Ya Pack of Savages.

kneemos

Having seen some of the pictures from the middle east and similar images of mutilation and machete killings from Africa do you think we are all capable of such things depending on the circumstances?
The two world wars and our own civil war I'm sure bred similar kinds of killings,though the carving up and chopping does seem to be particularly barbaric.

Maybe it's war and the lack of normal protocols that allows people to behave in such a manner or perhaps it's lurking underneath in us all.
What ye think?

catallus

The question is why wouldn't it be?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Look at the brutal killings in the north, like the savage beating to death of 2 soldiers who drove into a funeral cortege a number bof years back. I'm never surprised any more by the inhuman cruelty so called modern humans are capable of?

Oink

To quote another boardsie's signature: we're all 9 meals away from anarchy.

I can give no guarantees as to what kind of animal I would turn into if I had to survive in Syria.

somuj

We're still only animals no matter how civilised we like to think we have become.

Mint Aero

I'm enamel too.

somuj

manimals

whiskeyman

Plenty of nut jobs around who don't give a flying f$#k what they do to another human.

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/butcher-who-cut-off-artists-fingers-during-breakin-is-jailed-for-16-years-26788137.html

Vandango

Ishaan Hallowed Mine wrote: »

Look at the brutal killings in the north, like the savage beating to death of 2 soldiers who drove into a funeral cortege a number bof years back. I'm never surprised any more by the inhuman cruelty so called modern humans are capable of?

Savages? An undercover unit 'stray' into a funeral at speed and then start waving guns about. And this right after the Michael Stone rampage. It was a tragic episode in The Troubles, but the reaction of the crowd was almost to be expected in light of the recent Loyalist attacks on funerals. Those unfortunate men were beaten and shot, nobody was killed by a machete or chopped up. Which is after all what the OP was referring to.

Now if you want to find real savages. The look no further that the Loyalist Shankill Butchers, who you conveniently overlooked. Now they specialised in slicing and dicing their victims. Somehow I'm guessing if they belonged to the Republican/Nationalist side, you mightn't have suffered such an oversight.

wiseoldelf34

and don't forget the Mexicans too.
they love a good beheading and dismembering

recylingbin

Ishaan Hallowed Mine wrote: »

Look at the brutal killings in the north, like the savage beating to death of 2 soldiers who drove into a funeral cortege a number bof years back. I'm never surprised any more by the inhuman cruelty so called modern humans are capable of?

yeah, erm you're misremembering that incident just a li...lot.

DEFTLEFTHAND

wiseoldelf34 wrote: »

and don't forget the Mexicans too.
they love a good beheading and dismembering

Those cartels are scary mofos indeed. Particularly the way they've no qualms about killing rivals wives and children to get even. They don't limit it to people involved in their world like most other criminal organisations do, nothing is taboo for these dogs.

Bepolite

Islamic extremists see 'infidels' in a similar way to most people see peodphiles - ask yourself what you'd do to a pedo that had touched your kids and you've your answer.

I also love the west wing episode where they compare Islamic extremists to the KKK, again just goes to show it doesn't matter what religion you are it's the human condition.

Custardpi

Human beings are driven by the power of ideas, particularly those which appear dominant &/or authoritative within a particular context. Present most people with a particular idea/suggestion, no matter how horrible within a plausible cultural context & a great many of them will behave appallingly. Read up on the Milgram Experiment for instance.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Vandango wrote: »

Savages? An undercover unit 'stray' into a funeral at speed and then start waving guns about. And this right after the Michael Stone rampage. It was a tragic episode in The Troubles, but the reaction of the crowd was almost to be expected in light of the recent Loyalist attacks on funerals. Those unfortunate men were beaten and shot, nobody was killed by a machete or chopped up. Which is after all what the OP was referring to.

Now if you want to find real savages. The look no further that the Loyalist Shankill Butchers, who you conveniently overlooked. Now they specialised in slicing and dicing their victims. Somehow I'm guessing if they belonged to the Republican/Nationalist side, you mightn't have suffered such an oversight.

I'm not dedating one savage attack versus another. The OP asked about savagery and I gave but one example - the results of which I was unfortunate enough to see first hand and these particular men were not simply beaten then shot. All you have done is confirm that human beings can be brutal. Who does what to whom using what is immaterial. Let's not turn this into a debate on which side was more brutal, as brutality and savagery are not scalable once we take that step too far.

bnt

In war, you're not fighting people, you're fighting "the enemy". De-humanising "the enemy" is a fundamental part of a soldier's indoctrination. Ditto for religiously-motivated terrorism, in which it's OK to kill those whose beliefs are "wrong" - that makes them inferior to you and therefore OK to kill.

somuj

Killing to get what people want is normal. Always has been, always will be. We even pay politicians to do it on a global scale.

Unless we condition every future infant to abhore the idea of violence or murder it will always be part of us.

If it was not we would have been extinct before civilisation even began. The guy who killed and stole from his neighbour in the cave down the hill to feed his kids had a lot more free time to do other things.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

somuj wrote: »

Killing to get what people want is normal. Always has been, always will be. We even pay politicians to do it on a global scale.

