Ramp & Bathroom downstairs

OliveK

Hi,

Long story short, I have a relative, early 70s whose mobility has declined massively in the past year. It is getting to the point where she will be unable to go upstairs/use the bathroom which is on the first floor.

She lives in a 3 bedroom, terraced house in one of the poorest, roughest areas of Dublin (hence house prices very low, regardless of current events in the market).

Her relatives directed her in the direction of the Home Adaptation Scheme whereby she would pay 5% of a max of €30,000 funds from her Local Authority.

Following assessment of her case by social workers, occupational therapist etc, she duly went ahead and paid €900 to an Architechtural Technician (recommended by the aforementioned persons).

This person drew up plans for a ramp and downstairs bathroom (below).

Unlike some of their neighbours, their house actually has a side entrance and a big garden, plenty of space for extension.

Quotes were sought and received - all in the region of €45k - per one example below.

This is obviously out the question, as none of us has a spare €10-15k lying around to make up the shortfall.

One private quote has so far been sought and it is looking like much the same.

The 45k cost is almost half the value of the entire house, 3 beds, kitchen, living room, bathroom (upstairs) which is the problem and a specious back garden and side access as well.

I know that Construction costs are apparently now so prohibitive that this is a (partial) reason for the slowness/hesitancy in the vested interests in resuming some sort of house-building, but is the below the norm these days?

We are upset because if we had really known that 45k and not say, early 30k would be the REAL bill, we would probably not have gone ahead with the initial outlay of €900 - a lot of money to someone as genuinely dirt poor as this lady and her husband.


This lady is 70 and her husband 72.... they only have the State pension to live on and worked all their lives, just could never afford to do up their house and this is what is facing them now.

Thanks for any feedback.

Bathroom & Ramp
Preliminaries €1,325.00
Demolition & alterations €1,250.00
Sub-structure €3,898.00
External Walls €3,250.00
Internal Walls & Partitions €423.00
Roof Structure €3,150.00
Roof Finishes €825.00
Roof Insulation €540.00
External Walls Completion €3,450.00
Internal Walls Completion €1,152.00
External Wall Finishes €1,625.00
Internal Wall Finishes €1,745.00
Ceiling Finishes €987.00
Drainage €3,545.00
Electrical Installations (incl. 2 smoke alarms: Carbon Monoxide & Heat Detector) €2,450.00
Plumbing Installation €1,421.00
Sanitary Ware & Bathroom fitout €2,015.00
Wall & Floor Tiling to Bathroom & Hallway €2,350.00
External works including RAMP €4,458.00
€39,859.00
VAT at 13.5% €5,380.97
GROSS €45,239.97

893bet

OliveK wrote: »

Hi,

Long story short, I have a relative, early 70s whose mobility has declined massively in the past year. It is getting to the point where she will be unable to go upstairs/use the bathroom which is on the first floor.

She lives in a 3 bedroom, terraced house in one of the poorest, roughest areas of Dublin (hence house prices very low, regardless of current events in the market).

Her relatives directed her in the direction of the Home Adaptation Scheme whereby she would pay 5% of a max of €30,000 funds from her Local Authority.

Following assessment of her case by social workers, occupational therapist etc, she duly went ahead and paid €900 to an Architechtural Technician (recommended by the aforementioned persons).

This person drew up plans for a ramp and downstairs bathroom (below).

Unlike some of their neighbours, their house actually has a side entrance and a big garden, plenty of space for extension.

Quotes were sought and received - all in the region of €45k - per one example below.

This is obviously out the question, as none of us has a spare €10-15k lying around to make up the shortfall.

One private quote has so far been sought and it is looking like much the same.

The 45k cost is almost half the value of the entire house, 3 beds, kitchen, living room, bathroom (upstairs) which is the problem and a specious back garden and side access as well.

I know that Construction costs are apparently now so prohibitive that this is a (partial) reason for the slowness/hesitancy in the vested interests in resuming some sort of house-building, but is the below the norm these days?

We are upset because if we had really known that 45k and not say, early 30k would be the REAL bill, we would probably not have gone ahead with the initial outlay of €900 - a lot of money to someone as genuinely dirt poor as this lady and her husband.


This lady is 70 and her husband 72.... they only have the State pension to live on and worked all their lives, just could never afford to do up their house and this is what is facing them now.

Thanks for any feedback.

