True believer

The thread about poster that annoy you got me thinking of this.

You know the kind of poster with either strong views or nutty obsessions, they tend to have strong opinions on and post on subjects such as

welfare

lone parents

immigration in to Ireland

sinn fein

water meter activism

liberalism.

simmering dislike of women/Irish women.

Tax's/its always better some where else.

I hate this country/hate GAA ect

D4 obsessed or scumbag obsessed

I never benefitted from the Celtic tiger.

Developers/the wealthy /the government bla bla.

Public servants.

Crime.


Are they true believers with absolutely no insight/ not capable of a nuanced view. Or do they do have some insight in to their opnions and AH/boards is just a way of letting of steam.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Am I bovvered tho

ScumLord

You forgot drugs! There's a new thread here every week how could you forget?

BeerWolf

Akrasia

It's the Dunning Kruger effect.

There are some very narrow minded people out there who have, lets say, limited cognitive abilities, and these people are too 'limited' to know how little they actually know, so they are overly confident in their prejudices. They're also incapable grasping the fact that reality is complex and everything isn't always either black or white.

I find the more intelligent, thoughtful people tend to be a lot less strident in their beliefs, or at the very least, are more open minded and willing to examine their own beliefs and listen to other points of view

catallus

Where is the weekly drug thread btw?

hal9000

catallus wrote: »

Where is the weekly drug thread btw?

Its busy scrapping with the "Dole are scummers" thread for hitting on the "Irish Wimmenz are bitches" thread.

ScumLord

Akrasia wrote: »

There are some very narrow minded people out there who have, lets say, limited cognitive abilities, and these people are too 'limited' to know how little they actually know, so they are overly confident in their prejudices. They're also incapable grasping the fact that reality is complex and everything isn't always either black or white.

Is this irony?

kneemos

Jesus Christ.

In some ways it must be nice to be sure you are 100% right about your opinions and never have to trouble your brain with the complex realties of various situation's.

nelly17

The Fob delusion

Grayson

Akrasia wrote: »

It's the Dunning Kruger effect.

There are some very narrow minded people out there who have, lets say, limited cognitive abilities, and these people are too 'limited' to know how little they actually know, so they are overly confident in their prejudices. They're also incapable grasping the fact that reality is complex and everything isn't always either black or white.

I find the more intelligent, thoughtful people tend to be a lot less strident in their beliefs, or at the very least, are more open minded and willing to examine their own beliefs and listen to other points of view

Intelligent people can be just as belligerent but they will tend to put more thought into their arguments. Normally you'll see them trying to draw someone into a discussion. They'll think that if they can engage someone rationally then they can make their point.

That assumes that the person you're arguing with is rational. Some people out there aren't.

catallus

kneemos wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

Indeed.

"There was only ever one true Christian, and he was nailed to a cross."

Galwayguy35

mariaalice wrote: »

In some ways it must be nice to be sure you are 100% right about your opinions and never have to trouble your brain with the complex realties of various situation's.

It must be seeing as you seem to think you are 100% right and people with a different view have it all wrong.

catallus

catallus wrote: »

Indeed.

"There was only ever one true Christian, and he was nailed to a cross."

I had forgotten aggressive atheism and or the catholic church is the purvey of all evil in the world ( or maybe just in Ireland )

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

It must be seeing as you seem to think you are 100% right and people with a different view have it all wrong.

Absolutely not, I have opinions but I am open to different argument and I fully understand how complex most issue are.

kneemos

mariaalice wrote: »

Absolutely not, I have opinions but I am open to different argument and I fully understand how complex most issue are.

I agree.

Links234

Akrasia wrote: »

It's the Dunning Kruger effect.

I thought I understood the Dunning Kruger effect, but the more I read up on it the less I think I got it

catallus

mariaalice wrote: »

Absolutely not, I have opinions but I am open to different argument and I fully understand how complex most issue are.

Really?

Fully?

Intellectual vanity, my favourite kind :P

ScumLord

catallus wrote: »

Indeed.

"There was only ever one true Christian, and he was nailed to a cross."

Plus he was Jewish. So even he wasn't that good at being Christian.

dd972

You forgot Travellers and LGBT people on your list OP.

I don't think its only to do with intelligence either, for example I am sure Ian Paisley was an intelligent man in the academic sense, but that did not stop him from being a bigot.

Having an opinion is not the same as having a completely and utter belief you are right.

kneemos

Those that read a brief article about a criminal case and instantly become legal experts as well as predictors of future behaviour are the most irritating.

