Isis Beheadings faked

shanered

http://fullist.co.uk/2014/10/naomi-wolf-condemned-speaking-mind-whos-right/

Journalist Naoimi Wolf doubts the Isis beheadings were faked, they could be for many reasons, although they do serve a purpose to bait the US and allies into a conflict which will cost them hugely economically at least if the get involved, or maybe it is a set up by the US for an excuse to go in and topple Assad.

What are your takes on it?

I for one think she is right to doubt the credibility of the tapes.

cdoherty86

Well, they have PSYOP written all over them. You don't see the head severed and you don't see any blood when the masked man in video is cutting the neck of victim. There were of course beheadings in Syria, but by the FSA who Saudis/US/UK are funding, they don't want you to see those videos.

A year prior to the release of these videos, Cameron lost a commons vote on using military action against Syria mostly due to public protests against it.

Same story with Obama, couldn't get support of American public behind him.

But since these videos emerged, there's overwhelming support for intervention so I'm in no doubt as to what their intended purpose was and who's behind them. The same people that released these videos also just happened to release the Bin Laden tapes..

Current bombing of Syria is just Libya 2.0 and we see what happened to Libya, it's a complete mess. There's no democracy, no freedom, it's just one huge pile of rubble, death and destruction thanks to criminals running the western world.

Two Tone from Limehouse

cdoherty86 wrote: »

Well, they have PSYOP written all over them. You don't see the head severed and you don't see any blood when the masked man in video is cutting the neck of victim. There were of course beheadings in Syria, but by the FSA who Saudis/US/UK are funding, they don't want you to see those videos.

A year prior to the release of these videos, Cameron lost a commons vote on using military action against Syria mostly due to public protests against it.

Same story with Obama, couldn't get support of American public behind him.

But since these videos emerged, there's overwhelming support for intervention so I'm in no doubt as to what their intended purpose was and who's behind them. The same people that released these videos also just happened to release the Bin Laden tapes..

Current bombing of Syria is just Libya 2.0 and we see what happened to Libya, it's a complete mess. There's no democracy, no freedom, it's just one huge pile of rubble, death and destruction thanks to criminals running the western world.

Oh for God's sake! It's attitudes like yours that really drive me insane. Blame the West even thought these ISIL scum are barbaric and murfering Muslims and Westerners. Grow up

Brown Bomber

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Oh for God's sake! It's attitudes like yours that really drive me insane. Blame the West even thought these ISIL scum are barbaric and murfering Muslims and Westerners. Grow up

Yes! Someone think of the babies on the Kuwaiti hospital floors! Down with ISIS, Saddam, The Commies, The Viet Cong etc...

cdoherty86

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

Oh for God's sake! It's attitudes like yours that really drive me insane. Blame the West even thought these ISIL scum are barbaric and murfering Muslims and Westerners. Grow up

Tone down the melodrama, please.

Torakx

ISIS is just another symbol for gullible people to rally against.
It's really obvious after you see this happen over and over again.
Who came up with ISIS and when?
It sounds like one of those bad guy groups like cobra from those GI Joe cartoons. Go Go gadget media programming!

It seems almost like a long term NLP anchoring mechanism. Which is interesting indeed ^^
Programming millions of peoples minds over decades, is quite a project.

Donnielighto

Wouldn't the internet and people on the ground debunk these rather quickly. If the beheadings are faked then what about the beheading victims, what happens to them?

Torakx

I think the topic of whether they are fake of not is a little of an aside. I don't think the beheadings themselves matter as much as the work behind the scenes and what will happen when the US and friends invade another country for resources and a new market to exploit.

I haven't watched them and I haven't watched the older ones years ago either. They could be very real and still a conspiracy by the US and co.
Just pay a crazy amount of money or guns to some poor people you want to invade, tell them lies or whatever(as long as you get good media coverage for your story), get them to kill a few americans and europeans and you have the basis for a full scale invasion anywhere you want.

On top of that, once you go and invade, the people of that country will naturally try to defend themselves, which can be covered on the news as terrorism against an invading army( lol?) and so gives more reason for them to kill more people.
The other respeonse of doing nothing against the invasion is as bad.
I feel sorry for those poor countries being targeted.
Maybe they should just lie down and be a slave like the rest of us in the west?

degrassinoel

cdoherty86 wrote: »

Tone down the melodrama, please.

Next time you see "melodrama", report it, dont add to it.

enno99

Donnielighto wrote: »

Wouldn't the internet and people on the ground debunk these rather quickly. If the beheadings are faked then what about the beheading victims, what happens to them?

Foley murder video 'may have been staged'

The clip, which apparently depicts Mr Foley’s brutal beheading, has been widely seen as a propaganda coup for Islamic State miltant group.

But a study of the four-minute 40-second clip, carried out by an international forensic science company which has worked for police forces across Britain, suggested camera trickery and slick post-production techniques appear to have been used.

One expert commissioned to examine the footage was reported as saying: “I think it has been staged. My feeling is that the execution may have happened after the camera was stopped.”

However the company, which requested anonymity, did not reach a definitive answer.

It concluded: “No one is disputing that at some point an execution occurred.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardner/11054488/Foley-murder-video-may-have-been-staged.html

cdoherty86

Donnielighto wrote: »

Wouldn't the internet and people on the ground debunk these rather quickly. If the beheadings are faked then what about the beheading victims, what happens to them?

