ISIS Supporters attack Kurdish Protestors in Hamburg

BobbyPropane

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c1a_1412771947

Thought it was Turkey when I first glimpsed at this, but no this **** is happening in Germany at the Turkish embassy. It's interesting how these people (hopefully a minority of the Muslims in Germany) still hold their extreme beliefs and can support such ****e.

joe swanson

This is where eu membership holds countries back. These animals should rounded up and jailed for life or thrown out.

Turks and Kurds kinda have a whole historical "thing" unrelated to ISIS.
There's not a whole lot to do with EU membership that would prevent the Polizei from tracking down those involved in the violence either.

Turtwig

Isis are masters of propaganda. They're quite savvy with all manners of social media. It's not surprising they'll have domestic support in western nations. What's surprising is how shtty our attempts have been to dispel this propaganda. You don't try censor it, you debunk it.

EyeSight

Turtwig wrote: »

Isis are masters of propaganda. They're quite savvy with all manners of social media. It's not surprising they'll have domestic support in western nations. What's surprising is how shtty our attempts have been to dispel this propaganda. You don't try censor it, you debunk it.

But in our world of sensationalized click-bait media, this will never happen. ISIS are using that to their advantage

thee glitz

Turtwig wrote: »

Isis are masters of propaganda. They're quite savvy with all manners of social media. It's not surprising they'll have domestic support in western nations. What's surprising is how shtty our attempts have been to dispel this propaganda. You don't try censor it, you debunk it.

The Israelis are cute enough too.

Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook

DeadHand

This may be more Kurds angry at Turkish inaction having a go at the Turkish embassy and possibly being counter attacked by Turkish nationalists than an "ISIS supporters" vs Kurds thing. Big populations of both Turks and Kurds in Germany

Anyone have anything more solid?

Who are these Kurds fighting? Openly pro ISIS radicals or Turkish nationalists?

Fiery mutant

I don't think debunking is gonna have any effect. It be like trying to explain quantum physics to a 5 year old, they just wouldn't understand.

These ISIS nut jobs are a threat to everyone at the minute, they need to be put down, like the dogs that they are.

Nodin

BobbyPropane wrote: »

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c1a_1412771947

Thought it was Turkey when I first glimpsed at this, but no this **** is happening in Germany at the Turkish embassy. It's interesting how these people (hopefully a minority of the Muslims in Germany) still hold their extreme beliefs and can support such ****e.

Where are you getting the "pro IS" thing from, other than the heading on the video?

Karl Stein

Here is the training video western military planners use when forming policy on ISIS.

Snake Plisken

Nodin wrote: »

Where are you getting the "pro IS" thing from, other than the heading on the video?

What's to say it's not?

KungPao

They would be all chucked out of Germany if weren't for the Germans' dependence on the kebabs.

They love a good döner, those Gerries.

Snake Plisken

A bit more info http://mobile.todayszaman.com/national_kurdish-led-kobani-protests-spread-to-europe_361057.html

LordNorbury

BobbyPropane wrote: »

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c1a_1412771947

Thought it was Turkey when I first glimpsed at this, but no this **** is happening in Germany at the Turkish embassy. It's interesting how these people (hopefully a minority of the Muslims in Germany) still hold their extreme beliefs and can support such ****e.

Gather them up, stick them into a Chinook, give them each a parachute & drop them off the rear ramp into their so called Islamic State.

Augmerson

The Turks have been waging a war against the Kurds for decades and winning, thanks in part to funding from the US - who also say **** all about the ugly conflict. The Kurds want their own nation and part of that nation would exist on territory claimed by Turkey. That's a no no for the Turkish government. So yeah the Turks and Kurds wouldn't be best friends.

KungPao

Augmerson wrote: »

The Turks have been waging a war against the Kurds for decades and winning, thanks in part to funding from the US - who also say **** all about the ugly conflict. The Kurds want their own nation and part of that nation would exist on territory claimed by Turkey. That's a no no for the Turkish government. So yeah the Turks and Kurds wouldn't be best friends.

They could could become one nation and then be friends, no?

Kurdturkeystan?
Turkurdistan(ey)?

Smiles35

Snake Plisken wrote: »

A bit more info http://mobile.todayszaman.com/national_kurdish-led-kobani-protests-spread-to-europe_361057.html

Saw a bit on that earlier. Kobani is on the border with Turkey and surounded on all sides by ISIS.

Augmerson

KungPao wrote: »

They could could become one nation and then be friends, no?

Kurdturkeystan?
Turkurdistan(ey)?

Probably not. Upwards of 30,000 people were killed during the conflict between the Kurdistani PKK and the Turkish military with martial law declared in those regions and foreigners banned from traveling to the areas. Thousands of villages were destroyed and flattened and the countryside evacuated. The Kurds have revolted against Turkish rule many many times throughout history.