Akrasia

Links234 wrote: »

I thought I understood the Dunning Kruger effect, but the more I read up on it the less I think I got it

I'll explain it to you if you like, I know everything about the donning krugler effect.

holystungun9

ScumLord wrote: »

You forgot drugs! There's a new thread here every week how could you forget?

Because op is on drugs! He put it on the list and then for all paranoid

not yet

mariaalice wrote: »

The thread about poster that annoy you got me thinking of this.

You know the kind of poster with either strong views or nutty obsessions, they tend to have strong opinions on and post on subjects such as

welfare

lone parents

immigration in to Ireland

sinn fein

water meter activism

liberalism.

simmering dislike of women/Irish women.

Tax's/its always better some where else.

I hate this country/hate GAA ect

D4 obsessed or scumbag obsessed

I never benefitted from the Celtic tiger.

Developers/the wealthy /the government bla bla.

Public servants.

Crime.


Are they true believers with absolutely no insight/ not capital of a nuanced view. Or do they do have some insight in to their opnions and AH/boards is just a way of letting of steam.

There's an old saying that If you cannot pick out the fool in the room in 2 min, the fool is you....

Just saying..

dodderangler

catallus wrote: »

Where is the weekly drug thread btw?

Been replaced with spiders

Calibos

mariaalice wrote: »

I had forgotten aggressive atheism and or the catholic church is the purvey of all evil in the world ( or maybe just in Ireland )

Cheers, I'd also forgotten about the annoying people who go on about aggressive atheists.

Calibos

Akrasia wrote: »

It's the Dunning Kruger effect.

There are some very narrow minded people out there who have, lets say, limited cognitive abilities, and these people are too 'limited' to know how little they actually know, so they are overly confident in their prejudices. They're also incapable grasping the fact that reality is complex and everything isn't always either black or white.

I find the more intelligent, thoughtful people tend to be a lot less strident in their beliefs, or at the very least, are more open minded and willing to examine their own beliefs and listen to other points of view

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

Bertrand Russell

bone_dry

bone_dry wrote: »

post smacks of liberal intellectual conceit

implies a minority view on this site ( conservative socially and economically ) is the " wrong " way of thinking

It not about wrong or right its about seeing shades of grey and having an understanding of the complexity of the issues.

super_furry

All Saints - Shaznay or Melanie?

I thing you are being a little bit unfair to most reasonable posters, saying you are uneasy about something is not really an answer you need something more definite than that...... that like saying I base my opinions on my gut instincts.

I do take your point and accusations of racism sexism etc are often used as way of trying to shut up a poster.

KomradeBishop

A common thing between many 'true believers' of this type, is that they try to promote ignorance among other people, by using logical fallacies as a guide to argument (to fool/deceive people), instead of trying to avoid fallacies.
To try and justify this when called out on it, they usually just accuse their opponents of doing the same thing, and continue on with fallacies - i.e. they try to pull down the standard of argument to a gutter-level that allows fallacies with emotive rhetoric, because that's the only level they can avoid defeat.

They almost always try to deny the validity of evidence in one form or another as well - or try to present their own manufactured 'evidence', that comes from a source that isn't impartial (i.e. which usually has a massive conflict of interest) - this is usually a veiled form denialism of science/evidence, that they try to pass as scientific skepticism; this type of denialism, is almost always essential for trying to pass off their views as being credible.


There's a whole field of study for this, called Agnotology (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnotology). What I find most interesting about it, is what are peoples motives for peddling nonsense like this?

A lot of the time, it comes down to someones self-esteem/ego being overly invested in a particular belief, e.g. on abortion, someones motive for being strongly 'pro-life', may be due to their ego being overly invested in religious belief.
Another example, would be someone investing years of time and/or money into learning something that is pseudo-science/woo, and not being able to face up to the fact that what they learned is nonsense - so they engage in the 'sunk-cost fallacy' (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment), where they have such low self-esteem that they double-down on their beliefs, instead of letting go

Sometimes though, the motive can be financial as well - like the way that on economic topics, almost everybody who promotes economic/political views/ideologies/policies, that enable/decriminalize/promote fraud in banking/finance/executive-level-business, almost always come from or are on their way to working in that part of the economy.
Even that can tie into ego though, e.g. they may still have to believe they are a 'good' person, despite what they promote; with some though, it's about deceiving others into believing this - and you can spot them, if it becomes obvious that they don't even believe their own arguments.