cost of sheep fencing

derferjam

Does anyone know is 7.50m for sheep wire and single strange wire put up is a good price

tomwaterford

bit on steep side I would think

how far apart are the stakes/are they cersoted??


the absolute cheapest I could do it was e1.80 a meter using 32inch wire and (with small bottom squares) and larch stakes and old ESB poles for strainers all work done by hand (digging in strainers and driving stakes)
got cousin who used work at fencing for 15+ years to give a hand...paid in dinner/repairs to his van



I will say that if you cant put it up right yourself...get someone in to do it...as there is nothing worse looking/more in effective than badly put up sheepwire

derferjam

I have 547m to do and it has to match all the grant reg. so the job has to be done by a registered fencer and the stakes have to be creasut treated stakes.

tomwaterford

derferjam wrote: »

I have 547m to do and it has to match all the grant reg. so the job has to be done by a registered fencer and the stakes have to be creasut treated stakes.

I think I looked into the fenceing and the grant at the time was 25% upto e5.94 a metre and best I could get it in at was e6 a metre on a straight streth...which was close enough I suppoise

though I had a curved bit...that was going to come to crazy money to do correct and with grant spec materials and I got 5 esb poles off a neighbour for nothing so went with that

so if your fencing has a lot of bends/corners etc and is done correctly I suppose its not too bad....so many varibles:o

paddysdream

derferjam wrote: »

Does anyone know is 7.50m for sheep wire and single strange wire put up is a good price

How long is a piece of string?

Sounds a little on the high side but;

How much work ie 100m or 1000m ?
Straight run or lots of bends ie extra strainers? Many people don't realise that to do it right you may put strainers on all the turns.
Assuming ht wire but is it 8 80 15 or different ?
How many propped strainers? People forget these take time ie propping and tying the wire plus strainer and two stakes.
Is single strand plain or barbed.?If plain is it being insulated and are they using cheap or good insul tube and eggs.
How many if any gateways?
Whats the ground like ?Is it level or uneven ?
Dividing fields or by a ditch?
Whats the ground like to drive stakes ?Full of rock means lots of grief/Too wet means bogging and messing.
What sort of stakes and strainers?Cresoted or pressure treated?
What size and lenght of stake and strainer?5ft/6ft 3 to 4 inch or 4 inch or different stake.8 ft or 9 ft strainer?
How far apart are stakes?Is it for field division or bounds fence?
In general how much would a person fence on this ground in a day?
Vat docket required?
Is it for tams scheme ?
How much of a hurry are you in?
Did the guy pricing it want it?ie is he busy or just putting in a price and hoping?


Those are just some of the things to take into account.
After saying all that its easy to get a rough idea.
Straight 100m run is 2 strainers and 23 stakes(2 for props at each end) at 5m centre's or 3 strainers if using 1 in the middle.Half a roll of barbed will do 100m plus 1 roll of sheepwire(just about).Then staples and 2 eggs plus 19 lenghts of insul tube if plain is electric.
Now add on labour.Plus a bit of profit of course,people ain't at it for the good bracing fresh air.

All said its on the high side but without looking at it its very hard to tell.

rangler1

paddysdream wrote: »

How long is a piece of string?

Sounds a little on the high side but;

How much work ie 100m or 1000m ?
Straight run or lots of bends ie extra strainers? Many people don't realise that to do it right you may put strainers on all the turns.
Assuming ht wire but is it 8 80 15 or different ?
How many propped strainers? People forget these take time ie propping and tying the wire plus strainer and two stakes.
Is single strand plain or barbed.?If plain is it being insulated and are they using cheap or good insul tube and eggs.
How many if any gateways?
Whats the ground like ?Is it level or uneven ?
Dividing fields or by a ditch?
Whats the ground like to drive stakes ?Full of rock means lots of grief/Too wet means bogging and messing.
What sort of stakes and strainers?Cresoted or pressure treated?
What size and lenght of stake and strainer?5ft/6ft 3 to 4 inch or 4 inch or different stake.8 ft or 9 ft strainer?
How far apart are stakes?Is it for field division or bounds fence?
In general how much would a person fence on this ground in a day?
Vat docket required?
Is it for tams scheme ?
How much of a hurry are you in?
Did the guy pricing it want it?ie is he busy or just putting in a price and hoping?


