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Feel really let down.

  • 14-09-2014 8:48pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭


    This is a very long story so please bear with me.

    I started a job (for a woman on maternity leave) last March. I got on really well in the company. The boss was regularly singing my praises and saying how I was an asset there and how much they all really liked me. I was informed by the Deputy and the boss about an upcoming job. They would often approach me about it and advise me to apply and say 'it's highly likely you'll get this', 'you would be perfect for it', 'we all love you here' etc etc. We got Summer holidays and directly afterwards I was called by the deputy and she was wondering whether or not I was applying for permanent employment. I said I was happy in the school and if there were prospects for permanency in that school then I would be delighted to stay. She again said how I would be great for the position and that they would love for me to stay. I was also promised the position by the boss a month prior to this.

    We got back to school. The position had been advertised at this point and the boss approached me to say ''have you applied yet? I'm beginning to get worried etc etc''. I assured her I would have my application in. Roll on the interviews and I prepared so much for this interview. I felt confident and felt like I did a good interview (rarely would feel that way). I got a call the following night to say she had some bad news. I came third. Another girl (already in the place) got the position and an outsider got a temporary contract. I can't help but feel totally betrayed. I was led to believe the position was mine. I have done everything in my power to work so hard there and then this happens. I honestly don't feel comfortable even working there. I got to keep the original position (due to being 3rd) however, this ends at Easter. I was offered another job since (better prospects) and I feel like accepting it. Does this make me seem like I'm running away? Has this every happened to anyone before? I'm so shocked that people can lie and tell someone (guarantee someone) a position they cannot deliver on. I didn't apply for other positions due to being told I was going to get the job and now feel silly. I guess everything happens for a reason but it's hard not to be upset.
    Thanks guys.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    it is a hard break, but is there any chance that someone higher up again had a different agenda and wouldn't go with your bosses choice of you for reasons best known to themselves?

    if you're really interested in the new offer then you should accept it, with your head held high. you've done nothing wrong.

    best of luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,695 ✭✭✭December2012


    How can you have been guaranteed the position if it was to be advertised?

    It seems like they were encouraging you to apply, and not that the job was a foregone conclusion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Brego888


    I'd echo what December said. You weren't guaranteed anything at all as the job was also advertised externally. The other two were obviously more qualified or did better interviews. If imagine you probably heard lots of talk like "oh you'll definitely get it" "you are a shoe in for this" but surely you were aware that this just couldn't be the case as there were others applying.

    The disappointment I'm sure is hard to take but looking at it objectively it doesn't look like you were betrayed or let down by the school at all.
    Don't leave because of it but if the other offer is better for your career then take it. Setting your disappointment aside do what's best for you in the long term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I was offered another job since (better prospects) and I feel like accepting it. Does this make me seem like I'm running away?
    At the end of the day you are just a number on the payroll, you have been offered a new job with better job prospects and opportunities then why not go with that. You don't owe your current employer anything.
    I remember a friend of mine quitting her job to go travelling and when she came back the same company offered her old job back. However the money wasn't great, I sent her a few jobs to apply for that offered better money and opportunities, but she wouldn't apply for them as she felt the company she worked for had been very good to give her the old job back!! Year later the recession hit and company closed down and she ended up working for minimum wage!! So lesson to learn is look after numero uno yourself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    As things stand you'll be out of work come Easter. If this other job is better then you'd be mad not to take it.

    I don't know where you're getting this idea about running away from. Why not look at it as "you wouldn't give me a job so I'm taking one elsewhere". If I was one of your colleagues reading this I'd think you were an eejit for even thinking about staying. As you've learned, the workplace can be a cruel place sometimes. You owe them nothing. Don't ever forget that. As the poster above me rightly says, look after numero uno. Nobody else will.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Your were encouraged by your boss to apply for a permanent employment with them.
    Since then they give this job to another person.
    After this you started to apply for jobs and you have been offered a job now with better prospects. Why would you stay in your present job which ends at Easter?

    The reality is that you they did not offer you a permanent job when they could have.
    They can't expect you to stay here to suit them. I would just accept this new job.
    I would then give your boss a letter saying the you wish to finish on such a date as you have been offered a new job and thank them for the chance you had to work for them.

    I would agree with the other posts here at you have to think of number one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭sashafierce


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    This is a very long story so please bear with me.

