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Schengen Area

  • 29-09-2014 12:50pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭


    I have no idea where to post this so I thought here might be the most general area.

    Has anyone ever heard of this before?

    If someone can travel freely within the Schengen area and within the EU, should they have issues travelling to Ireland or do they need a visa?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    Ireland (and the UK) are not part of Shengen.
    They would have problems coming in to Ireland if they are a non-EU citizen without appropriate visa.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭Her name was Lola


    Non EU citizen with 10 years residency in Spain. Should they need a visa in this case?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    There is a travel section on boards.
    Schengen is a border around EU (kinda, not always same countries). Actally more like an agreement on more lax control between some countries, similar to RoI and NI).
    You need a passport for Ireland if you travel from GB.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭Her name was Lola


    Thanks biko. Would a mod move this to Travel section then or should I repost there?

    They would be travelling from Holland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,622 ✭✭✭Ruu


    Moved from After Hours.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    Ireland (and the UK) are not part of Shengen.
    They would have problems coming in to Ireland if they are a non-EU citizen without appropriate visa.

    That is not true.
    Schengen is a group of countries within the EU. Between these countries controls are even less than what's happening at regular EU borders.
    In practice that meant I was able to fly from Germany to Spain (when I was still living in Germany that is) and there was no controls at all. Nobody looking at your passport even. Was like gettin into a bus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭CiboC


    Boskowski wrote: »
    That is not true.

    Which bit is not true?

    Ireland and the UK are not part of the Schengen area.

    A resident of another EU member state may require a visa to come to Ireland, it depends on their nationality and residency status.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭Her name was Lola


    Nigerian nationality with 10 years permanent residency in Spain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,921 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    its quite simple, it seems.

    theres a list of nationalities who dont need a visa, and Nigeria isnt one of them - so Nigerian citizens need a visa for Ireland.
    They are also on a small list of countries along with Afgahanistan, Iraq, Zimbabwe and Somalia who even need a transit visa to pass through an Irish airport.
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/coming_to_live_in_ireland/visa_requirements_for_entering_ireland.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭CiboC


    Get them to check with the Irish Embassy in Spain, they will be able to advise your friend what they need to do.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭Her name was Lola


    Thanks - need to find out if they meet any of the following then

    Who else can land in Ireland without a visa?

    You do not need a visa to land in Ireland if:

    You hold a valid travel document issued by one of the following countries in accordance with Article 28 of the Geneva Convention: Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovak Republic, Spain, Sweden, or Switzerland.
    You hold either a valid residence card 4 EU FAM or a valid permanent residence card 4 EU FAM issued by the Garda National Immigration Bureau under the European Communities (Free Movement of Persons) (No. 2) Regulations 2006 (SI 656/2006).
    You are a family member of an EU citizen and you hold a document called "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen" as referred to in article 10 of Directive 2004/38/EC (pdf).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,620 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Schengen only applies when travelling between two countries who are both signatories to the Schengen agreement. Being able to travel freely within the Schengen area counts for nothing when travelling to Ireland or the UK. You might as well be arriving here (or the UK) from China i.e. you will need to do passport control and satisfy the official that you are entitled to enter the country.

    I think you need to stop talking about Schengen since you are asking about a person with a non-EU passport travelling here from Spain - Schengen has nothing to do with that situation. Holding a residency permit for a single EU country (other than Ireland) may or may not entitle that person to enter Ireland but I suspect it will not.

    I think the Legal forum would be more appropriate for this thread.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 94 ✭✭Her name was Lola


    Well, it's already been moved from After Hours, so would a mod oblige by moving it again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,005 ✭✭✭veetwin


    Nigerian nationality with 10 years permanent residency in Spain.

    Unless the residency in Spain is based on being a family member of a EU citizen or they hold a Geneva convention document they will definitely need a visa. Forget about Shengen as that only applies to to the member states.


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