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Notice from dog warden

  • 18-09-2014 6:14pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5


    I arrived home from work to find a notice from the dog warden telling me that I have 10 days to produce a current dog licence. I have two small dogs who probably barked the house down when he came to the door!, however, I don't have a dog licence and was wondering if I purchase 2 tomorrow will I get away without a fine? From reading the notice,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭Rips


    Having not read the letter, I suspect its a warning and you just have to buy a licence.

    What I would worry about however is why the warden called in the first place.

    I would wonder if your neighbours have reported you (dogs causing a disturbance or similar) and this is a first enforcement policy.

    You need to check how your dogs are doing being left at home during the day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Bike 5


    Unfortunately they are dated on day of purchase, post office clerk might oblige by backdating by one day. I think the fine is 100 per dog (i stand to be corrected on that)

    <snip>

    This forum must not be used to advocate, in any way, any form of illegal or dishonest activities.
    Do not reply to this edit on thread.
    Thanks,
    DBB


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Bike 5


    Hopefully your neighbours are not to blame, if they keep a log of a barking dog they can take you to court but hopefully its just a random spot check...Good luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    I don't know why you're cross about it - we're all supposed to have a licence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,150 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    boomerang wrote: »
    I don't know why you're cross about it - we're all supposed to have a licence?

    Are you cross siobhra?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭mymo


    Mine had run out last time warden called (every three years or so that I've met him), you get one within 14 days, call the number and they'll ask (sometimes) for the licence number.
    In my experience they do an area (so it seems in my small town, they call to everyone), they don't know if you have a licence or not, I proudly produced mine to find they were out a month. When I rang to say I got them, they just said that's fine, didn't even ask for licence number.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    OP, whilst they could fine you by the letter of the law, giving you several day's grace to go get your license is a tactic generally used by law-enforcement agencies to tactfully give you a chance to sort things out :)
    As long as you produce your new licences within the next few days, it's very unlikely to go any further, as the councils tend to view it as mission accomplished... Even if you didn't hold the licences the day the warden called.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Siobhra40


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Are you cross siobhra?

    I'm not cross!!! In fact I laughed when I saw it, I know I should have a license but it's one of those things that I've put on the long fingers, just like my TV licence... I don't think the neighbours would have reported me, but I'm not sure if the dogs bark much when I'm not there. Occasionally, I've sneaked in and could be home 30 minutes before they have noticed and not a peep out of them. I think they chase each other around a lot and then sleep a lot. They are small dogs and don't have a huge bark.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Siobhra40


    Thanks to all for the replies. I will get the licences tomorrow and hopefully I won't be fined. Sorry I haven't replied to all your messages but I'm new to this and haven't worked out how to do it. Must read the instructions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭belongtojazz


    I got a notice quite a while ago and got all paranoid that maybe my dogs were barking while I was out and upsetting my neighbours. So I posted on our local FB notice board asking if anyone else in the area had received a notice and pretty much every house in my estate had.

    I think they target an area and put notices through most doors in the hope they will get some people with dogs and they will buy a licence


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭boomerang


    Ah, so the red-faced, angry smiley means nothing then. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,428 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Siobhra40 wrote: »
    They are small dogs and don't have a huge bark.

    They're yappers, so? I'm a dog person, but the next door neighbour's dog is a champion yapper. Some days I'd happily load him into a catapult and fire him over the horizon...

    It's not the 'hugeness' of the bark. Quite the opposite, in fact. and the frequency. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭honerbright


    Dog wardens went to every house in my estate one day last week, red notices in every door looking for dog licences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    Live in the sticks and I've never seen them at all. 15 years here.

    I wont even mention whether the dogs have licences either...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,298 ✭✭✭martinr5232


    Dog wardens went to every house in my estate one day last week, red notices in every door looking for dog licences.

    Done the same in my estate the other day must be a great revenue generator.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    Had them call in the summer, they did the whole area - I normally purchase and renew online through the councils website - you get a reminder that way too.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Hmm, they were doing the rounds here in the northeast last week too... I wonder did someone put a national-sized bomb under their butts or something? :pac:
    They didn't call to me though, I think they strike out houses where they know the dogs are licensed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Toulouse


    Nothing at home in the Midlands that I've heard of anyway but mine are licenced.

    My Dad was trying to convince them to put 'Heinz 57' under breed for Polly the last time he renewed them ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,296 ✭✭✭✭gimmick


    boomerang wrote: »
    I don't know why you're cross about it - we're all supposed to have a licence?

    Law abiding perfect citizens of boards.ie strikes again :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    The did our area the week we got Bailey!

    I got two of the lifetime ones last year - one less thing to remember each year!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    What do we get in return for a dog license? I mean, at least with a tv license we got a few stations etc. It wouldn't be so bad if the licensing system at least involved some kind of vetting system that prevented people with animal cruelty convictions from ownership or went some way towards tackling the problem of puppy farms etc but as far as I can see it's just a revenue generator - does anyone know what they do with the money?

