for details.

bogman_bass

I dont really have anything bad to say about them. Have PB and crosses here. IMO will do the same job as a limo except a little bit better.

Good mate of mine who breeds limos is so impressed with them that he's started breeding Parthenaise as well so that has to be a good sign.

The one thing I'll say is that the Euro stars are out of wack with them because such a high proportion of them are PB in this country.

When reserching the pedigree have a quick look at the french figures

just do it

BB
Any bulls you recommend in particular? Having the export weanling in mind

onyerbikepat

'Legwax' wa getting into these. He might be the man to talk to.

bogman_bass

Legwax had great results from CBQ and tismesoitis swears by LRY.
I got great results from IRX but more cattle for finishing than for export. Huge growth rates but not as much muscle as some of the fancier bulls.
Hurricane gonzo looks very promising.
If buying a bull I'd be on the lookout for a son of a ta sante. His French figures are fantastic.

adne

bogman_bass wrote: »

Legwax had great results from CBQ and tismesoitis swears by LRY.
I got great results from IRX but more cattle for finishing than for export. Huge growth rates but not as much muscle as some of the fancier bulls.
Hurricane gonzo looks very promising.
If buying a bull I'd be on the lookout for a son of a ta sante. His French figures are fantastic.

Any of these suitable for heifers. Ive a few lm heifers bought in that i dont know the back breeding so instead of puttin a lm straw on them thinking of a part straw

bogman_bass

A ta sante is easy calved but only available trough the society.
Bourvil from PG probably safest bet.

TBX was great for that job but straws are like hens teeth now

Brass Tag

adne wrote: »

Any of these suitable for heifers. Ive a few lm heifers bought in that i dont know the back breeding so instead of puttin a lm straw on them thinking of a part straw

Speaking of heifers. In the past I would always select the best heifers for replacements based on appearance and knowledge of mothers milk / docility record. I would always discount the handier sized heifers even though milk / docility and heifers own general conformation might be suitable. Might discount because low sized and or maybe bit short compared to compatriots.

Now with future supposedly looking for smaller / younger finishing weights, are lads thinking of keeping heifers with less future growth potential, if same heifer is ok in terms of pelvis size and milk / docility in the back breeding?

bogman_bass

Brass Tag wrote: »

Speaking of heifers. In the past I would always select the best heifers for replacements based on appearance and knowledge of mothers milk / docility record. I would always discount the handier sized heifers even though milk / docility and heifers own general conformation might be suitable. Might discount because low sized and or maybe bit short compared to compatriots.

Now with future supposedly looking for smaller / younger finishing weights, are lads thinking of keeping heifers with less future growth potential, if same heifer is ok in terms of pelvis size and milk / docility in the back breeding?

I would always put weight and docility first personally. if they aren't there along with pelvic size then you are just looking at extra work.
Are the smaller heifers small or are they younger?

Brass Tag

bogman_bass wrote: »

I would always put weight and docility first personally. if they aren't there along with pelvic size then you are just looking at extra work.
Are the smaller heifers small or are they younger?

March calves. Small one is 30 kgs behind average of the rest. Grandmother is still in the herd. Square heifer with lovely coat of hair. Daylight underneath is her weakest point.

towzer2010

Bicki85 wrote: »

Hi there, I am considering purchasing a Parthenaise bull, any feedback good or bad appreciated. It's all good that I've heard so far just wondering are they too good to be true ??

Have a few out of BZB. One has just calved at 23 months and seems to have plenty of milk. A lot like limo but quieter. My vet did tell me last year that he had far more sections from the parthenaise than from BB or CH.

Just on something raised in a different thread I've two heifers from BZB and out of the same cow but one is 4.5 stars on icbf and the other is 3.5. Neither has calved yet. Similar situation with two off GWO from same mother. Only difference is the year.

Tyson Lannister

Towzer, I wonder would the sections be from using them on BB heifers/cows....
That said I'm going the chance bourvil on a BB heifer myself next year

bogman_bass

I've used PT on BBxFR cows but wouldnt let a straw near a blue heifer. Too risky

Tyson Lannister

What are the calves like from the bb cows for you? At the ploughing I saw the bb crowd had a pt cow with a blue calf. Talking to them they reckoned it was a great mix- max muscle with zero sections due to the PT calving ability

bogman_bass

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

What are the calves like from the bb cows?

well when I say "cows" I should say cow singular. More to calve in the spring.

She had twins and of course the better twin decideded to die on me after me halter training him and everything. :rolleyes:

The remaining calf is still a good animal and probably the best calf of the bunch but then his mammy has buckets of milk so he'd want to be

farmec1001

Agreed, the cattle can be impressive, BUT, be warned though;

Problems in PB stock:
- BAD FEET AND LEGS
- Pedigree breeders overfeeding young bulls = laminitus, bad fertility (especially breeders with large pb herds feeding pb bulls for factory)
- Small scrotal size
- and ... BAD FEET AND LEGS

No matter what the breeders guarantee you; if the breed was so good, why is it not mainstream?
I do appreciate that any bull of any breed could have the above defects but please take note.

Personnally, I would persevere with AI PT than purchasing one of these bulls

PM for more info

Tyson Lannister

I suppose it could be argued they're not as mainstream as they're relatively new to the country....?

towzer2010

Tyson Lannister wrote: »

Towzer, I wonder would the sections be from using them on BB heifers/cows....
That said I'm going the chance bourvil on a BB heifer myself next year

He didn't say.