The whole struggle probably looks a lot like Irish independence from the UK but on a level of death and destruction not since here since the Cromwellian conquest.

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Fiery mutant wrote: »

I don't think debunking is gonna have any effect. It be like trying to explain quantum physics to a 5 year old, they just wouldn't understand.

This attitude gets us nowhere

Fiery mutant wrote: »

These ISIS nut jobs are a threat to everyone at the minute, they need to be put down, like the dogs that they are.

Yep, but without creating more nutjobs in the process

Nodin

Snake Plisken wrote: »

What's to say it's not?

Because its sensationalist and seems rather unlikely. What did occur was a group of Kurds and a group of Wahabis beating the crap out of each other.

Streetwalker

Just seems like a few thugs with bottles and knives hardly a representative of the muslim community in Germany. Still I suppose the millions of peaceful Muslims sitting at home will be pigeonholed as all mad head chopping terrorists.

old_aussie

Those good muslims sitting at home are just like the good Germans sitting at home leading up to WW2, insignificant through lack of action, and we all know how WW2 turned out for the good Germans.

If the good muslims don't start to do something about this type of extremist shet happening then it could turn out the same for them.

Streetwalker

old_aussie wrote: »

Those good muslims sitting at home are just like the good Germans sitting at home leading up to WW2, insignificant through lack of action, and we all know how WW2 turned out for the good Germans.

If the good muslims don't start to do something about this type of extremist shet happening then it could turn out the same for them.

What would you suggest they do? Serious question.

Franticfrank

The people attacking the Kurds in Hamburg were not Isis supporters, they were Turks. Some over-dramatic and plainly wrong journalism allowed that story get out of hand.

Egginacup

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I don't think debunking is gonna have any effect. It be like trying to explain quantum physics to a 5 year old, they just wouldn't understand.

These ISIS nut jobs are a threat to everyone at the minute, they need to be put down, like the dogs that they are.

What....like Al-Qaeda? Like The Taliban? Like The Sunni Awakening? Like The Al-Quds Brigade? Like Boko Haram?

This ISIS crew are just another creation of the CIA trained in Georgia and Turkey, unleashed in Libya and are now running amok in Iraq and Syria.

So they chop off a few heads and people have a meltdown and call for airstrikes all over the world. The Pentagon must love these ISIS (do they even call themselves that?) guys. A few beheadings accomplished what no amount of bogus warnings from John Kerry about Assad gassing his people or hare-brained colour-coded "terror" alerts.

brummytom

old_aussie wrote: »

Those good muslims sitting at home are just like the good Germans sitting at home leading up to WW2, insignificant through lack of action, and we all know how WW2 turned out for the good Germans.

If the good muslims don't start to do something about this type of extremist shet happening then it could turn out the same for them.

What can they do? They're as responsible for the actions of ISIS as Christians are for those of the KKK. It's a minority of extremists, not representative of the vast majority of Muslims in any way.

inforfun

Really the best thing that ISIS supporters living in Europe can do is what this "Dutch" ISIS supporter did

Go join them and burn your Dutch (or any other Western European) passport.

But the good old Dutch government has decided to try to stop them from travelling to that part of the world. The better solution would be to make sure they cant come back.

Sunnyisland

It's not only Muslem extremists who act with brutality,

Soldiers searching for dozens of students missing after clashes with police at a demonstration in southern Mexico have found a mass grave full of bodies too burned or disfigured to be identified, officials said.
The mass murder near the rural town of Iguala, in the crime-hot state of Guerrero, may be one of the worst massacres since the clampdown on Mexico’s drugs gangs began eight years ago, and suspicion has fallen on local police links to a gang known as Guerrero Unido.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article4228508.ece


Not forgetting the common be headings and torture of victims that happen there.

Fratton Fred

Egginacup wrote: »

What....like Al-Qaeda? Like The Taliban? Like The Sunni Awakening? Like The Al-Quds Brigade? Like Boko Haram?

This ISIS crew are just another creation of the CIA trained in Georgia and Turkey, unleashed in Libya and are now running amok in Iraq and Syria.

So they chop off a few heads and people have a meltdown and call for airstrikes all over the world. The Pentagon must love these ISIS (do they even call themselves that?) guys. A few beheadings accomplished what no amount of bogus warnings from John Kerry about Assad gassing his people or hare-brained colour-coded "terror" alerts.

You can say this as often as you like, it will never be true.

FTA69

Islamic Jihad are the creation of the CIA? I've heard it all now.

BoJack Horseman

FTA69 wrote: »

Islamic Jihad are the creation of the CIA? I've heard it all now.