Those are just some of the things to take into account.
After saying all that its easy to get a rough idea.
Straight 100m run is 2 strainers and 23 stakes(2 for props at each end) at 5m centre's or 3 strainers if using 1 in the middle.Half a roll of barbed will do 100m plus 1 roll of sheepwire(just about).Then staples and 2 eggs plus 19 lenghts of insul tube if plain is electric.
Now add on labour.Plus a bit of profit of course,people ain't at it for the good bracing fresh air.

All said its on the high side but without looking at it its very hard to tell.

€5.50/mtr for 220 mtrs here last may

derferjam

rangler1 wrote: »

€5.50/mtr for 220 mtrs here last may

jez at that rate i'm been robbed this guy has not even seen the site it was a quote he gave me over the phone..... Its a straight ditch needs a bit of dressing and ground should be no problems for the stakes.

paddysdream

rangler1 wrote: »

€5.50/mtr for 220 mtrs here last may

Sounds about right for nice level Westmeath land!!!
Presume thats inc. vat?

Same thing again;Which stakes and strainers at what centre's?
Sheepwire (assume 8 80 15 ht) plus what?Top strand or two ?Barbed or plain?Plain bottom strand to halve gap between sheepwire and ground?
All strainers propped?
Straight run of 220m from end to end?
How many strainers? ie any bends?

Can think of lots more questions but in general what you paid should get you:
9ft propped tannilised strainers,6ft stakes,ht sheepwire plus one ht barbed on top and one plain on bottom,both ends tied PROPERLY,6 staples in each stake ie 4 in sheepwire plus one on top and bottom strand,16 staples in each end strainer.
In other words a proper job!!!

paddysdream

derferjam wrote: »

jez at that rate i'm been robbed this guy has not even seen the site it was a quote he gave me over the phone..... Its a straight ditch needs a bit of dressing and ground should be no problems for the stakes.

All depends.Nobody is gonna give a cheap price on the phone and then when you go to look at the job its rather difficult to tell the farmer that his"straight" ditch will in fact need about 5 extra strainers at 16 a pop.
Course all farmers tell you;Shur keep into that hedge as I don't want the fence out in the field.
Drive a post at each end of a ditch and then pull a ht. wire line from one to the other.That makes many a "straight "ditch look quiet different

derferjam

paddysdream wrote: »

Sounds about right for nice level Westmeath land!!!
Presume thats inc. vat?

Same thing again;Which stakes and strainers at what centre's?
Sheepwire (assume 8 80 15 ht) plus what?Top strand or two ?Barbed or plain?Plain bottom strand to halve gap between sheepwire and ground?
All strainers propped?
Straight run of 220m from end to end?
How many strainers? ie any bends?

Can think of lots more questions but in general what you paid should get you:
9ft propped tannilised strainers,6ft stakes,ht sheepwire plus one ht barbed on top and one plain on bottom,both ends tied PROPERLY,6 staples in each stake ie 4 in sheepwire plus one on top and bottom strand,16 staples in each end strainer.
In other words a proper job!!!

Jez Paddysdream you seam to really know what your talking about are you or were you involved in fencing.

rangler1

paddysdream wrote: »

Sounds about right for nice level Westmeath land!!!
Presume thats inc. vat?

Same thing again;Which stakes and strainers at what centre's?
Sheepwire (assume 8 80 15 ht) plus what?Top strand or two ?Barbed or plain?Plain bottom strand to halve gap between sheepwire and ground?
All strainers propped?
Straight run of 220m from end to end?
How many strainers? ie any bends?

Can think of lots more questions but in general what you paid should get you:
9ft propped tannilised strainers,6ft stakes,ht sheepwire plus one ht barbed on top and one plain on bottom,both ends tied PROPERLY,6 staples in each stake ie 4 in sheepwire plus one on top and bottom strand,16 staples in each end strainer.
In other words a proper job!!!

same as derferjam asked, creosote stakes, 5mtr apart, sheepwire and one strand plain 220 mtrs + a gate post which wasn't used as a strainer and hung my own gate .....€1100 inc vat

Cran

derferjam wrote: »

I have 547m to do and it has to match all the grant reg. so the job has to be done by a registered fencer and the stakes have to be creasut treated stakes.

