Loader for tractor

steelbar

Hi there, i have a '98 tractor with 6500 hours, and I am considering putting a loader on it for light work, ie moving bales, silage grab, etc.
I was given a quote of 8k for the brackets, loader and fitting.
My question is am i better off spending the money on the tractor that I know, even though the value of it will not be increased by the amount spent OR trade the tractor in and buy a newer one that has a loader on it? But run the risk of buying without knowing its history?

tomwaterford

steelbar wrote: »

Hi there, i have a '98 tractor with 6500 hours, and I am considering putting a loader on it for light work, ie moving bales, silage grab, etc.
I was given a quote of 8k for the brackets, loader and fitting.
My question is am i better off spending the money on the tractor that I know, even though the value of it will not be increased by the amount spent OR trade the tractor in and buy a newer one that has a loader on it? But run the risk of buying without knowing its history?

what make of tractor is it??

8K seems steep

grazeaway

What kinda tractor have you?

What kinda of loader were you looking at? If you are only planning light work then a second hand unit would make more sense.

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/tractor/7645026

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/rossmore-loader/7635123

jimmy G M

grazeaway wrote: »

What kinda tractor have you?

What kinda of loader were you looking at? If you are only planning light work then a second hand unit would make more sense.

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/tractor/7645026

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/rossmore-loader/7635123

+1, I don't think I'd be putting a new loader on a 98 tractor with 6500 hours esp if only doing light work. You'll get a v good 2nd hand one for 3 to4k fitted. How much longer do you intend to hang on to this tractor? youd need to be keeping it for anothr 10 years to justify €8k imo. Alternatively put the 8k with your existing tractor and trade up.

Reggie.

grazeaway wrote: »

What kinda tractor have you?

What kinda of loader were you looking at? If you are only planning light work then a second hand unit would make more sense.

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/tractor/7645026

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/rossmore-loader/7635123

The state of the interior of that massey :eek:

Nekarsulm

buy a 50b or 50e and spare your tractor.
it should last ten or fifteen years with care. get a torque one unless you Will be on the road a good bit.

eric prydz

grazeaway wrote: »

What kinda tractor have you?

What kinda of loader were you looking at? If you are only planning light work then a second hand unit would make more sense.

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/tractor/7645026

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/rossmore-loader/7635123

I wont rate them loaders at all the quikke loader is the only one to buy

Nekarsulm wrote: »

buy a 50b or 50e and spare your tractor.
it should last ten or fifteen years with care. get a torque one unless you Will be on the road a good bit.

id be thinking the same theres great loaders on them

Greengrass1

Dont want to hijack thread but if I got brackets for my landini would the loader from massey fit?
Were thinking about buying a little tractor that can run the wrapper and scrape the yard. I can draw bales then with the landini and wrap and stack in yard while dad bales

Reggie.

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Dont want to hijack thread but if I got brackets for my landini would the loader from massey fit?
Were thinking about buying a little tractor that can run the wrapper and scrape the yard. I can draw bales then with the landini and wrap and stack in yard while dad bales

Once the brackets are for that loader I couldn't see why not. The massey loaders are just quickie loaders in disguise

Nekarsulm

Reggie. wrote: »

Once the brackets are for that loader I couldn't see why not. The massey loaders are just quickie loaders in disguise

Actually, lots of Massey tractor's are just a Landini in disguise.....:D:D:D

keep going

Quick e are the best if going new but wouldnt advise it on older tractor and if you are not doing alot of work.have a loader on the the tractor but bought a torque mf50 loader this year for the yard and its a gifft, does something every day and the loader only ocasionally goes on the tractor.also she does the scraping of the collecting yard and helps to keep theother girl clean and less likely to be left out in the rain during the winter.lasty if she breaks down I can just pull her off the grab and stick iton the tractor or viceverse

Greengrass1

Reggie. wrote: »

Once the brackets are for that loader I couldn't see why not. The massey loaders are just quickie loaders in disguise

Ye its a quicke loader. How much would brackets set me back?
Now I need to find a nice little 240 or something similar

Reggie.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Actually, lots of Massey tractor's are just a Landini in disguise.....:D:D:D

Bloody cheek

Reggie.

