Richard Branson to offer unlimited holidays to staff

Defiler Of The Coffin

The boss of Virgin Group, Sir Richard Branson, is offering his personal staff as much holiday as they want.

On his website, he said that his staff of 170 could "take off whenever they want for as long as they want".

He added that there was no need to ask for approval, nor say when they planned to return, the assumption being that the absence would not damage the firm.

Mr Branson said he was inspired by his daughter, who read about a similar plan at the online TV firm Netflix.

"It is left to the employee alone to decide if and when he or she feels like taking a few hours, a day, a week or a month off," wrote the billionaire.

"The assumption being that they are only going to do it when they feel 100% comfortable that they and their team are up to date on every project and that their absence will not in any way damage the business - or, for that matter, their careers!"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29356627

Would you like to see this implemented in your work place? I would love it! As long as it doesn't get abused of course.

cloud493

How do you moderate that to ensure it ain't abused though?

Mrs Garth Brooks

Where do I apply?

Slunk

Great idea but don't think it would work in my place. Someone would ruin it by taking the piss, probably me tbh. Ah there's the sunshine. No work for me today, who's going for a few beers. Ah, everyone's working, except wait, my fellow workmates can take time off too. Recipe for disaster.

Lapin

Has Branson's idea ever been flown yet or is it still in the virgin stage ?

Rightwing

A bit like the public sector here then.

The Peanut

The boss of Virgin Group, Sir Richard Branson, is offering his personal staff as much holiday as they want.

On his website, he said that his staff of 170 could "take off whenever they want for as long as they want".

He added that there was no need to ask for approval, nor say when they planned to return, the assumption being that the absence would not damage the firm.

Mr Branson said he was inspired by his daughter, who read about a similar plan at the online TV firm Netflix.

"It is left to the employee alone to decide if and when he or she feels like taking a few hours, a day, a week or a month off," wrote the billionaire.

"The assumption being that they are only going to do it when they feel 100% comfortable that they and their team are up to date on every project and that their absence will not in any way damage the business - or, for that matter, their careers!"




Fairly certain some county councils already have this in place.

Lapin

How would those in the public sector know the difference ?





Here we go.

Boskowski

There is never a good time to leave a project. It's a scam. You end up working more.

force eleven

How would those in the public sector know the difference ?


*Grabs Popcorn*:cool:

wretcheddomain

It's already in place for TDs in this country.

bear1

Would these types of holiday leaves be paid?

Specialun

I think this would be a great idea in the public sector here

foggy_lad

Boskowski wrote: »

There is never a good time to leave a project. It's a scam. You end up working more.

Alll those staff will be on contracts as well and will want to be kept when their contract ends so they will not want to upset the apple cart.

shruikan2553

bear1 wrote: »

Would these types of holiday leaves be paid?

This is what Im wondering. Being free to take whatever holidays you want for no pay seems fair to me. Otherwise it would be abused.

The Backwards Man

Very handy way of finding out who's worth their place in the firm and who isn't.

MRnotlob606

Department of Social Protection ?

seamus

We've had it in our workplace since the start of this year. It's not revolutionary, some companies have been doing this for a couple of years now. Branson must have fed it to some friendly journos who thought it was newsworthy.

Abuse of the system can be measured and weeded out because all holidays still have to be approved and recorded. If someone's work throughput is poor and you can see they've taken 40 days annual leave this year, then you know there's a big problem.

This idea afaik began in the US, bizarrely, which is famous for companies giving employees like 3 days off a year. What they found was when employees were allowed take as much leave as they liked, the amount of leave people took actually dropped. This is because if your employment contract says you get 15 days holidays a year, the employee feels entitled to take these days without penalty or prejudice.
When you remove this guaranteed number, the employee feels like you're doing them a favour by giving them annual leave. And in the cut-throat workplaces of the US, employees became afraid of taking holidays lest they be passed over for promotion or otherwise be seen to be taking the piss.
As a result, someone who took their entitled 15 days last year only took 10 this year because of nods and winks and subtle nudges from bosses and co-workers that taking leave was frowned upon.

The same kind of attitude doesn't really exist in Europe, and employees are required to take a minimum no. of days regardless of an "unlimited" offer. So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in European companies.

Specialun

seamus wrote: »

We've had it in our workplace since the start of this year. It's not revolutionary, some companies have been doing this for a couple of years now. Branson must have fed it to some friendly journos who thought it was newsworthy.

Abuse of the system can be measured and weeded out because all holidays still have to be approved and recorded. If someone's work throughput is poor and you can see they've taken 40 days annual leave this year, then you know there's a big problem.

This idea afaik began in the US, bizarrely, which is famous for companies giving employees like 3 days off a year. What they found was when employees were allowed take as much leave as they liked, the amount of leave people took actually dropped. This is because if your employment contract says you get 15 days holidays a year, the employee feels entitled to take these days without penalty or prejudice.
When you remove this guaranteed number, the employee feels like you're doing them a favour by giving them annual leave. And in the cut-throat workplaces of the US, employees became afraid of taking holidays lest they be passed over for promotion or otherwise be seen to be taking the piss.
As a result, someone who took their entitled 15 days last year only took 10 this year because of nods and winks and subtle nudges from bosses and co-workers that taking leave was frowned upon.

The same kind of attitude doesn't really exist in Europe, and employees are required to take a minimum no. of days regardless of an "unlimited" offer. So it'll be interesting to see how this plays out in European companies.

