Dublin pint!

peking97

Was in Dublin yesterday and decided to treat myself to a Dublin pint.
(I lived there for a few years in the seventies.)
Opted for O'Donohue's on Merrion Row as it was closest to my itinerary.
Couldn't believe what the barman put up in front of me.
Absolutely stunned!!....so much so that I made no comment or complaint.
He seemed to be filling it as if he were pouring a coke..no settling time and no second pour..unbelievable!!
And it wasn't just mine, he filled several the same way while I was there.
Needless to say I didn't order a second one.
Surely this can't be normal ??.. because if it is then a lot has changed (for the worse) since I left Dublin.

drumswan

I assume you are talking about Guinness? I might start drinking there if they pour pints in one go, what a waste of time the ridiculous "two part pour" is.

miamee

Most bars still do the two part pour, etc. Plenty of other establishments along that stretch to choose from

peking97

miamee wrote: »

Most bars still do the two part pour, etc. Plenty of other establishments along that stretch to choose from

That's good to hear but unfortunately I backed a loser!

peking97

drumswan wrote: »

I assume you are talking about Guinness? I might start drinking there if they pour pints in one go, what a waste of time the ridiculous "two part pour" is.

I respect your opinion but obviously I couldn't disagree more!

endacl

peking97 wrote: »

I respect your right to your opinion but obviously I couldn't disagree more!

Slight adjustment.

martinn123

What you describe is sacrilege, I would not part with any cash, unless......the following...

Report this to Guinness........immediately...:(

Dancor

martinn123 wrote: »

What you describe is sacrilege, I would not part with any cash, unless......the following...

Report this to Guinness........immediately...:(

The bleeding size of the head on that pint!

AnonoBoy

Much as I like the tradition of the two part pour it really doesn't make any difference to the taste does it?

Beano

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Much as I like the tradition of the two part pour it really doesn't make any difference to the taste does it?

it does affect the beer. you dont get enough nitrogen gas in the beer if you just do a single pour. So the beer wont be as creamy.I'm suprised that O'Donoghues doing that. I thought they were a decent pub. I would have complained and told him to pour it again.

endacl

Beano wrote: »

it does affect the beer. you dont get enough nitrogen gas in the beer if you just do a single pour. So the beer wont be as creamy.I'm suprised that O'Donoghues doing that. I thought they were a decent pub. I would have complained and told him to pour it again.

O'Donoghues hasn't been a decent pub for years.

Beano

endacl wrote: »

O'Donoghues hasn't been a decent pub for years.

I used to drink around there about 15 years ago when i worked on Fitzwilliam Square. A pity its gone downhill. Always preferred Toners anyway. Guaranteed a decent pint in there.

drumswan

Beano wrote: »

it does affect the beer. you dont get enough nitrogen gas in the beer if you just do a single pour.

Where does the extra nitrogen come from in a two part pour?

Beano

drumswan wrote: »

Where does the extra nitrogen come from in a two part pour?

for the first part of the pour the barman pulls the handle towards themselves. for the second part they push the handle away from themselves. pushing the handle away adds extra nitrogen.

drumswan

Beano wrote: »

for the first part of the pour the barman pulls the handle towards themselves. for the second part they push the handle away from themselves. pushing the handle away adds extra nitrogen.

So push the handle forward toward the end of the pour...

Its not rocket science, Ive done it myself. There is zero taste difference between a two part pour and a single pour, no way could anyone pick out the difference in a blind test with a control pint.

Beano

drumswan wrote: »

So push the handle forward toward the end of the pour...

Its not rocket science, Ive done it myself. There is zero taste difference between a two part pour and a single pour, no way could anyone pick out the difference in a blind test with a control pint.

do you think a proper two part pour was decided up by chance? It was created by people who are much more knowledgeable about beer than you and i are. Just because you cant taste the difference doesnt mean the rest of us cant.

drumswan

Beano wrote: »

do you think a proper two part pour was decided up by chance? It was created by people who are much more knowledgeable about beer than you and i are. Just because you cant taste the difference doesnt mean the rest of us cant.

It was 'created' as draught Guinness was originally a blend of two cask conditioned ales, when nitro kegs were introduced people moaned because they changed things. So come clever marketing bod introduced the ridiculous "two part pour" to satiate them and it stuck. There is no reason for the two part pour outside marketing reasons.

