Round Nose Subsonic .22LR...Am i missing or are they passing through?

1shot16

Well,

I got a box of .22lr subsonic round noise as there was no Hollow Points :mad:

Went shooting today...

first shot i went for a magpie at 100 yards and have practiced at this range with subs alot...to my disgusted i missed...or did I

Second shot was at 20 yards...this got me thinking how could i miss a magpie at this range when i can put hole through hole!Are the Solid's just going straight through causing little damage and wounding the bird?

Varmint Shooter

Hollow points for hunting. Round nose for paper.

clivej

I only used round nose for both hunting and target. Head shot plenty of rabbits up to 135y.
If you hit a rabbit/crow/magpie in the correct place then you will kill it, end of story, no matter what your using. You need to hit something solid like bone to get the hollow rounds to expand.

I wasn't out rabbit shooting for a while now, and I'm getting through about 6,000 + rounds a year.

Varmint Shooter

clivej wrote: »

I only used round nose for both hunting and target. Head shot plenty of rabbits up to 135y.
If you hit a rabbit/crow/magpie in the correct place then you will kill it, end of story, no matter what your using. You need to hit something solid like bone to get the hollow rounds to expand.

I wasn't out rabbit shooting for a while now, and I'm getting through about 6,000 + rounds a year.

Looking at your video on utube, that you got so much stick over, I reckon I'll stick with my own advice

Big difference between shooting paper targets & rabbits.

cookimonster

1shot16,
I would stick to hollowpoint ammo for hunting. I have experienced low and standard velocity solid ammo doing minimal damage with centre of mass shots on crows and magpies, with birds surviving the initial hit. Some birds where crippled with exit wounds damaging a wing, while the chest had a through and through.

IMO a LV hollowpoint will dump enough energy into the target to kill it even if it doesn't fragment, I have recovered very few decent sized bullet fragments from rabbits over the years shot with LV hollowpoint. Chest, neck and head shots are dense enough to cause devastating expansion.

For a sh*ts and giggles try something like Federal bulk HV on an empty coke can, you'll think your missing shot after shot because those rnd nose suckers will pass through that alloy as if it wasn't there, the can won't move. Not enough resistance from either the round or Target. If the round passes through with little resistance ie bone, cartilage or dense tissue very little energy is lost into the wound, causing less damage.

oldtart

1shot16 wrote: »

Well,

I got a box of .22lr subsonic round noise as there was no Hollow Points :mad:

Went shooting today...

first shot i went for a magpie at 100 yards and have practiced at this range with subs alot...to my disgusted i missed...or did I

Second shot was at 20 yards...this got me thinking how could i miss a magpie at this range when i can put hole through hole!Are the Solid's just going straight through causing little damage and wounding the bird?

I've shot magpies with CCI Standard and CCI Subs, both seem to finish the job, both have 72 ft lbs of energy at 100 yards. Surely even if it went through they wouldn't fly too far, and you'd see them crash landing.

dodderangler

Have shot magpies with .22 subs and went straight through and only ever seen one fly off and drop 20 or so yards after. Normally they'd drop on the spot.
I'd say you missed man.
Fair fcuks for going out shooting in that weather today mate. Havint seen this much rain in one day in ages.

Ziggieire

clivej wrote: »

You need to hit something solid like bone to get the hollow rounds to expand..

Not true. Standard cci subs will mushroom in just under an inch in ballistics medium

extremetaz

You missed dude, no way maggie lives otherwise. Round nose or HP makes no difference in that equation.

100m cold shot on a 3" target with a field 22LR on stock ammo though... that's a pot luck shot for anyone who doesn't know their ballistics, their rifle, and how to read the environmentals to perfection.

As to the 20m shot, you may just have misjudged your drop, bullet is still rising at that range so you'd have to aim high; more likely though you just need to calm your mind a bit before squeezing the trigger - 10:1 you're rushing the shot - perfectly normal thing to do when you're just getting started in fieldwork.

Stalk closer and keep practicing, slow your shot, if the prey moves it moves, don't rush just for the sake of getting the shot off - shoot when you're ready to shoot and only when you're ready to shoot, not before.

1shot16

oldtart wrote: »

Surely even if it went through they wouldn't fly too far, and you'd see them crash landing.

Id say they made it into the ditch!

dodderangler wrote: »

Fair fcuks for going out shooting in that weather today mate. Havint seen this much rain in one day in ages.

First time ina month i even got the chance to get out due to boarding school and it being lc year...had to be done was soaked to the bone!

Will be using stingers on them tomorrow...then well see :pac:

wirehairmax

You missed, pure and simple.

yubabill1

It's very possible for these birds to take a straight-on chest shot and fly away seemingly without impediment (to the untrained eye).

They will succumb sometime, somewhere, but not within eyeball.

It's also possible the shooter missed.

Even with Stingers, I found best results with a shot following an imaginary line from wing-fold tip to wing-fold tip, or "shoulder" to "shoulder" as the bullet contacts bone and cartilage on its journey. They don't even move with this shot, just fall as they sat.

Crows, magpies, pigeons don't have enough mass to reliably allow HV bullets to expand and even subs - which frag much more easily - don't reliably kill without good placement.

Found 17HMR very good medicine for these guys, though. Pity the ammo is so expensive here.

1shot16

wirehairmax wrote: »

You missed, pure and simple.

Went out today again and got a crow...didnt move more than 5ftt with the solid nose subs...must of missed the two magpies :eek:

wirehairmax

1shot16 wrote: »

Went out today again and got a crow...didnt move more than 5ftt with the solid nose subs...must of missed the two magpies :eek:[/



Obviously

Zxthinger

I've seen crows and magpies take a hit and fly off! Some dropping within a few min and others landing in trees and sitting there for 30min or more.

Shot them with 22lr and 22wmr and they still managed to fly off! I know they were shot either because I'd find blood or egg or lots of downy feathers! Magpies are tough little feck.!

I'm real interested in getting a 17cal for these pests!
But I have never seen one walk away from the 22swift! Lol
They just go to peices! And I'm hitting them all the way out to 500yards regularly although the explosive send off drops after 300yards.

I just got a permission that gives me 800yds with an odd rabbit at that range!. The range finder wont go the distance so I made a map using OS data and have it on the phone! I simple measure the distance out on autoCAD app on iPhone to a well defined feature and guesstimate the variations (plus or minis)

So I'll let ye know if any magpies are flying off at that distance! Lol

1shot16

Shot a crow a sunday nd definatly hit it as it healed back and then to my disgust flew off...his friend 2 mins later was turned inside out with a stinger at 30 yards

Never using solid points again!

k31

To be honest I think you probably missed. This could be down to the fact that the solids you are using have a different point of impact to the hollow points you normally use. Always a good idea to re check your scope on paper if you change brands before shooting at live quarry.

1shot16

Checked poi was the same as hp....im sure i hit the last crow as it healed back then fly away after a few hopps