"You have no right to judge..."

BlibBlab

Why has this become such a popular rebuttal to people who disagree with something? Ironically used by people who see themselves as liberal or taking the liberal position on whatever issue. Surely we all have the right to judge, and thoughtcrimes aren't a thing yet. Now our judgement might be stupid but it doesn't have to be listened to, I hate this whole 'you've no right to judge anything' mindset. We judge everything, it's impossible not to and it's part of being a thinking being. If I see people doing or behaving a certain way, of course I'm going to judge them

Tzardine

I carry around a gavel.

shruikan2553

From what Ive seen its just another way of saying hypocrite.

Pumpkinseeds

* Shakes fist. I'll never stop judging people. I'm judging everyone right now. You have been judged and found wanting.:P

Thoie

I have this argument with people all the time. "You're very judgemental", "Who are you to judge?".

As you said, judging is something we do all the time, it's part of thinking. What we shouldn't necessarily do is treat people badly/differently based on our judgements.

If you approach me with a certain look, and a certain accent, asking me for a cigarette or spare change I'll make certain judgements, and be less likely to leave my phone/wallet lying around in front of you. But I should still talk to you politely, and treat you the same as everyone else.

People will point out that securing my phone/wallet is immediately treating that person badly based on my judgement, but only a fool/naif would ignore past experiences.

mikemac1

"Are you a parent?"

"One day you'll have children and then you'll understand"

If someone tells you this they are telling you to STFU. :mad:

I see it on boards too!

Tzardine

mikemac1 wrote: »

"Are you a parent?"

"One day you'll have children and then you'll understand"

If someone tells you this they are telling you to STFU. :mad:

I see it on boards too!

This. It Bugs the bejazus out of me.

Me : Your kid just stabbed little Suzy.
Parent : How dare you judge him. You don't have kids. You just don't understand.

0byme75341jo28

"Who gave you the right to say..." is worse.

I've the right to disagree with your stupid opinion! Who gave you the right to say "who gave you the right to say" to me? Stupid shít.

Dravokivich

mikemac1 wrote: »

"Are you a parent?"

"One day you'll have children and then you'll understand"

If someone tells you this they are telling you to STFU. :mad:

I see it on boards too!

Be right back, my baby is playing with the stairs.


...I dont understand meself.

Shakespeare's Sister

"Who are you to say" is another stupid one - particularly when it gets used in response to someone stating a supported fact.

KomradeBishop

Judging people based on their actual actions: Nothing wrong with that, it's grand and isn't really 'judgemental'.

Pre-judging people based on either nothing, or for superficial reasons that do nothing to back your judgment (e.g. judging based on appearance) - i.e. just making big unwarranted assumptions about someone: Díckhead.

Donkey Oaty

We have no right to judge others unless we are do it in a wise, compassionate and impartial way like Simon Cowell does.

Shakespeare's Sister

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Judging people based on their actual actions: Nothing wrong with that, it's grand and isn't really 'judgemental'.

Pre-judging people based on either nothing, or for superficial reasons that do nothing to back your judgment (e.g. judging based on appearance) - i.e. just making big unwarranted assumptions about someone: Díckhead.

Yeh I think that's what the phrase means, but it gets misused, and it's not that well worded IMO.
People do have a right to judge - in their thoughts at least. Sometimes the word "right" can be misused.

mikemac1

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Pre-judging people based on either nothing, or for superficial reasons that do nothing to back your judgment (e.g. judging based on appearance) - i.e. just making big unwarranted assumptions about someone: Díckhead.

But appearance can be based on common knowledge.

If I glance behind and see a young lad in a tracksuit cycling up to me I put away my phone or grip it tightly. Phones being snatched every day

I judged the lad, I don't regret it

eviltwin

Personally I think we can judge internally ie would I do that, would I have made the same decision etc without judging the character of a person. For example I've been judged in the past for certain things I've done, people who don't agree with them are entitled to not agree with them, that is fine but when someone decides I'm a bad person on the basis of one thing then I have no time for that.

KomradeBishop

Shakespeare's Sister wrote: »

Yeh I think that's what the phrase means, but it gets misused, and it's not that well worded IMO.
People do have a right to judge - in their thoughts at least. Sometimes the word "right" can be misused.

Ya true, it's not well worded - and sometimes you hear people come out with "well everyone's judgmental, there's nothing wrong with it" type stuff, to defend it, which I dislike.

Even if there is some truth to that (I'd say everyone is a little judgmental, in ways they may not realize or be in control of), the whole idea is to try and be aware of it and to stop being judgmental once you recognize it - which I like to think I manage well.