If the holidays have to be approved by the boss then how is it different from any other holiday request

seamus

Specialun wrote: »

If the holidays have to be approved by the boss then how is it different from any other holiday request

It's not. But you have no limit on how much you can take. So there's no system preventing you from submitting a request because you've run out of days, and you don't have to go grovelling to your boss or HR if you need to take more than the legal minimum 20 days.

pharmaton

https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation/transcript?language=en
Sounds a bit like this.

Also, they should do this in the public sector

Moist Mittens

Did someone already mention Public Sector?

cookie24

I would guess he employs people with some common sense and decency, and probably pays well. I dont think it will be abused. Probably would be in other paces though.

Turtyturd

I work in the public sector and already have a system like this, all my private sector sucker mates are envious.

miss no stars

"The assumption being that they are only going to do it when they feel 100% comfortable that they and their team are up to date on every project and that their absence will not in any way damage the business - or, for that matter, their careers!"


That's the only bit that you need to pay attention to. If you're anything other than a public service employee... That time is probably never. You have to be 100% comfortable that nobody on your entire team is behind in any way, on any part of any project and that you going away can't do ANY damage to your career or to the company.

Big ask. Manipulative, even.

I thing the important point is ....AND WONT DAMAGE THEIR CAREERS.

It a great idea and the fact that abusing it might damage you careers would be enough motivation for most people, in fact in a subtle way its very clever.

Philo Beddoe

miss no stars wrote: »

That's the only bit that you need to pay attention to. If you're anything other than a public service employee... That time is probably never. You have to be 100% comfortable that nobody on your entire team is behind in any way, on any part of any project and that you going away can't do ANY damage to your career or to the company.

Big ask. Manipulative, even.

Exactly. I work in a software company and our year is scheduled out over various releases we are doing, with various patches and fixes and other work filling up any potential down time. People are moved back and forward between projects where necessary, and we're never not busy.

If you want to take holidays you give your manager sufficient notice so that the lack of an engineer can be taken account of and covered for if necessary, in the knowledge that the company expects you to take every annual leave day you are and there is no way your absence would ever be held against you. I can only see Branson's proposed system meaning a reduction in days taken!

The Moldy Gowl

Has anyone made a public sector joke yet?

Akrasia

As others have said, this is a con

It could only work if you're in a job with no responsibilities that doesn't require you to be there, and then you're probably better off not taking any holidays because if you do, your boss will wonder why he's paying you to be there at all.

logically

Public sector is the new YORE MA.

A lot of it depends on the type of work and the type of work place you work in, my husband can take time to go to the doctor or what ever, however the is an un written expectation that you make up the time... now nobody is watching or monitoring this in anyway but its never abused.

SEPT 23 1989

Hank Scorpio really does look after his staff

captain caveman

Something Something Public Sector.....

Buona Fortuna

Boskowski wrote: »

There is never a good time to leave a project. It's a scam. You end up working more.

My thoughts exactly. I left my last job after 26 years before I went totally ape$hit crazy.

The assumption being that they are only going to do it when they feel 100% comfortable that they and their team are up to date on every project and that their absence will not in any way damage the business - or, for that matter, their careers!

So that team has to manage their leave then. I have to ask that if a person's extended absence would not damage the business, how necessary are they to the organisation.

Another idea from Branson that is more froth than beer.

allibastor

To be fair it is a tanget off the Google idea of free gym and food.
My cousins Who works there enjoys it, but feels like he can never leave. Guys go in early for the gym but the discuss work. Guys stay back for dinner and discuss work.
It got to the Point where he had to do all this with the team it else he was missing out.

Bransons idea while cool sounding puts more responsibilty on the staff. They have to be sure the team is ahead, if not it puts everyone at risk.
The projects Who have Poor performance due to Poor teams are soon spotted .
It will mean the good staff will never feel happy to take holidays as there is really never a good time to not be there.

Tin Foil Hat

If you are in a job where this set-up would work to your advantage, then you are probably already on a list for the next round of layoffs.

Buona Fortuna

allibastor wrote: »

To be fair it is a tanget off the Google idea of free gym and food.
My cousins Who works there enjoys it, but feels like he can never leave. Guys go in early for the gym but the discuss work. Guys stay back for dinner and discuss work.
It got to the Point where he had to do all this with the team it else he was missing out.

Bransons idea while cool sounding puts more responsibilty on the staff. They have to be sure the team is ahead, if not it puts everyone at risk.
The projects Who have Poor performance due to Poor teams are soon spotted .
It will mean the good staff will never feel happy to take holidays as there is really never a good time to not be there.

At least with the Google thing there's some investment by the company. Branson just seems to be subtly blackmailing staff into not taking holidays.

kurtainsider

A very sinister policy. Almost daring people to take their time off. Who's work is ever 100% done?

Especially in one of these "teams" that companies go on about. Stick one a**elicker in each "team" and very soon anyone who takes a day off is not a team player and will find themselves out the door in no time.

I would absolutely hate to have an employer put this cynical, mean policy on the table. Branson didn't get to be one of the richest people on the planet by being a nice guy and letting his staff have unlimited time off.

smurfjed

If you are in a job where this set-up would work to your advantage, then you are probably already on a list for the next round of layoffs.

We have busy periods and quiet periods, I presently get 150 days off per year, boss is quite happy to allow us take extra days off during quiet period. This way he gets a very content work force who do not mind working 20-30 hours duties when required.
We lose overtime for days off, but salary stays the same.

John Doe1

Ah jeez, he isnt even paying for their hotels and flights, what a tightass:p