codeinstitute.net Worth it?

the whole year inn

So I seen one of these code boot camps is opening up in dublin,I seen them advertised online for New York and San Fran and was wondering is it worth forking out 7k for this course.
Has anyone any experience with it and whats the chances of getting a job after.
Heres the link http://www.codeinstitute.net/.

Any insight is appreciated!

sylphlv

You can learn all of that on your own, without paying a gruesome amount of money for it. Jesus. All with a bit of determination.
If you can't motivate yourself to learn on your own, I suppose you do have to pay somebody 7k.

sylphlv

Can't edit my message, so I'm just going to make a reply.
I don't know if you know this or not, but an addition to your CV saying that you've done this particular course doesn't exactly pull you much further from any other candidate for a job (if the candidate hasn't got the education, or hasn't done that same course). Sure, it might give you a little edge, but mostly it's just about what you CAN do, and not what you've supposedly been taught to do. So basically if another guy knows how to code better than yourself without the course or any education, he's sure as **** more likely to get the job than you are.
I'd say it's all up to you - do you have to be made to learn or can you learn on your own...

Phoebas

If you are thinking of using this to start a software development career then I wouldn't bother. If you are already a developer and are looking to fast track into more modern development stack then I'd say go for it.

I recently interviewed someone who did a course fairly similar to this recently. I was impressed that he was willing to invest the time and money in his career - but he came from the latter category above.

B.A._Baracus

I would not pay €7,000 for that course. And op, you'll still find it hard to get a job afterwards.

the whole year inn

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I would not pay €7,000 for that course. And op, you'll still find it hard to get a job afterwards.

Thanks for the reply's, was just looking at a few different things looks like I'll head back to college for a couple of years.
Just like to keep my options open

Montallie

the whole year inn wrote: »

So I seen one of these code boot camps is opening up in dublin . . . Any insight is appreciated!

I think you'll have a better chance of getting a job before or afterwards if you can use correct grammar, so 'I saw one of these . . .' rather than 'I seen . . .'

This is a genuine comment that's meant to be helpful, so please don't jump on me. for making it.

B.A._Baracus

the whole year inn wrote: »

Thanks for the reply's, was just looking at a few different things looks like I'll head back to college for a couple of years.
Just like to keep my options open

You are right to keep your options open and you don't have to close the door on learning this. It's just that from my experience alot of these places are con's.

Take this course and it's full time option of 12 weeks. Man, it would take more than 12 weeks to learn all that. Being honest, the actual learning would take place after the course by you going through your notes and making mistakes and learning from them.
Not to mention that right now it's an employers market. So no chance of getting a job straight after doing it. You'll have to build up some more skills and a portfolio.

All these courses are the same. But the con part comes from the price. I say learn it yourself. HTML5 and CSS3 is the best place to start.

the whole year inn

Montallie wrote: »

I think you'll have a better chance of getting a job before or afterwards if you can use correct grammar, so 'I saw one of these . . .' rather than 'I seen . . .'

This is a genuine comment that's meant to be helpful, so please don't jump on me. for making it.

You giving me a job is out of the question so?

Mr. Loverman

A three month course for 7k?

Learning how to make websites?

Listen. Any monkey can learn how to make websites. HTML/CSS are easy. JavaScript requires a bit of effort but these days it's mostly jQuery which simplifies everything for you.

What makes a good developer is learning how to think. Solving problems step by step. Writing specs. Following best practices. Sticking to common design patterns. Dropping the ego. Learning how to communicate. Not doing stupid, lazy stuff.

Programming is a way of thinking. The language doesn't matter. Once you can think like a programmer, you're grand.

I seriously doubt a three month course trying to jam in HTML/CSS/JavaScript/Ruby/Git can teach you a lot of real world stuff. And for 7k I'd want real world stuff.

This is my advice. Get the HTML/CSS Head Start books. You can read them in about a week. Get the PHP & MySQL Web Development book. It's called that. You can read it in about two weeks. Then get the PHP Design Patterns book. Then learn Laravel. Then learn unit testing using Laravel.

You could easily do all this in three months for less than EUR 100 and you'd be an employable PHP + Laravel programmer.

Honestly I'm scared for future software development. People seem to think "everyone can do it" and "coding should be taught to everyone" when in fact it takes a particular type of brain (very uncommon brain) and a lot of hard work to become a decent programmer.