Unless we condition every future infant to abhore the idea of violence or murder it will always be part of us.

If it was not we would have been extinct before civilisation even began. The guy who killed and stole from his neighbour in the cave down the hill to feed his kids had a lot more free time to do other things.

That shows a complete misunderstanding of neolithic culture as any anthropologist will tell you. But that's a debate for another day.

somuj

Ishaan Hallowed Mine wrote: »

That shows a complete misunderstanding of neolithic culture as any anthropologist will tell you. But that's a debate for another day.

Your post shows a complete misunderstanding of my post as anybody that can read will tell you. But that's a debate for another day.

*no mention of neolithic culture*

catallus

somuj wrote: »

Killing to get what people want is normal. Always has been, always will be. We even pay politicians to do it on a global scale.

This is right; the condition of peace and relative safety is not a default condition; it takes a lot of time and effort to get things that way. Lucky us, we live in a nice safe place at a nice safe time.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

somuj wrote: »

Your post shows a complete misunderstanding of my post as anybody that can read will tell you. But that's a debate for another day.

*no mention of neolithic culture*

.....would have been extinct before civilisation even began. The guy who killed and stole from his neighbour in the cave......



Bye so!

catallus

All this stuff is in the bible anyways!

somuj

Ishaan Hallowed Mine wrote: »

.....would have been extinct before civilisation even began. The guy who killed and stole from his neighbour in the cave......



Bye so!

Neolithic = new stone age. Circa 10,000 BC (gobelki tepe might change this).

Manimals residing in caves long before this.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

somuj wrote: »

Neolithic = new stone age. Circa 10,000 BC (gobelki tepe might change this).

Manimals residing in caves long before this.

OK let's clear this historical inaccuracy up; Palaeolithic Neanderthal people or Cro-Magnon early humans did not reside in caves and appear to have survived by cooperation.


Definitely Bye this time.

somuj

Ishaan Hallowed Mine wrote: »

OK let's clear this historical inaccuracy up; Palaeolithic Neanderthal people or Cro-Magnon early humans did not reside in caves and appear to have survived by cooperation.


Definitely Bye this time.

Earliest know cave paintings in Europe alone date back some 30,000 years.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

somuj wrote: »

Earliest know cave paintings in Europe alone date back some 30,000 years.

They did not live in caves!!! That is a comic book image based on the use of caves for ceremony and the fact that they decorated some caves! Oh give me strength!!!

catallus

How do you know the comics aren't an accurate historical depiction? If they can draw them on cave-walls all that long ago?

Petroglyphs, hello?

kneemos

catallus wrote: »

How do you know the comics aren't an accurate historical depiction? If they can draw them on cave-walls all that long ago?

Petroglyphs, hello?

Oh hello.

catallus

kneemos wrote: »

Oh hello.

I know you started typing something there and then deleted it. :pac:

Let us have it!

kneemos

catallus wrote: »

I know you started typing something there and then deleted it. :pac:

Let us have it!

No just that.

whatdoicare

Oh ghod no, we in civilised Ireland would never do such extremist things as kill hundreds of babies, rape, sell and abuse children and butcher women in the name of religion.........



Ahem.

DLMA23

The fact that the Holocaust occurred, Pol Pot's regime in Cambodia, the Rwandan genocide between the Tsutsi & the Hutu's or the Bosnian conflict etc., only goes to show that mankind is the most savage species populating this planet

catallus

It's way too easy to say humans are the most savage. Are we not also the most noble?

kneemos

catallus wrote: »

It's way too easy to say humans are the most savage. Are we not also the most noble?

That's pretty much the point I was getting at.Nobleness is easy when you have a comfortable life,but when conditions become extreme or when we are allowed will we revert to savages?

Bepolite

There's a great dramamenatary (channel 4 IIRC) about a power cut that goes on for 7 days. It's very well done and shows just how close to the brink we really are IMO.

kneemos

Bepolite wrote: »

There's a great dramamenatary (channel 4 IIRC) about a power cut that goes on for 7 days. It's very well done and shows just how close to the brink we really are IMO.

It begs the question is it our Gods that lay down the laws considering what we're like on our own.

Bepolite

kneemos wrote: »

It begs the question is it our Gods that lay down the laws considering what we're like on our own.

One could argue the grundnorm - in what ever form you prefer - God, sececlar natural law etc. defualts back to the survival of the fitest.

somuj

Ishaan Hallowed Mine wrote: »

They did not live in caves!!! That is a comic book image based on the use of caves for ceremony and the fact that they decorated some caves! Oh give me strength!!!

The rich ones did.

You seem very vexed. Would you care to lay your head down in my cave and relax for a while?

wiseoldelf34

DLMA23 wrote: »

The fact that Pol Pot's regime in Cambodia, the Rwandan genocide between the Tsutsi & the Hutu's or the Bosnian conflict etc., only goes to show that mankind is the most sa

vage species populating this planet

fyp