Can you not do the fencing for the grant yourself? sounds a bit mad, but sure why would I be surprised had three guys check same handling unit here for the grant :rolleyes:

paddysdream

Cran wrote: »

Can you not do the fencing for the grant yourself? sounds a bit mad, but sure why would I be surprised had three guys check same handling unit here for the grant :rolleyes:

Be careful if going for the TAMS grant.They seem to measure it very very carefully and are sticky re. distances between stakes etc plus of course using stamped strainers and heights of wire.

Best advice seems to be to underestimate the lenght a wee bit.

Doing it yourself would entail a saving if you could get a lend of a post driver.Sheep wire pullers is easily made up from a piece of angle iron.All extra needed then are a hammer,spade and wire pullers.

paddysdream

rangler1 wrote: »

same as derferjam asked, creosote stakes, 5mtr apart, sheepwire and one strand plain 220 mtrs + a gate post which wasn't used as a strainer and hung my own gate .....€1100 inc vat

Sounds very good value to be honest.

Wire would cost about 300 alone .300 for stakes and strainers.Add in staples and gripples and would you cover the labour for the balance?

Wicklow Hills

Fencing 220 Metres at the moment. Ditch in and out so going to take extra turners. Posts at 4 metres apart. Sheep Wire with two strands barbed.

Strainers 4 @ € 18.50 111.00
Turners 7 @ € 11.00 77.00
Stakes 77@ € 7.20 554.00
8-80-15 2 rolls @ € 115.00 230.00
Barbed 3 rolls @ € 42.00 126.00
Staples €18.00 (2.5kg) 18.00

Total €116.00 (€5.07c/metre

Posts are PDM heavy Cresoted ( not uniform)
Wire is Tornado with gripples attached.( Have 20m lying around to make up difference)
Prices include VAT.
I would expect to pay at least €2.00 per metre for erecting. Don't know how you would make money supplying Tractor, Two men and Post Driver for any less.

paddysdream

Wicklow Hills wrote: »

Fencing 220 Metres at the moment. Ditch in and out so going to take extra turners. Posts at 4 metres apart. Sheep Wire with two strands barbed.

Strainers 4 @ € 18.50 111.00
Turners 7 @ € 11.00 77.00
Stakes 77@ € 7.20 554.00
8-80-15 2 rolls @ € 115.00 230.00
Barbed 3 rolls @ € 42.00 126.00
Staples €18.00 (2.5kg) 18.00

Total €116.00 (€5.07c/metre

Posts are PDM heavy Cresoted ( not uniform)
Wire is Tornado with gripples attached.( Have 20m lying around to make up difference)
Prices include VAT.
I would expect to pay at least €2.00 per metre for erecting. Don't know how you would make money supplying Tractor, Two men and Post Driver for any less.

That's it in a nutshell.
Even allowing for using cheaper tannalised strainers and stakes materials alone make up a significent amount per metre.
People forget that when you get in someone to fence for you they are there to make a few bob(not a lot in most cases!!)
With the farmer supplying the materials most forget that staples don't come free,or the extra gripples or the gate hanger etc etc.
Labour is the big cost plus of course the postdriver,tractor,drillsaw etc all had to be paid for at some stage.

rangler1

Wicklow Hills wrote: »

Fencing 220 Metres at the moment. Ditch in and out so going to take extra turners. Posts at 4 metres apart. Sheep Wire with two strands barbed.

Strainers 4 @ € 18.50 111.00
Turners 7 @ € 11.00 77.00
Stakes 77@ € 7.20 554.00
8-80-15 2 rolls @ € 115.00 230.00
Barbed 3 rolls @ € 42.00 126.00
Staples €18.00 (2.5kg) 18.00

Total €116.00 (€5.07c/metre

Posts are PDM heavy Cresoted ( not uniform)
Wire is Tornado with gripples attached.( Have 20m lying around to make up difference)
Prices include VAT.
I would expect to pay at least €2.00 per metre for erecting. Don't know how you would make money supplying Tractor, Two men and Post Driver for any less.