    Edit: I thought they were more than twenty euro! I see you can get a lifetime one for 400, so depending on breed this might be more economical but who tf wants to jinx lucky? :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Aimeee


    tk123 wrote: »
    The did our area the week we got Bailey!

    I got two of the lifetime ones last year - one less thing to remember each year!!

    Hire much is a lifetime licence?
    Didn't know such a thing existed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Aimeee wrote: »
    Hire much is a lifetime licence?
    Didn't know such a thing existed.


    140

    http://www.anpost.ie/AnPost/MainContent/Personal+Customers/More+from+An+Post/Dog+Licence/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Edit: I thought they were more than twenty euro! I see you can get a lifetime one for 400, so depending on breed this might be more economical but who tf wants to jinx lucky? :(

    The lifetime on is €140. The €400 one is for kennels etc...

    EDIT - i thought I paid €120 for mine though? Maybe they're gone up - another reason to get the lifetime one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭happywithlife


    Individual licence is €20
    General licence (for kennel owners etc) is €400
    And a lifetime licence (for the individual dogs lifetime - tough luck afaik if doggie expires next month) is €120


    Stand to be corrected of course but think they are the figures :-)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    tk123 wrote: »
    The lifetime on is €140. The €400 one is for kennels etc...

    EDIT - i thought I paid €120 for mine though? Maybe they're gone up - another reason to get the lifetime one!

    Sorry, typo. Like everything I guess they are creeping steadily up. I remember when they were 13 euro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    I had a vicious little dog come at my two a while back and I let it go. Next time that guy crosses me I plan on calling the warden and hit him where it hurts - he has 4 dogs lol!! >;D €€€€


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭sadie06


    Siobhra40 wrote: »
    They are small dogs and don't have a huge bark.

    I'm sorry to say Siobhra, but most people (myself included) would find a small dog's bark far more irritating if barking constantly, than a large dog's bark. It could be that your neighbours are being bothered by barking, but surely they would have approached you first.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    gimmick wrote: »
    Law abiding perfect citizens of boards.ie strikes again :rolleyes:

    Can we drop the references to the op being angry, please? OP put an angry smiley in the thread title, so any enquiries as to their anger seem perfectly legit to me.
    Do not reply to this post on-thread.
    Thanks.
    DBB


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    What do we get in return for a dog license? I mean, at least with a tv license we got a few stations etc. It wouldn't be so bad if the licensing system at least involved some kind of vetting system that prevented people with animal cruelty convictions from ownership or went some way towards tackling the problem of puppy farms etc but as far as I can see it's just a revenue generator - does anyone know what they do with the money?

    They take stray dogs in off the street, thus performing an important public health and safety role, as well as keeping the dog safe (though in some pound's cases, I wonder would the dogs have been safer if left wandering the streets :o)
    The wardens also enforce the dog breeding establishments legislation, and will be enforcing the new welfare legislation amongst others. They also carry out inspections of commercial kennels.
    So, the license fee does go towards funding important services that might often go unnoticed unless one reads court reports and annual reports published by their local county councils.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    DBB wrote: »
    They take stray dogs in off the street, thus performing an important public health and safety role, as well as keeping the dog safe (though in some pound's cases, I wonder would the dogs have been safer if left wandering the streets :o)
    The wardens also enforce the dog breeding establishments legislation, and will be enforcing the new welfare legislation amongst others. They also carry out inspections of commercial kennels.
    So, the license fee does go towards funding important services that might often go unnoticed unless one reads court reports and annual reports published by their local county councils.


    I doubt that.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    However like all government taxes, the percentage of the dog liecense is likely to be spent propping up the exchequer and only in small part for the purpose stated. The odd time I've contacted such no answer on the phone, likely collecting monies.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Manach wrote: »
    However like all government taxes, the percentage of the dog liecense is likely to be spent propping up the exchequer and only in small part for the purpose stated. The odd time I've contacted such no answer on the phone, likely collecting monies.

    To be ignored, press 1...


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    I doubt that.

    Whilst it was meant as a tongue-in-cheek comment, there are some pounds in the country that leave an enormous amount to be desired in terms of animal welfare and the service they provide to the public.
    Manach wrote: »
    However like all government taxes, the percentage of the dog liecense is likely to be spent propping up the exchequer and only in small part for the purpose stated. The odd time I've contacted such no answer on the phone, likely collecting monies.

    I was at a seminar last year where one of the better county vets presented a comprehensive breakdown of how much is collected in license monies, and where every penny of them is spent. Unless he was lying, every penny collected from license fees goes back to running the pound service.
    As an employee of a government body who also collect license monies, I know for certain that every penny of the licences in our instance goes back into the service.
    I won't speak for any other license-money generating services other than these, but I think this idea that all monies are being used to prop up the exchequer is a tad simplistic, and in the cases I'm aware of, just plain misleading. Indeed, nationally, the county pound services are running at a deficit every year, partly due to the fact that the uptake of dog licences is estimated to be only about 30% nationally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    DBB wrote: »
    Whilst it was meant as a tongue-in-cheek comment, there are some pounds in the country that leave an enormous amount to be desired in terms of animal welfare and the service they provide to the public.