That's a good question.

They may be setup with a new identity much like a witness protection program in America works. The world's a big place, plenty of places to hide.

I'm not disputing beheadings take place because of course they do happen.
Those we've been allowed to see on TV are most likely staged in order to rally public support for military intervention in Syria which the majority of UK/US public didn't want a year ago, but now they do.

The SITE Intelligence Group responsible for publishing the Sotloff beheading claimed the video was found on "a file-sharing site"

Beano

cdoherty86 wrote: »

That's a good question.

They may be setup with a new identity much like a witness protection program in America works. The world's a big place, plenty of places to hide.

Which would imply that the 'victims' were in cahoots with ISIS. thats a ridiculous notion.

cdoherty86

Beano wrote: »

Which would imply that the 'victims' were in cahoots with ISIS. thats a ridiculous notion.

We're presuming they're dead, Beano.

If they were in cahoots, obviously they wouldn't be dead, would they?
How is it 'ridiculous' in your opinion? Because the UK/US government PR people told you?

Extremists are not shy about showing you the whole horrific act, they don't care if it upsets you, that's the whole point. Terror tactics.

Mexican gangs use chainsaws and machetes against their enemies.

By the way, can you explain why America isn't outraged by Saudi Arabia beheading dozens of people every month?

Why aren't US/UK invading Saudi Arabia? I don't expect a coherent answer but give it your best shot.

Beano

cdoherty86 wrote: »

We're presuming they're dead, Beano.

If they were in cahoots, obviously they wouldn't be dead, would they?
How is it 'ridiculous' in your opinion? Because the UK/US government PR people told you?

Extremists are not shy about showing you the whole horrific act, they don't care if it upsets you, that's the whole point. Terror tactics.

Mexican gangs use chainsaws and machetes against their enemies.

By the way, can you explain why America isn't outraged by Saudi Arabia beheading dozens of people every month?

Why aren't US/UK invading Saudi Arabia? I don't expect a coherent answer but give it your best shot.

what the saudis do is irrelevant. dont drag this off topic.

lets take this to its logical conclusion shall we? So these people who were 'beheaded' are in cahoots with ISIS. They have agreed to this mock execution, to live the rest of their lives under an assumed identity, to put their families through immense pain and suffering and they do all this to further the aims of a muslim terror group. Does that sound like the reasonable actions of an english taxi driver who wasnt a muslim? Or is it more likely that ISIS are a bunch of murdering terrorists who havent quite mastered final cut pro?

On the balance of probabilities which do you think is more likely?

TBH i find it sickening that you would use the pain and suffering of the victims and their families to lend credence to your paranoid delusions.

cdoherty86

Beano wrote: »

what the saudis do is irrelevant. dont drag this off topic.

It's not irrelevant. You can disregard reality if that makes you feel more comfortable but the fact is, US/UK are allied with a nation that beheads people on a regular basis for reasons we would not tolerate in any other nation.

Yet, you will see Prince Charles being wined and dined by the Saudi royal family making arms deals, Barack Obama bowing to the King and never see any a single piece of news critical of this hypocrisy.

28 pages of a 9/11 report linking the Saudis to that atrocity were redacted and you're not asking why?

It's all relevant but you'd prefer to ignore it.

lets take this to its logical conclusion shall we? So these people who were 'beheaded' are in cahoots with ISIS. They have agreed to this mock execution, to live the rest of their lives under an assumed identity, to put their families through immense pain and suffering and they do all this to further the aims of a muslim terror group. Does that sound like the reasonable actions of an english taxi driver who wasnt a muslim? Or is it more likely that ISIS are a bunch of murdering terrorists who havent quite mastered final cut pro?

On the balance of probabilities which do you think is more likely?

I don't know if those men are dead or not. We're presuming they're deceased because we've been shown a video of them making a speech before having their head severed.

I stated in my first post, there was no public support for military intervention in Syria a year ago. Cameron lost the commons vote and Obama was rejected by congress. Since these videos emerged, US/UK are bombing Syrian infrastructure with full approval by people like yourself.

The first attempt at support for bombing Syria was based on use of Chemical weapons which we now know were supplied by Saudi Arabia to the rebels.

Obama was cornered by some people over this issue (red line statement he didn't even make) and Putin bailed him out by having the Syrians decommission their weapons. Then of course Ukraine faux revolution occurred dividing US/EU and Russia.

TBH i find it sickening that you would use the pain and suffering of the victims and their families to lend credence to your paranoid delusions.

What's really sickening, Beano is people like yourself denying the real reasons for destroying Syria. It was in the process of slowly moving towards a more secular society and now that looks highly unlikely. It will simply become another failed state like Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.

You have a disposition UK/US are fighting for freedom of Islamic people, just like we were fighting for freedom of Libyans, Iraqis, Afghans and various other Islamic nations that are now a total mess.

On the one hand you ignore atrocities committed by regimes in Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia because they appear to be allied with UK/US and on the other you believe UK/US are destroying Syria to free Syrian people.

We can talk about energy/financial interests in the region being a motivating factor but don't tell me they're being bombed and shot so Syrians can have a better life. That's nonsense and you know it.