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye its a quicke loader. How much would brackets set me back?
Now I need to find a nice little 240 or something similar

I think around the €500 mark

Greengrass1

Reggie. wrote: »

I think around the €500 mark

Really thats all?? For brand new brackets?

Zr105

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Really thats all?? For brand new brackets?

Second hand! The brackets haven't changed for quicke loaders in a long time, other than there used to be wide and narrow type, as far as i know its all wide type now! Ya might get lucky in camolin for brackets, worth a shot anyways!

Damo810

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye its a quicke loader. How much would brackets set me back?
Now I need to find a nice little 240 or something similar

Mahony is loading the double barrel as we speak!

Would ya not just use the Massey for drawing and stacking and the Landini for wrapping? Whats the MF at while your wrapping and stacking with the landini and new yoke?

Reggie.

Zr105 wrote: »

Second hand! The brackets haven't changed for quicke loaders in a long time, other than there used to be wide and narrow type, as far as i know its all wide type now! Ya might get lucky in camolin for brackets, worth a shot anyways!

Yeah they are all wide now. An industry standard of 1000mm I think. Old loaders were 800mm

Zr105

Reggie. wrote: »

Yeah they are all wide now. An industry standard of 1000mm I think. Old loaders were 800mm

Wasnt sure of all set width but knew they were all close enough going by the width where the arms hit the euro headstock!

Have to say the stoll/nh here is a dream of a yoke to take off and put on!

Gg would a small power pack not be as handy and leave the Landini on baler? or would you have use for the tractor other than wrapping? Power pack could probably be bought for less than half a small tractor!

Nekarsulm

Hi GG, i have no connection with the firm, but was mooching around Brogan tractors in Strokestown, and he has dozens of sets of loader brackets secondhand, lying on pallets . could be worth a phone call.

Reggie.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Hi GG, i have no connection with the firm, but was mooching around Brogan tractors in Strokestown, and he has dozens of sets of loader brackets secondhand, lying on pallets . could be worth a phone call.

That lad has some lineup outside the place

Greengrass1

Zr105 wrote: »

Wasnt sure of all set width but knew they were all close enough going by the width where the arms hit the euro headstock!

Have to say the stoll/nh here is a dream of a yoke to take off and put on!

Gg would a small power pack not be as handy and leave the Landini on baler? or would you have use for the tractor other than wrapping? Power pack could probably be bought for less than half a small tractor!

How woild ye work a trailed wrapper woth a power pack?
Kinda looking for a tractor to scrape with. The other tractors are to big and its a pain to take something like the hedge trimmer or mower off to put a scraper
The father wont use landini for baling now and I cant blame him. More comfort in him with the mf
He can bale away and I can draw wrap and stake. Would make tge process a whole lot quicker

Zr105

Greengrass1 wrote: »

How woild ye work a trailed wrapper woth a power pack?
Kinda looking for a tractor to scrape with. The other tractors are to big and its a pain to take something like the hedge trimmer or mower off to put a scraper
The father wont use landini for baling now and I cant blame him. More comfort in him with the mf
He can bale away and I can draw wrap and stake. Would make tge process a whole lot quicker

Just leave it sitting on the stand, works with the mchale because it has the prop leg that goes down as it tips. Thats all based around having the electric box with remote tho

Greengrass1

Damo810 wrote: »

Mahony is loading the double barrel as we speak!

Would ya not just use the Massey for drawing and stacking and the Landini for wrapping? Whats the MF at while your wrapping and stacking with the landini and new yoke?

Mahoney can go feck off
Only two tractors here
The way the system is at the min is dad bales and I wrap behind him in the field.
Then we draw with the mf
If I got brackets for landini I could draw away and get silage done a whole lot quicker

Greengrass1

Zr105 wrote: »

Just leave it sitting on the stand, works with the mchale because it has the prop leg that goes down as it tips. Thats all based around having the electric box with remote tho

Ye I have remote alright.
Will it be heavy enough that wrapper doesnt tip up when bale goes onto tail?

Damo810

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Mahoney can go feck off
Only two tractors here
The way the system is at the min is dad bales and I wrap behind him in the field.
Then we draw with the mf
If I got brackets for landini I could draw away and get silage done a whole lot quicker

The fact you have a remote changes things. It would speed things up alright. The power pack like whats mentioned above would do grand, but obviously if you want something small for scraping your killing 2 birds with one stone and you'll probably save what you spend on saved depreciation on the MF.