Everyone has a 'right' to be judgmental though (thoughtcrime not yet a crime thankfully) - just doesn't make it right

wendell borton

Look out my window and see it's gone wrong,
Court is in session and I slam my gavel down,
I'm judge and I'm jury and I'm executioner too,
-Metallica

Pumpkinseeds

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Judging people based on their actual actions: Nothing wrong with that, it's grand and isn't really 'judgemental'.

Pre-judging people based on either nothing, or for superficial reasons that do nothing to back your judgment (e.g. judging based on appearance) - i.e. just making big unwarranted assumptions about someone: Díckhead.

Meh, I've seen some wedding photos recently of fugly couples and I think Jasus,:P I hope they don't breed.

Thoie

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Judging people based on their actual actions: Nothing wrong with that, it's grand and isn't really 'judgemental'.

Pre-judging people based on either nothing, or for superficial reasons that do nothing to back your judgment (e.g. judging based on appearance) - i.e. just making big unwarranted assumptions about someone: Díckhead.

I'd disagree. If an unexpected van comes up my driveway in a remote country area, the first thing I'll do is prejudge, and go lock the back door. I'll then have a polite conversation with whoever rings at the front door - 9 times out of 10 it's a lost delivery man.

If I prejudged, and flung open the front door holding a shotgun or shouting obscenities then that would make me a dickhead. Taking some sensible precautions that aren't obvious to the other person are grand.

KomradeBishop

mikemac1 wrote: »

But appearance can be based on common knowledge.

If I glance behind and see a young lad in a tracksuit cycling up to me I put away my phone or grip it tightly. Phones being snatched every day

I judged the lad, I don't regret it

Makes sense to treat strangers with suspicion and to be cynical, when it comes to your own property/safety - so ya, that'd be a grey area where you can't really judge someone, for being a bit prejudging.

Adamantium

React to your judgements appropriately. They’re most likely right and you are not prejudiced, racist or any other sort of shame word for doing so. How a person interacts with and presents themselves to you is all that matters. Despite what the feel good mainstream tells us, judging a book/person by its cover is not irrational. To do otherwise is the real insanity. And for all you hidden depth believers out there, it’s best to stop waiting for people to surprise you. They’re not going to.

The times I didn't follow my instincts, I paid for it dearly with my peace of mind and health

Sand

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Judging people based on their actual actions: Nothing wrong with that, it's grand and isn't really 'judgemental'.

Pre-judging people based on either nothing, or for superficial reasons that do nothing to back your judgment (e.g. judging based on appearance) - i.e. just making big unwarranted assumptions about someone: Díckhead.

I dont see anything wrong with that. If you enounter some guy and hes dressed like a junkie with a bumfluff moustache, you will judge him based on the information you have to make a decision. If you wind up talking to him and it turns out he is a lovely chap, honours student and working with a local charity organisation you will or ought to reassess your judgement based on the new information you have.

But there's nothing wrong judging people on what you know about them and past experience and being cautious if that judgement is not favourable - that is basic survival instincts kicking in. Where it goes wrong is where you stop reassessing your judgement call as you learn more.

KomradeBishop

That depends on the context you are judging him in: If there's a potential threat to property or you personally (or similar rational reason to make a judgment), that's one thing - but if there isn't, it's not really still justified.

If you consider that the description you give could fit a lot of homeless people, that's a whole disadvantaged section of society facing prejudgment from others.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

BlibBlab wrote: »

Why has this become such a popular rebuttal to people who disagree with something? Ironically used by people who see themselves as liberal or taking the liberal position on whatever issue. Surely we all have the right to judge, and thoughtcrimes aren't a thing yet. Now our judgement might be stupid but it doesn't have to be listened to, I hate this whole 'you've no right to judge anything' mindset. We judge everything, it's impossible not to and it's part of being a thinking being. If I see people doing or behaving a certain way, of course I'm going to judge them

You don't know what thoughcrime is: the right to from an opinion is one thing, the right to prosecute someone for it is not.

For expressing it, yes, if you express it as fact and you're wrong, buts not the same.

thrashmetalfan

Capt'n Midnight

the only reason any of us exist is that for the last 800 million years have been judgemental and good at it

can it eat me ?
can I eat it ?
can I shag it ?
etc.

Tail Docker

Judge ahead. I'm not bothered. - Sentencing. Now that bugs me. "I sentence you to the crap table, based on my judgement..." or "I sentence you to not getting the job...."