InReality

One of their own FAQ links doesn't work ... a lot of boxes unticked there

Aswerty

These coding boot camps seem to be a thing in San Francisco and New York where it is most definitely a job seekers market. There seems to be a lot of scepticism regarding the success rates of these organizations but they do appear to land people jobs.

In Ireland the software development industry is in a pretty good place for experienced developers; and I stress experienced. I don't envy anyone trying to get there foot in the door since employers main priority is to get someone who'll hit the ground running. You can see this manifested in overly specific requirements on job boards

The tech stack codeinstitute teaches is very much targeted at the web start-up scene. In this context the 35k euro for a junior coder doesn't seem right. I'd cut 10k off of that figure because the only thing you'll be competitive on is labour cost. And this is assuming there'll be any jobs. If you're part of the first batch of students, which seems to be the case here, then you really are a bit of a guinea pig. Their statistic that 69% of graduates from code camps get a job is once again based on what happens over in the parts of the US where developers get paid silly amounts of money due to the demand.

I expect Irish employers would also be less enthusiastic about non-conventional education which makes this a risky enough route to go down.

I hate being pessimistic about fresh approaches to learning but when there is a 7k price tag for 12 weeks the onus is on them to convince me that this is a good investment. And I'm not convinced. If you have a 3rd level degree a spring board course is a decent alternative. I think it is a lot more reasonable in what is achievable when you fast-track a computer science/software engineering course. If you don't have a 3rd level degree and are eligible for a back to education grant then that’s another route (though definitely not a short one).

Finally regardless what route you go down you should do some online learning to make sure you're happy with the destination, because if you aren't it doesn't really matter what route you take.

ivytwine

I'm doing coding on codeacademy.com which is free. Only on HTML and CSS so far so really am doing the basics, but enjoying it. Seven grand... wat

B.A._Baracus

ivytwine wrote: »

I'm doing coding on codeacademy.com which is free. Only on HTML and CSS so far so really am doing the basics, but enjoying it. Seven grand... wat

I know. It's madness. 7 grand is too much.
But maybe I have just been spoilt ... lol. I paid alot less than 7 grand to learn a portion of those skills.

shruikan2553

As someone who taught themselves web development and used it at work, 7k? It would need to be an amazing course that has companies plotting to kidnap me to work for them as I control the internet with my mind.

Plus with these courses most employers will probably have no idea who they are.

sylphlv

shruikan2553 wrote: »

As someone who taught themselves web development and used it at work, 7k? It would need to be an amazing course that has companies plotting to kidnap me to work for them as I control the internet with my mind.

Plus with these courses most employers will probably have no idea who they are.

Haha, greatest post.

digitalanthony

I am not sure how to approach responding to this - I posted a response to this discussion earlier in the day but the nice people in Boards Admin deleted it because (they say) they thought that I was "shilling" (I think that this means selling). So here is a re-post with my personal details removed

Declaration: I am one of the founders of Code Institute

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Hopefully this contribution to the discussion gets posted !





Mod-note: As you were advised earlier, if you're going to speak of behalf of Code Institute, you need a verified-rep account. To get that, you email hello@boards.ie.

And even after you have it, please don't revive threads that are months old.

Sleepy

That one of the founders doesn't know what "shilling" means, speaks volumes. Save your cash OP.

Dymo

Wow, so that's how much it costs to learn the basic's, and in 3 months you would be full of frustration from trying to cram in so much and I bet a lot of people will be finishing up a bit deluded.

I want to know what accreditation does this course offer?

I was looking at a full stack development course a few months ago, but at least they were putting there participants towards jobs.

If I was you OP I'd go with something like this
https://www.udacity.com/course/full-stack-web-developer-nanodegree--nd004

It's aim is 6–9 months, Minimum 10hrs/week. Work on your own schedule.

Very organised and aimed at the larger US companies, even though not accredited either it's $1200 - $1800 and maybe some more if you take your time.

Udacity was born out of Stanford University and is gaining a reputation.

Divisadero

For that kind of money you could pay for a Masters or similar. Not saying you should do a Masters either but it's a lot of money you could invest elsewhere. Even more so if there is a Tech bubble and it goes pop!