The only trouble I had so far from BZB was because the cow was to fat.

ZGH looks interesting as well.

farmec1001

...in France, the country of origin, the breed is confined to a small region of the country
Bad points to every breed - No one breed free from problems and the best at everything

bogman_bass

farmec1001 wrote: »

Agreed, the cattle can be impressive, BUT, be warned though;

Problems in PB stock:
- BAD FEET AND LEGS
- Pedigree breeders overfeeding young bulls = laminitus, bad fertility (especially breeders with large pb herds feeding pb bulls for factory)
- Small scrotal size
- and ... BAD FEET AND LEGS

Bad feet and scotal size are easily idenifiable when purchasing a bull. A faulty bull is a faulty bull no mater the breed

AS for the overfeeding: I think most breeds have breeders guilty of that. I dont think Parthenaise breeders are any better or worse.

leg wax

yes i have my own stock bull and i am very happy with him,i bought him to breed my own replacements ,the heifers are what i want only for 1 problem, they are very,very nervous, and have now turned out to be no good for what i wanted them for,they are in fact dangerous,now i put this down to solely 1 problem that i have and not the bull,its my cows, 3/4 bred lims and pd lims,my cows are hard to handle at the best of times but this cross has brought out the fire,i have super calves of the bb and blonde cows and they are fine but off my red lims ,put it to you this way my collecting yard has 5 foot walls,and the heifer calves under the cows can clear them without touching them.i have seen parthenaise cattle in other herds and there is no problems, now looking back my bb weanlings from the same cows were very nervous as well,so its my cows,the part bull is a brill cross for blue cows,easy calving ,hardy sucks,they are ahead of the lims on conformation and growth i would say,my own spring born calves have not done well this year and i cant figure out why, 4 got scour and i would have been better off if they had not made it, i have 9 calves that will not be ready for sale in jan /feb as they have just not thrived ,and with all the good weather.op what breed of cows have you, what market are you aiming for with the parthenaise.farmec1001 i think you have either bought a bad bull and got into truble with him or you have a other motive for your overrated warning about the breed, new poster i dont like this sort of thing from.

onyerbikepat

leg wax wrote: »

....

So, where to now? Are you getting rid of the Parth bull?
Have you tried any other Parth bulls in AI? Maybe your bull is just a poor line foor docility.

leg wax

onyerbikepat wrote: »

So, where to now? Are you getting rid of the Parth bull?
Have you tried any other Parth bulls in AI? Maybe your bull is just a poor line foor docility.

getting out of sucklers at the moment,and yes i have used other bulls in ai, cbq ,bzb,the bull has now gone with 20 heifers that were bucket reared.

Bullocks

leg wax wrote: »

yes i have my own stock bull and i am very happy with him,i bought him to breed my own replacements ,the heifers are what i want only for 1 problem, they are very,very nervous, and have now turned out to be no good for what i wanted them for,they are in fact dangerous,now i put this down to solely 1 problem that i have and not the bull,its my cows, 3/4 bred lims and pd lims,my cows are hard to handle at the best of times but this cross has brought out the fire,i have super calves of the bb and blonde cows and they are fine but off my red lims ,put it to you this way my collecting yard has 5 foot walls,and the heifer calves under the cows can clear them without touching them.i have seen parthenaise cattle in other herds and there is no problems, now looking back my bb weanlings from the same cows were very nervous as well,so its my cows,the part bull is a brill cross for blue cows,easy calving ,hardy sucks,they are ahead of the lims on conformation and growth i would say,my own spring born calves have not done well this year and i cant figure out why, 4 got scour and i would have been better off if they had not made it, i have 9 calves that will not be ready for sale in jan /feb as they have just not thrived ,and with all the good weather.op what breed of cows have you, what market are you aiming for with the parthenaise.farmec1001 i think you have either bought a bad bull and got into truble with him or you have a other motive for your overrated warning about the breed, new poster i dont like this sort of thing from.

I noticed that some of the parths we had were pretty flighty aswell , more so than lims off the same cows . One of them almost made it into the auctioneers box at the mart ! Now my cattle wouldn't be handled too often and I'd say if they were they mightn't have been as lively .
I thought they were a nice growthy animal from aax cows and performed better than lims or blues from the same kinda cow

connormi

leg wax wrote: »

getting out of sucklers at the moment,and yes i have used other bulls in ai, cbq ,bzb,the bull has now gone with 20 heifers that were bucket reared.

What breed are the bucket reared heifers. Would parthenaise be ok to use on aax bucket reared heifers would be 2 and halfs calving. Would hopefully put a bit shape in calves. Have a few that I was going to AI.

How would you compare the partnenaise to blonde. You said blonde cows bred good with parthenaise. Would blonde have been better replacements temperament wise so.

patsy_mccabe

Clearance Sale
https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/parthenaise-clearance-sale-8th-december/14031709?campaign=3

croot

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Clearance Sale
https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/parthenaise-clearance-sale-8th-december/14031709?campaign=3

Interesting. More details on this site soon

http://www.parthenaise.ie/animals---embryos-for-sale---wanted.html

Bicki85

I purchased bull last april has calves on ground nowm calved down very very easy. Good growth. Hes €129 maternal and €144terminal so thats a nice bonus. Some calves nicer than others. First of them were born end january so time will tell.

Hard Knocks

That's great news
Do you have any pics

Bicki85

Must get a few up this evening. Only gave him to heifers . Hes wit 40 this year now anyway.