Beano

drumswan wrote: »

It was 'created' as draught Guinness was originally a blend of two cask conditioned ales, when nitro kegs were introduced people moaned because they changed things. So come clever marketing bod introduced the ridiculous "two part pour" to satiate them and it stuck. There is no reason for the two part pour outside marketing reasons.

go away. you havent a clue what you are talking about. add your tuppence work here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055004773

drumswan

Beano wrote: »

go away. you havent a clue what you are talking about. add your tuppence work here

Says the lad who thinks there is magically 'more nitrogen' in a beer because you rest it between pours. Perhaps it sucks in nitrogen from the surrounding atmosphere?

Tom1991

Zero difference in taste if pulled in one or two pours.it looks better if its topped off in a two part pour as ya can sit the head up.Good or bad pints is 95% the cleanliness/dryness of the glass really and the other 5 is generously allowing for a bad keg or low/empty gas bottle

drumswan

Tom1991 wrote: »

Zero difference in taste if pulled in one or two pours.it looks better if its topped off in a two part pour as ya can sit the head up.

Exactly, and Diageo could easily account for this by adjusting gas mixes, pressure etc. But they dont - for marketing reasons. The amount of horse**** talked about this relatively bland, watery nitro stout is staggering.

Beano

drumswan wrote: »

Says the lad who thinks there is magically 'more nitrogen' in a beer because you rest it between pours. Perhaps it sucks in nitrogen from the surrounding atmosphere?

is that what i said? please quote the post where i said that.

Beano

drumswan wrote: »

Exactly, and Diageo could easily account for this by adjusting gas mixes, pressure etc. But they dont - for marketing reasons. The amount of horse**** talked about this relatively bland, watery nitro stout is staggering.

for somebody who doesnt like it you seem obsessed.

gumbo1

drumswan wrote: »

Says the lad who thinks there is magically 'more nitrogen' in a beer because you rest it between pours. Perhaps it sucks in nitrogen from the surrounding atmosphere?

If you worked in a bar or drank Guinness regularly then you'd understand that the bar staff pushing any tap away from them self delivers a large amount of nitrogen to the pint!

If a pint of pish, like Bud or Heineken, is poured with the tap being pushed away would lead to over 3/4 the glass containing head and very little beer, same goes for the black stuff!!

Tempted for a pint now the days work is finished!!

AnonoBoy

gumbo1 wrote: »

If you worked in a bar or drank Guinness regularly then you'd understand that the bar staff pushing any tap away from them self delivers a large amount of nitrogen to the pint!

But he was pointing out that you could push the tap away at the end of the first pour. The wait is the bit that doesn't add anything is his argument.

Slattsy

There's an anti-guinnes brigade on boards.
For the love of god dont upset them as they've an awful chip on their shoulder (Diageo?) and they look down their noses at us guinness drinkers, they're precious, poor sods.

drumswan

Ill just leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yleLTZzkQtw

Sold by and under licence from Diageo

alastair

gumbo1 wrote: »

If you worked in a bar or drank Guinness regularly then you'd understand that the bar staff pushing any tap away from them self delivers a large amount of nitrogen to the pint!

No it doesn't. The tap delivers exactly the same ratio of nitrogen to beer, regardless of which way you pull/push it. Pushing the tap handle only allows for a slower stream that allows for less chance disturbing the settled head. The only reason for a two-stage pour is the settling time allowed for the head - it's purely about aesthetics - not taste, mouthfeel, or levels of nitrogen.

Yer Aul One

I drink in O'Donoghues sometimes and always get a 2 pour pint.

Must have been new staff or something.

drumswan

So who can think of other porters & stouts produced by Dublin brewers (seeing as we are in the Dublin forum)?

I can think of

JW Sweetman Porter
5 Lamps Black Pitts Porter
Brown Paper Bag Pleasant Porter
Rascals Ginger Porter
Barrelhead Exceptional Porter
Porterhouse Celebration Stout
Porterhouse Chocolate Truffle Stout
Porterhouse Oyster Stout
Porterhouse Plain Porter
Porterhouse Wrasslers XXXX Stout
Otterbank Farami

Any more?

Arnold Tanzarian

martinn123 wrote: »

What you describe is sacrilege, I would not part with any cash, unless......the following...

Report this to Guinness........immediately...:(

Just randomly came across this thread. Iv often had this discussion with my friends too about whether or not the "two part " or the "one part" pour is better or does it make any difference!?