Bathroom & Ramp
Preliminaries €1,325.00
Demolition & alterations €1,250.00
Sub-structure €3,898.00
External Walls €3,250.00
Internal Walls & Partitions €423.00
Roof Structure €3,150.00
Roof Finishes €825.00
Roof Insulation €540.00
External Walls Completion €3,450.00
Internal Walls Completion €1,152.00
External Wall Finishes €1,625.00
Internal Wall Finishes €1,745.00
Ceiling Finishes €987.00
Drainage €3,545.00
Electrical Installations (incl. 2 smoke alarms: Carbon Monoxide & Heat Detector) €2,450.00
Plumbing Installation €1,421.00
Sanitary Ware & Bathroom fitout €2,015.00
Wall & Floor Tiling to Bathroom & Hallway €2,350.00
External works including RAMP €4,458.00
€39,859.00
VAT at 13.5% €5,380.97
GROSS €45,239.97

How big is the extention?

sydthebeat

as far as i know, she cant claim back the VAT after completion.
the VAT still needs to be paid to the contractor, but it can be claimed back, so perhaps some agreement with a credit union could be considered to facilitate this.

edit:
im only seeing now that this is for a ramp and a downstairs bathroom.


those prices are high in that case.

pm me and i will give you a number of a company who specialise in these in dublin.

ive been involved in loads of these over the last few years on dublin.

Gumbo

At 45k, it must be a decently sized extension.

BryanF

We need to know what size it is? An if you have offered the arch a chance to claw back the budget?

gctest50

OliveK wrote: »

Hi,

Long story short, I have a relative, early 70s whose mobility has declined massively in the past year. It is getting to the point where she will be unable to go upstairs/use the bathroom which is on the first floor.

She lives in a 3 bedroom, terraced house in one of the poorest, roughest areas of Dublin (hence house prices very low, regardless of current events in the market).

Her relatives directed her in the direction of the Home Adaptation Scheme whereby she would pay 5% of a max of €30,000 funds from her Local Authority.

Following assessment of her case by social workers, occupational therapist etc, she duly went ahead and paid €900 to an Architechtural Technician (recommended by the aforementioned persons).

This person drew up plans for a ramp and downstairs bathroom (below).

Unlike some of their neighbours, their house actually has a side entrance and a big garden, plenty of space for extension.

Quotes were sought and received - all in the region of €45k - per one example below.

This is obviously out the question, as none of us has a spare €10-15k lying around to make up the shortfall.

One private quote has so far been sought and it is looking like much the same.

The 45k cost is almost half the value of the entire house, 3 beds, kitchen, living room, bathroom (upstairs) which is the problem and a specious back garden and side access as well.

I know that Construction costs are apparently now so prohibitive that this is a (partial) reason for the slowness/hesitancy in the vested interests in resuming some sort of house-building, but is the below the norm these days?

We are upset because if we had really known that 45k and not say, early 30k would be the REAL bill, we would probably not have gone ahead with the initial outlay of €900 - a lot of money to someone as genuinely dirt poor as this lady and her husband.


This lady is 70 and her husband 72.... they only have the State pension to live on and worked all their lives, just could never afford to do up their house and this is what is facing them now.

Thanks for any feedback.

Bathroom & Ramp
Preliminaries €1,325.00
Demolition & alterations €1,250.00
Sub-structure €3,898.00
External Walls €3,250.00
Internal Walls & Partitions €423.00
Roof Structure €3,150.00
Roof Finishes €825.00
Roof Insulation €540.00
External Walls Completion €3,450.00
Internal Walls Completion €1,152.00
External Wall Finishes €1,625.00
Internal Wall Finishes €1,745.00
Ceiling Finishes €987.00
Drainage €3,545.00
Electrical Installations (incl. 2 smoke alarms: Carbon Monoxide & Heat Detector) €2,450.00
Plumbing Installation €1,421.00
Sanitary Ware & Bathroom fitout €2,015.00
Wall & Floor Tiling to Bathroom & Hallway €2,350.00
External works including RAMP €4,458.00
€39,859.00
VAT at 13.5% €5,380.97
GROSS €45,239.97

there's a good few doing wood framed extensions

like this sorta thing:

http://mobile.dudamobile.com/site/kcoon/gallery?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kcoon.ie%2Fgallery.html#2865

might be faster, less disruptive

on phone so tricky posting links

OliveK

Sorry, I will have to fish out the quote. Was too surprised by the overall cost breakdown to note that. Job also involves a new hallway to the bathroom. The family specified as simple as possible...doesn't seem to be what the designer guy did. A downstairs bathroom and a ramp. No fancy extras sought

wtlltw

the question you should ask is whether the existing house could be adapted to suit the users needs

OliveK

Hi all,

Thanks very much for the tips on this matter.

OliveK