Setup something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TasGmp4A14U&list=UUGun52YFO7IFFdV51fMA3HA

Greengrass1

Damo810 wrote: »

The fact you have a remote changes things. It would speed things up alright. The power pack like whats mentioned above would do grand, but obviously if you want something small for scraping your killing 2 birds with one stone and you'll probably save what you spend on saved depreciation on the MF.

Setup something like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TasGmp4A14U&list=UUGun52YFO7IFFdV51fMA3HA

Yep something like that

grazeaway

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yep something like that

One my friends has a wrapper with the power pack, brings it along behind the loader to different jobs. Bales a brought into the yard with a keltec and then put on the wrapper with the loader press the remote and off it goes he then stacks with the loader.

Not a big fan of wrapping in the field and then drawing in TBH have done it a bit and then spend the following day taping the bales. Drawing in with keltec and wrap and stack in the yard is the way to go.

Greengrass1

grazeaway wrote: »

One my friends has a wrapper with the power pack, brings it along behind the loader to different jobs. Bales a brought into the yard with a keltec and then put on the wrapper with the loader press the remote and off it goes he then stacks with the loader.

Not a big fan of wrapping in the field and then drawing in TBH have done it a bit and then spend the following day taping the bales. Drawing in with keltec and wrap and stack in the yard is the way to go.

Thats a good set up alright. Wont be buying a keltec though need big hp to handle them
Its just to quicken up our own system tbh. At minimal cost

Cow Porter

Are the new quicke brackets and attachment alot different to the old type where you have the bolt holding on?

Presume you have the lock and go greengrass? Won't see too many of them brackets second hand? Also need joystick etc, thought that setup was up around 8-900?

Greengrass1

Cow Porter wrote: »

Are the new quicke brackets and attachment alot different to the old type where you have the bolt holding on?

Presume you have the lock and go greengrass? Won't see too many of them brackets second hand? Also need joystick etc, thought that setup was up around 8-900?

Mine isnt quick detach its the pin one. Only takes 2 minutes any way.
Ye id need a chest valve aswell as joystick.

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Mahoney can go feck off
Only two tractors here
The way the system is at the min is dad bales and I wrap behind him in the field.
Then we draw with the mf
If I got brackets for landini I could draw away and get silage done a whole lot quicker

I'm still here and have no plans to feck off ye can give all summer sitting in a tractor balling and wrapping for all I care,I'll just be busy been a dairy farmer and looking at my contractor doing my silage in a few hours and having a handy life!!!

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

I'm still here and have no plans to feck off ye can give all summer sitting in a tractor balling and wrapping for all I care,I'll just be busy been a dairy farmer and looking at my contractor doing my silage in a few hours and having a handy life!!!

I dont see the problem mj we've done it fir last 20yrs and weve came along way.
ye seem to think the farm will fall to rack and ruin for tge few days were at silage
Of all your talk of Ireland not being like NZ ye are contradicting yourself alot

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I dont see the problem mj we've done it fir last 20yrs and weve came along way.
ye seem to think the farm will fall to rack and ruin for tge few days were at silage

You've done it for 20 years,big swing.a lot has changed in 20 years.with all these extra cows your going to milk as well as new parlour,slurry storage and kennels you have to put in baling a thousand or 1500 bales yourself will be some crack .no time for a holiday and working 7 days a week ain't for me .sure in just a lazy whore handed over a perfect farm with nothing to do only give the day on boards .if only you knew.cant believe you've dragged me into this argument again,finished with it now emmerdales on ,better entertainment!!

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I dont see the problem mj we've done it fir last 20yrs and weve came along way.
ye seem to think the farm will fall to rack and ruin for tge few days were at silage
Of all your talk of Ireland not being like NZ ye are contradicting yourself alot

Your last point wtf????

Zr105

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Ye I have remote alright.
Will it be heavy enough that wrapper doesnt tip up when bale goes onto tail?

Yeah its grand, the little leg that hits the ground when it tips up stops it from going over, it might rock a bit but nothing much, just block the wheels.

Id recommend getting a sheet of rubber for the ground behind it so the bales get a softer landing, also its handy to leave the first bale sitting back about a bale and a half from the wrapper as it stops the rest from rolling to far away.