I have worked in a bar before and would always do the 2 part pour myself as would all the other staff, out of tradition really. I dont drink stout myself so I wouldnt know whether it tastes different or not, but I would imagine it doesnt taste any better or worse, its probably just the whole showmanship element of the two part pour that makes it automatically better in the eyes of some customers i would imagine.

Also, i must inform ye if any of ye have got the st james tour at the guinness warehouse, then ye would see that they actually do the 1 part pour, . So you would just imagine that it is just in the minds of the customer as to how much of a difference it makes to the pint, sorry to burst your bubble OP

drumswan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yleLTZzkQtw

Its a kinda magic...

kinsy

drumswan wrote: »

So who can think of other porters & stouts produced by Dublin brewers (seeing as we are in the Dublin forum)?

I can think of

JW Sweetman Porter
5 Lamps Black Pitts Porter
Brown Paper Bag Pleasant Porter
Rascals Ginger Porter
Barrelhead Exceptional Porter
Porterhouse Celebration Stout
Porterhouse Chocolate Truffle Stout
Porterhouse Oyster Stout
Porterhouse Plain Porter
Porterhouse Wrasslers XXXX Stout
Otterbank Farami

Any more?

what's your point, dude? The guy came on to complain about Guinness in O'Donoghue's (which I had about 2 years ago with a one pour pint and which was awful - no idea if the pour had anything to do with it, it just tasted watery and crap)

We all know there are other porters and stouts. You clearly do, so a pat on the back there.

Yer Aul One

Can't we all just get along?

martinn123

Yer Aul One wrote: »

Can't we all just get along?

Yea let's all go for a pint.

Crash Bang Wall

For me, Toners is the nicest Guinness Ive tasted in Dublin. O'Donoghoes isnt bad, but its not at Toners level, nor is it complete muck either

JustAddWater

martinn123 wrote: »

Yea let's all go for a pint.

In 2 parts, for those that agree and those that dont

drumswan

Im not drinking with any two part pour clowns, Id spend half me night standing at the bar like a plum waiting for other peoples pints

peking97

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Much as I like the tradition of the two part pour it really doesn't make any difference to the taste does it?

Admittedly the taste was good but the whole process looked sloppy and slipshod to me .....but then I'm possibly old fashioned....thankfully!

peking97

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

For me, Toners is the nicest Guinness Ive tasted in Dublin. O'Donoghoes isnt bad, but its not at Toners level, nor is it complete muck either

Thanks for the info next time it'll be Toner's.

Slattsy

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

For me, Toners is the nicest Guinness Ive tasted in Dublin. O'Donoghoes isnt bad, but its not at Toners level, nor is it complete muck either

Walshes in Stoneybatter is the best

drumswan

Amazing that there is such a scale of quality and taste differences in Guinness sold around the city. Whats the criteria that makes one pint better than the next? You all must be trained cicerones to be able to differentiate between one pint and the next given the little flavour profile on offer. Perhaps you all did the course while standing around waiting for pints for no reason

Yer Aul One

What is the story with this thread, did I stumble into the "I want to bate the head off ya" forum?

endacl

Yer Aul One wrote: »

What is the story with this thread, did I stumble into the "I want to bate the head off ya" forum?

You lookin' at somethin'?

:mad:

Yer Aul One

endacl wrote: »

You lookin' at somethin'?

:mad:

I was just looking for the other half of this bottle...

January

Ah lads seriously get a grip, read the charter or don't post here again. This is a warning.

Cienciano

Tom1991 wrote: »

Zero difference in taste if pulled in one or two pours.it looks better if its topped off in a two part pour as ya can sit the head up.Good or bad pints is 95% the cleanliness/dryness of the glass really and the other 5 is generously allowing for a bad keg or low/empty gas bottle

That's exactly what I was going to say. 2 pour is purely so the head looks nicer. Single pour and it's sort of sunken, looks terrible. But tastes the same.
I never got a single pour guinness anywhere in Dublin, never even heard of it.

FloatingVoter

Only time I ever had a single pour in Guinness in Dublin was when I was pulling it myself while the barman nipped out for a smoke.

reprazant

The two point pour has been shown to be times to be a marketing trick. An impressive marketing trick but that is all it is.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukebailey/guinness-two-pour-is-the-greatest-marketing-con?s=mobile