My fencer works on his own, arrived at ten gone by five.
You have 84 (77 +7turners) stakes there for 220 mtrs...probably a bit over kill.
I didn't bargain to get that, just asked him was he working near, didn't know the cost until I got the bill, so don't even know whether it's dear or value, but he does every job as if it's his own

Username John

paddysdream wrote: »

Be careful if going for the TAMS grant.They seem to measure it very very carefully and are sticky re. distances between stakes etc plus of course using stamped strainers and heights of wire.

Best advice seems to be to underestimate the lenght a wee bit.

Doing it yourself would entail a saving if you could get a lend of a post driver.Sheep wire pullers is easily made up from a piece of angle iron.All extra needed then are a hammer,spade and wire pullers.

How did you make the sheep wire pullers Paddy? I could do with one...

rangler1

Username John wrote: »

How did you make the sheep wire pullers Paddy? I could do with one...

Some farmers drill holes in the angle iron to correspond with the wires on the sheep wire, shove the wires through the holes and put a gripple on them, bolt a chain to the angle and pull with the tractor.
Make sure it's good strong angle

Username John

rangler1 wrote: »

Some farmers drill holes in the angle iron to correspond with the wires on the sheep wire, shove the wires through the holes and put a gripple on them, bolt a chain to the angle and pull with the tractor.
Make sure it's good strong angle

Maybe this is a silly question - but how do you take the gripples off? Or do you cut the wire, and push the gripples off the cut part?

Also - I assume you can buy bags of gripples can you?

rangler1

Username John wrote: »

Maybe this is a silly question - but how do you take the gripples off? Or do you cut the wire, and push the gripples off the cut part?

Also - I assume you can buy bags of gripples can you?

Yea, cut the wire...and slide them off
I'm sure you can buy them, usually have enough left over here, never seem to have to buy them

AntrimGlens

Is 5m spacings what is recommended for the grant? Three strides between posts is the distance we would place posts here when fencing, irrespective of whether its a straight run in a field or up the sheer face of the mountain. But then there's cattle in the fields too, which have a tendency to find barb a nice thing to scratch themselves on!

Green farmer

I do my own fencing with a friend helping me out at times. Try to keep the costs reasonable and do a few hundred metres every year. Costs are €50 for 50 meters of medium green sheep wire 3ft. Steaks at 2.30 each 5ft , 4" thick. Gripples I source at €1 each. 1kg staples work out at 3-50 a box. I don't use barbed wire. If needs be I can run a roll of high tensile wire along top of fence. Use a tractor and post driver on steaks. Straining posts work out at €6 each. I lay the posts at 3 strides the same as Antrim.
Not getting any grants, but think it's eligible to reclaim farmers vat on materials.

arctictree

I pay 5.5 a metre here. Have to pay extra for gates. Do a few hundred metres every year. Contractor would do about 250M in a day.

razor8

thought id use this thread instead of starting a new one

dont want to fence to right side of fence as its in and out around trees. if i fence to left the fence will will be dead straight but worried the fence will get damaged when the time comes to clean it out again

how far back from drain do i need to keep to leave it comfortable for a track machine to clean out without damaging fence. cant see a minimum distance on any of the specifications

Username John

razor8 wrote: »

thought id use this thread instead of starting a new one

dont want to fence to right side of fence as its in and out around trees. if i fence to left the fence will will be dead straight but worried the fence will get damaged when the time comes to clean it out again

how far back from drain do i need to keep to leave it comfortable for a track machine to clean out without damaging fence. cant see a minimum distance on any of the specifications

Would you not be losing a lot of ground, if you were to keep out enough to get a track machine in between the drain and the fence?

Would it be worth doing a job cleaning the trees back on the right side, and putting the fence up then?
(Not the answer you wanted I know)

razor8

Username John wrote: »

Would you not be losing a lot of ground, if you were to keep out enough to get a track machine in between the drain and the fence?

Would it be worth doing a job cleaning the trees back on the right side, and putting the fence up then?
(Not the answer you wanted I know)

sorry uj, i didnt mean that the track machine would be in there, i wanted to know how far back i need to keep it so digger could reach in with bucket to clean it!"

as well as trees on other side there is a uneven bank which make things awkward

derferjam

You would be mad to put a fence up in front of the drain as no matter how good a man is they will damage the fence when the time comes to clean out the drain