Didn't you know?

Everything bad is America's fault.

BeerWolf

Fiery mutant wrote: »

I don't think debunking is gonna have any effect. It be like trying to explain quantum physics to a 5 year old, they just wouldn't understand.

These ISIS nut jobs are a threat to everyone at the minute, they need to be put down, like the dogs that they are.

Oi, don't you be insulting dogs... :mad:

Nodin

Egginacup wrote: »

What....like Al-Qaeda? Like The Taliban? Like The Sunni Awakening? Like The Al-Quds Brigade? Like Boko Haram?

This ISIS crew are just another creation of the CIA trained in Georgia and Turkey, unleashed in Libya and are now running amok in Iraq and Syria.

.............

Go wayoutta that.

entropi

LordNorbury wrote: »

Gather them up, stick them into a Chinook, give them each a parachute & drop them off the rear ramp into their so called Islamic State.

Dropping them in to the North Sea would be a better option.

Even acknowledging them by calling them ISIS or I.S. or a caliphate state etc gives them an idea of legitimacy. Stopping this is one step that should be taken, that and bombing the crap out of them. I'd happily see a return of napalm strikes if it was to be used on those extremist idiots.

purplepanda

Was asked by a Istanbul taxi driver were there many Turks in London, told him there was many & plenty of Kurds too.

He replied that under the Turkish constitution that there are only Turks, Greeks & Jews who are legally recognised & so Kurds don't exist :pac:

I think it's only Turkey & France who refused to sign the Euro treaty on regional minority rights, from what I read online a while back. :eek:

DeadHand

purplepanda wrote: »

Was asked by a Istanbul taxi driver were there many Turks in London, told him there was many & plenty of Kurds too.

He replied that under the Turkish constitution that there are only Turks, Greeks & Jews who are legally recognised & so Kurds don't exist :pac:

I think it's only Turkey & France who refused to sign the Euro treaty on regional minority rights, from what I read online a while back. :eek:

What's a "Euro treaty"?

If you mean an EU treaty, how could Turkey sign it?

BlutendeRabe

purplepanda wrote: »

I think it's only Turkey & France who refused to sign the Euro treaty on regional minority rights, from what I read online a while back. :eek:

Both states would believe strongly in cultural & social homogeneity. An example from France would be their stance on regional languages and dialects such as Breton - its French policy to actively discourage its use or promotion.

Turkey would associate concepts like minority rights & multiculturalism with the Ottoman Empire. Ataturk and his supporters would've viewed the former Empire as a bastion of corruption and decadence which led to its downfall and the subsequent ignominy of Allied occupation.

Son Of A Vidic

BobbyPropane wrote: »

It's interesting how these people (hopefully a minority of the Muslims in Germany) still hold their extreme beliefs and can support such ****e.

I wouldn't offend ordinary, decent muslims by calling ISIS muslim. Their warped ideology has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with hate.

DeadHand

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I wouldn't offend ordinary, decent muslims by calling ISIS muslim. Their warped ideology has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with hate.

It's also true that the vast majority of their victims have been Muslim and the overwhelming bulk of those on the ground resisting ISIS fiercely are themselves Muslims. ISIS is more imminent a threat to Muslim civilisation than it is to Western civilisation.

But to say ISIS has nothing to do with Islam is untrue and does no one any favours. They adhere to and propagate a narrow, murderous interpretation of Islam condemned by all right thinking Muslims everywhere. But it is an interpretation of Islam nonetheless. ISIS ideology has it's roots in Islam. To claim otherwise is wishful thinking, willful blindness.

The solution to ISIS when/if it comes will need to come from within the Muslim world.

purplepanda

DeadHand wrote: »

What's a "Euro treaty"?

If you mean an EU treaty, how could Turkey sign it?

Council of Europe predates the EU http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=council+of+europe&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=Ww84VOmPD9Oq8weP2IH4DA

Putin

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Didn't you know?

Everything bad is America's fault.

Noob has brain cells.

smurfjed

Egginacup wrote: »

What....like Al-Qaeda? Like The Taliban? Like The Sunni Awakening? Like The Al-Quds Brigade? Like Boko Haram?

This ISIS crew are just another creation of the CIA trained in Georgia and Turkey, unleashed in Libya and are now running amok in Iraq and Syria.

So they chop off a few heads and people have a meltdown and call for airstrikes all over the world. The Pentagon must love these ISIS (do they even call themselves that?) guys. A few beheadings accomplished what no amount of bogus warnings from John Kerry about Assad gassing his people or hare-brained colour-coded "terror" alerts.

So what is YOUR solution?

Minjor

Theres no place for these sympathizers in civilized democracies. They should be deported back to the countries with the repressive lifestyle they are clearly fans of.