    I'm not disputing that, but the life of a stray is hardly any better. An unneutered female coming into season and at the mercy of other dogs. Road accidents. Illness. Abuse. Hunger. Harsh weather conditions.

    I'm (regrettably) sure that next month's Hallowe'en will bring the usual spate of unspeakable acts of cruelty to animals who have nobody to defend them.

    I accept that pounds are hardly ideal either and there is a shameful amount of healthy dogs PTS every year (it's something we should be ashamed of as a country tbh and fair play to the few charities who do try to foster out dogs until they are re-homed) but the odds are never in the dogs favour.

    Neither situation is ideal...and I am not getting into a contest about it on a Friday afternoon :)


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    I'm not disputing that, but the life of a stray is hardly any better. An unneutered female coming into season and at the mercy of other dogs. Road accidents. Illness. Abuse. Hunger. Harsh weather conditions.

    I'm (regrettably) sure that next month's Hallowe'en will bring the usual spate of unspeakable acts of cruelty to animals who have nobody to defend them.

    I accept that pounds are hardly ideal either and there is a shameful amount of healthy dogs PTS every year (it's something we should be ashamed of as a country tbh and fair play to the few charities who do try to foster out dogs until they are re-homed) but the odds are never in the dogs favour.

    Neither situation is ideal...and I am not getting into a contest about it on a Friday afternoon :)

    Which all goes to show the the dog license monies do go towards a worthwhile service after all.
    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Siobhra40


    boomerang wrote: »
    Ah, so the red-faced, angry smiley means nothing then. :D

    Sorry boomerang, I thought it was a 'sad' smiley, need new glasses? I got 2 licences today and posted them to the local council. Hopefully that's the last I hear from the dog warden. The dogs look more relaxed now that the're legal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 Siobhra40


    DBB wrote: »
    They take stray dogs in off the street, thus performing an important public health and safety role, as well as keeping the dog safe (though in some pound's cases, I wonder would the dogs have been safer if left wandering the streets :o)
    The wardens also enforce the dog breeding establishments legislation, and will be enforcing the new welfare legislation amongst others. They also carry out inspections of commercial kennels.
    So, the license fee does go towards funding important services that might often go unnoticed unless one reads court reports and annual reports published by their local county councils.

    I hadn't thought about what the license fee was used for. As an animal lover I'm feeling a bit guilty now. There are a lot of dogs out there in terrible situations and I now see it as my little contribution towards employing someone to look out for them. Although, I'm not sure how I feel about something council pounds?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭sparky63


    I didn't know either what the license fee funded. I suspect most owners think the fee goes towards the exchequer as mentioned earlier. It's typical of our government to expect people to pay taxes without taking the bother to educate people as to what the various taxes go towards. Now please don't tell me to google it, as i shouldn't have to. I would like to see a major advertising campaign on tv that this money goes towards animal welfare societies, assuming it does.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,795 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    sparky63 wrote: »
    I would like to see a major advertising campaign on tv that this money goes towards animal welfare societies, assuming it does.

    It doesn't go to animal welfare societies. It funds the pound and warden service, and amongst other things, the wardens are on of the groups of officers authorised to enforce the new Animal Welfare Act.
    Animal welfare societies are generally privately funded, though they may get a small amount of public funding from the Dept of Ag every year.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭sparky63


    Wardens look after animal welfare too and my point is that if people that do not license there pets could see that the money partly or wholly contributes towards animal welfare would be more inclined to license.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭Aimeee


    Thank you for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Our local warden covers an area about forty miles long by forty miles wide. The cost of providing an equipped van and daily running costs, plus the cost of running the actual pound, dodge food, cleaning products, plus the cost of his wages plus all pension levies etc, and I highly doubt that the licences in the area cover costs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭oldtart


    Mycroft H wrote: »
    Live in the sticks and I've never seen them at all. 15 years here.

    I wont even mention whether the dogs have licences either...

    I've no dog licence and my dogs seem to bark just as well without one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 451 ✭✭doubter


    Siobhra40 wrote: »
    I arrived home from work to find a notice from the dog warden telling me that I have 10 days to produce a current dog licence. I have two small dogs who probably barked the house down when he came to the door!, however, I don't have a dog licence and was wondering if I purchase 2 tomorrow will I get away without a fine? From reading the notice,

    Happened to me too, but when i bought them and showed them warden was fine.
    I don't think there will be any fine, but do indeed make sure to check why the warden came.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭daUbiq


    oldtart wrote: »
    I've no dog licence and my dogs seem to bark just as well without one.

    Why don't you get one?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Ashbx


    A dog licence is 20 euro for an entire year....if you can afford a dog, you can afford a dogs licence!


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