Unpaid Training

magicray

hope this is in the right place

If you were offered a job in a local shop how much unpaid training would be fair

Asking for a young student that needs the job but I kind of feel they are being exploited a bit

So far they have worked 4.5 hours unpaid and have been asked to do 6 more unpaid shifts as they don't pay for training

This is fairly basic work - no skills as such required only common sense

Thanks

biko

Not much I'd assume if it's a small corner shop.
Probably just needs training on the till, where everything is, setting alarms, and such?
2/3 days maybe but that's just a guess.

MagicMarker

There shouldn't be any unpaid training, it's a shop, not an internship with Google.

I wouldn't be surprised if the shop turned around at the end of the training period to say "oops, sorry, turns out we can't take you on afterall", then you'll find a new "trainee" in the shop the next week.

magicray

Thanks Biko, its not really a small corner shop but one of the larger chains

Ah I just feel he is being hard done by as he needs the few euros and they are asking for a lot of unpaid hours, long time since I have been in the job market so I don't really know how it works "out there" at the moment

magicray

MagicMarker wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if the shop turned around at the end of the training period to say "oops, sorry, turns out we can't take you on afterall", then you'll find a new "trainee" in the shop the next week.

Thats exactly what I am afraid of :mad:

hallo dare

My former employer had us always do our safe pass course on a Saturday, simply cos we would be at work for the full week getting paid for such. Miserable pr1ck wouldn't pay us for attending a safe pass course on a Saturday.

Akrasia

No shop should expect any employee to attend 'unpaid training'. It's one thing getting a professional qualification like the Safepass, but training an employee how to use workplace equipment is part of the job and this should be paid for by the employer.


Wage theft is something that we have become accustomed to in low pay sectors where employees have no option but to do what they're told or find another job, but if the employer makes someone do 7 shifts for free, this is essentially stealing hundreds of euros off that worker. If an employee took hundreds of euros from the till, he/she would be rightfully fired.

Mrs OBumble

MagicMarker wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if the shop turned around at the end of the training period to say "oops, sorry, turns out we can't take you on afterall", then you'll find a new "trainee" in the shop the next week.

If this happens, go to Citizen's Information and ask them to help with a phone call to the employer demanding payment. I haven't tried this, but apparently they are quite good at doing these, and getting the hours paid.

IMHO there should be no unpaid training hours - unless it's to get something generic like a SafePass or First Aid cert which could apply anywhere.

6 shifts? Like 6 whole days at work?

Simply would not do it tbh, that's absurd.

magicray

Victoria Scary Yo-yo wrote: »

6 shifts? Like 6 whole days at work?

Simply would not do it tbh, that's absurd.

No six 4 hour shifts but thats still too much imo

Thanks for the replys, he really wants the job so is prepared to do it I will absolutely contact Citizens Info if he does not get a proper paid job out of it

I just hate to see youngsters being taken advantage of

scwazrh

hallo dare wrote: »

My former employer had us always do our safe pass course on a Saturday, simply cos we would be at work for the full week getting paid for such. Miserable pr1ck wouldn't pay us for attending a safe pass course on a Saturday.

Why would you expect him to pay you to do a training course that you need to do to have a job.Talk about a sense of entitlement.You should be grateful he arranged the course for you .

AltAccount

magicray wrote: »

If you were offered a job in a local shop how much unpaid training would be fair

Zero. I would expect to be paid from day one.

On the job training and upskilling within work hours should always be paid.

Gael23

I would have said the first day, No more

shruikan2553

1 day is even pushing it.

Thoie

For something like a corner shop, I'd expect to come in an hour early on the first day, and that hour to be used for the basics - run you through some HR policies (expectations for who to call if you're sick/running late, how and when you'll be paid, discipline process, general H&S items, manual handling, etc.).

Then I'd expect to start my paid-for 4 hour shift, and receive on the job training for other things like tills, stock checking/facing etc.