Used to do a lot of satelite rapping with standard mchale, it was always just a tractor, but the previous owner of the rapper had a power pack and pulled it round with telescopic, there was a vid on YouTube and i think it may actually have been that wrapper but cant find it now!

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Your last point wtf????

Have ye ever spent 5 months working in NZ? I have.
Believe it or not there is actually farms over there that do all there own work my mate was placed on one.
Theres loads of farms operating like us here a member of my dg is the same and guess what he served 154 animals and 149 are incalf.

Its not like I went out and bought the machinery in the last two yrs. Its been built up over 20yrs.
What do you think would have been said to you when you came home to farm and started changing things left righr and centre.
I found it highly insulting the last time. You were basically insulting my fathers and mothers lifetimes work

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Have ye ever spent 5 months working in NZ? I have.
Believe it or not there is actually farms over there that do all there own work my mate was placed on one.
Theres loads of farms operating like us here a member of my dg is the same and guess what he served 154 animals and 149 are incalf.

Its not like I went out and bought the machinery in the last two yrs. Its been built up over 20yrs.
What do you think would have been said to you when you came home to farm and started changing things left righr and centre.
I found it highly insulting the last time. You were basically insulting my fathers and mothers lifetimes work

Break on in emmerdale so I'll respond to that.ive a few years experience on you have travelled ,seen a heap of different farms,high input high output to the kiwi way.also have a brother living in oz who is heavily involved in oz and kiwi dairy industry's and paints a different picture to what u paint above.cows and management are king and machinery is for cobtractors.
When I came home my dad knew his days were numbered working full time due to illness (Alzheimer's)and the fact ge had enough of farming full time.i was given and his backing to take farm forward,I'm extremely proud of what I've done in the last 5 years as is he.

As for insulting your parents work ,your easily insulted if that's the case.never once mentioned them nor would I dare after seen what my mam and dad did building a farm and putting 4 of us through college.im simply trying to open your eyes to something different and an easier way of life.your obviously not open to it .stay plugging away as you are for another 20 years if u want I couldn't care less.

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Break on in emmerdale so I'll respond to that.ive a few years experience on you have travelled ,seen a heap of different farms,high input high output to the kiwi way.also have a brother living in oz who is heavily involved in oz and kiwi dairy industry's and paints a different picture to what u paint above.cows and management are king and machinery is for cobtractors.
When I came home my dad knew his days were numbered working full time due to illness (Alzheimer's)and the fact ge had enough of farming full time.i was given and his backing to take farm forward,I'm extremely proud of what I've done in the last 5 years as is he.

As for insulting your parents work ,your easily insulted if that's the case.never once mentioned them nor would I dare after seen what my mam and dad did building a farm and putting 4 of us through college.im simply trying to open your eyes to something different and an easier way of life.your obviously not open to it .stay plugging away as you are for another 20 years if u want I couldn't care less.

Fair play have nothing against what you did.
I never said I was against it I did say when the time came that we were under roo much pressure to do silage our selves we would drop it and thats the truth my fathet has said the same.
Im not the age you are yet and I wont be taking over the reins for a good many yrs yet.
Theres a bit of give and take involved ive changed alot of things here but there's some things ye can't just flick a switch on.
My parents have had alot on there plate over last few yrs to think about other things.
I have taken everything here that's been said to me over the last few yrs on board
The day the harvester is in the yard you'll be the first man ro know

just do it

Mahoney/ Greengrass

Cool the jets lads. Mahoney has 1 full-time labour unit, GG has 2. Therefore it makes sense the decisions ye've both made and you're both farming under different circumstances. Selfishly I learn alot off both you guys so I don't want either of you closing an account and shagging off into the sunset - as is all too popular these days

steelbar

grazeaway wrote: »

What kinda tractor have you?

What kinda of loader were you looking at? If you are only planning light work then a second hand unit would make more sense.

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/tractor/7645026

http://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/rossmore-loader/7635123

Its a 110 hp Deutz . I haven't started looking at loaders yet, just made a phone call to my local dealer. Naturally he was advising me away from a 2nd had one!! :eek::D

Will look at all my options,in the mean time i have a massey 80 loader that will go on my 390, but its only 2wd, so could be on the light side.