    I started a job (for a woman on maternity leave) last March. I got on really well in the company. The boss was regularly singing my praises and saying how I was an asset there and how much they all really liked me. I was informed by the Deputy and the boss about an upcoming job. They would often approach me about it and advise me to apply and say 'it's highly likely you'll get this', 'you would be perfect for it', 'we all love you here' etc etc. We got Summer holidays and directly afterwards I was called by the deputy and she was wondering whether or not I was applying for permanent employment. I said I was happy in the school and if there were prospects for permanency in that school then I would be delighted to stay. She again said how I would be great for the position and that they would love for me to stay. I was also promised the position by the boss a month prior to this.

    We got back to school. The position had been advertised at this point and the boss approached me to say ''have you applied yet? I'm beginning to get worried etc etc''. I assured her I would have my application in. Roll on the interviews and I prepared so much for this interview. I felt confident and felt like I did a good interview (rarely would feel that way). I got a call the following night to say she had some bad news. I came third. Another girl (already in the place) got the position and an outsider got a temporary contract. I can't help but feel totally betrayed. I was led to believe the position was mine. I have done everything in my power to work so hard there and then this happens. I honestly don't feel comfortable even working there. I got to keep the original position (due to being 3rd) however, this ends at Easter. I was offered another job since (better prospects) and I feel like accepting it. Does this make me seem like I'm running away? Has this every happened to anyone before? I'm so shocked that people can lie and tell someone (guarantee someone) a position they cannot deliver on. I didn't apply for other positions due to being told I was going to get the job and now feel silly. I guess everything happens for a reason but it's hard not to be upset.
    Thanks guys.

    Employment in ireland is completely full of sh1t in my experience, and you are much better off not believing anything of what you are told. They would like to make up numbers for interviewing, so everything you hear is just fake BS. That is unfortunately how it is.

    Apply for positions based on what you want yourself, as the managers or employers don't actually care if you didn't apply for anything else. The reason this happens is because of the inability culturally to be direct with what is and is not possible with your job.

    Next time, you will be prepared.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,218 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I get the impression that your a teacher/SNA from your post.
    This happened to a friend of mine a couple of years ago. She finished up college as a mature student and started looking for work. She did a couple of days of subbing here and there and in the month of November she started working in a school for a teacher that was ill. The following October the person was still working in the school and the staff member she was covering for retired. So a permanent job became available.
    My friend was encouraged to apply for the job. Which she did.
    However there was another woman in the school who was working there for a couple of years. She was on a temporary contract over these years. This woman was really encouraged to apply for the job and she thought she was certain to get it.
    My friend got the job because her CV was a lot stronger and she worked with kids in her previous job and she got excellent results in college. The next day in school the other woman was really bitter about not getting the job and she couldn't understand why.
    A couple of months later the woman got another permanent job that came up in the school. What I'm basically saying is your never garranreed anything and people will always encourage you to do your best and you don't know what kind of experience/qualifications the other person has.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Jobs in schools are interviewed under a points based system, if someone has a masters, more years experience etc they are going to score higher than you. I'm not sure as to how the points are allocated exactly but you aren't going to get a job ahead of someone better for the position as deemed by this interview system regardless of having already worked and being well liked in the same school.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Take the other job and congratulations!! Just out this behind you, we all get disappointed at times. Realistically the job was never yours, and now you have a better opportunity, so move forward with a smile on your face!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,347 ✭✭✭LynnGrace


    It's natural to feel disappointed when you feel that you were well prepared, and did a good interview, but didn't get the job. So, don't be hard on yourself for that, it's human nature. In any interview situation, one never really knows what the other candidates are like, and what they have to offer. Take the good points from the experience, get feedback from the interviewers, and move forward from there.
    As others have said, upthread, look after number one. If the other job has better prospects, suits you location wise, and so on, then take it. Leave on good terms with your current employer, and very best of luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,723 ✭✭✭rock22


    Wayitgoes wrote: »
    Jobs in schools are interviewed under a points based system, if someone has a masters, more years experience etc they are going to score higher than you. I'm not sure as to how the points are allocated exactly but you aren't going to get a job ahead of someone better for the position as deemed by this interview system regardless of having already worked and being well liked in the same school.

    Exactly. I assume a job in a public school although similar system might apply in a private school. Why should you be employed ahead of another candidate who is better qualified?
    It is usual to encourage temporary staff to apply for any permanent positions which occur. But encouragement does not mean "guaranteeing" you would get the job.


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