Rough fuel cost per km.

Alkers · 10-09-2014 12:25pm #1

Looking at having to get a car in the next few weeks for work and I'm doing a bit of calculation trying to work out what engine size to go for.
Would anyone be able to give me an indication for a rough cost per km (from fuelly or the likes) of a 1.6 diesel hatchback or saloon and for a petrol hatchback less than 1.2l.
Btw my girlfriends 1.4l focus works out about €0.11 per km (mostly motorway) and my 650cc motorbike works out €0.09 per km (through town).
Thanks

Alanstrainor · 10-09-2014 1:06pm

Need specific cars, the question is way to general imo.

Maybe if you gave us some info as to what you're looking for we could offer suggestions. Tell us the type of driving you do (mostly motorway? Mixed? All town?), what size car you need and a budget would be a decent start.

Alkers · 10-09-2014 1:25pm

Thanks for the reply.
I use the motorbike for all my commuting as it is, I will only be using this car for work trips I will have to start making all around the county - predominantly motorway mileage.

I'm only looking to spend ballpark €2k.

I know I could get a small hatchback and insure and tax it for the cheapest but I get the maximum allowable revenue mileage so if I do big miles I will make more money with a 1.6 diesel for example.

I've worked out estimates for the price of insurance on a 1.2 petrol, 1.4 diesel and 1.6 diesel and I have the tax figures also, I'm just missing rough fuel costs (I'd imagine they are all in the (€0.1 - €0.12 per km region).

For insurance I used a ford fiesta as the 1.2 and a focus for the 1.4 and 1.6 just to get ballparks.

Hope this helps.

bear1 · 10-09-2014 1:41pm

From checking DD the only realistic diesel car with a 1.4 or 1.6 engine will be a French one.
That being said, this was posted on the bangernomics thread last night

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2001-volkswagon-polo-tdi/7636873

Nippy cars and very economical. Expect around the 50's and if driven like a granny then you could top 60mpg.
You mention that you will be doing a lot of motorway trips around the country, IMO a 1.2 just wont cut it and the savings won't be there.

djimi · 10-09-2014 1:45pm

bear1 wrote: »

You mention that you will be doing a lot of motorway trips around the country, IMO a 1.2 just wont cut it and the savings won't be there.

You would also crack up driving that Polo long distances on motorways across the country; they are bad enough to drive as a town car...

Sometimes its worth looking past just mpg, realising how much time you are going to spend in the car, and factor size and comfort into the equation also.

bear1 · 10-09-2014 1:47pm

djimi wrote: »

You would also crack up driving that Polo long distances on motorways across the country; they are bad enough to drive as a town car...

Sometimes its worth looking past just mpg, realising how much time you are going to spend in the car, and factor size and comfort into the equation also.

True, but I'd rather be bored and still have a bit of poke when I need it than be bored and no poke.
Just my 2 cents anyway.
OP is are lucky you could manage to get a 1.6 hdi 407 but I haven't heard many good things about that engine.

CiboC · 10-09-2014 1:55pm

You can look up the fuelly data directly for different car models and engine types.

Bear in mind that your actual consumption is heavily dependent on what type of driving you do (city vs rural), I find it very hard to get near some of the fuelly figures....

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 10-09-2014 1:58pm

Fuel cost per KM?
I've no idea what a KM is but my fiesta does 350 odd miles for approx 40-45 Euro of diesel. Approx 11 cent per mile.

Whereas another car of mine from 'murica does 300 odd miles for approx 115-125 of petrol, approx 39 cents per mile.

Depends on the car, I've had two 1.8 petrols that did completely different MPG.

SteelyDanJalapeno · 10-09-2014 2:02pm

If you get on average, 5 - 6 litre per 100KM which you would expect out of a 1.6 HDI engine, then estimating Diesel at about 1.40 a litre, it will cost around 7.7 cent a KM.

djimi · 10-09-2014 2:04pm

bear1 wrote: »

True, but I'd rather be bored and still have a bit of poke when I need it than be bored and no poke.
Just my 2 cents anyway.

True. That Polo has bugger all poke either way though

Honestly there are very few small cars that I would want to spend many motorway miles in. "Repmobiles" tend to be bigger saloons for a reason.

ardmacha · 10-09-2014 2:08pm

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Fuel cost per KM?
I've no idea what a KM is.

That must make it hard to keep within the speed limit.

Alkers · 10-09-2014 2:11pm

Thanks guys, yeah, ideally I would like a 1.6 diesel but want to do the math to see how it adds up compared to smaller engines.

I don't want to spend a lot as this car will spend a lot of time sitting in the driveway. I will spend 3 days on the road then maybe two weeks in the office, then another 3 on the road etc.

charcosull · 10-09-2014 2:13pm

1.6D Volvo C30. I get about 8c a Km out of it with mixed driving. Around town during the week and motorway at the weekend.

wotswattage · 10-09-2014 2:29pm

I believe an electric car (Nissan Leaf for example) costs in the region of 1c per km to propel.

No good for OP, but people buying through finance may be paying the same amount back per month anyway be it a diesel or electric car...
They make so much sense for a certain segment of the population.

djimi · 10-09-2014 2:35pm

wotswattage wrote: »

I believe an electric car (Nissan Leaf for example) costs in the region of 1c per km to propel.

No good for OP, but people buying through finance may be paying the same amount back per month anyway be it a diesel or electric car...
They make so much sense for a certain segment of the population.

How would an electric car fare when it comes to claiming mileage expenses?

wotswattage · 10-09-2014 2:38pm

No idea, but I'd say you'd get the same expenses regardless of vehicle type. I dunno would an EV be suitable for someone who drives a lot with work...

bear1 · 10-09-2014 2:38pm

djimi wrote: »

How would an electric car fare when it comes to claiming mileage expenses?

I'd say that would be a very tricky one.
I imagine they wouldn't accept an electric car on a mileage expenses claim.

Cleveland Hot Pocket · 10-09-2014 2:39pm

ardmacha wrote: »

That must make it hard to keep within the speed limit.

I can see the little number on the speedo on the inner circle lol. I mean to fathom what a kilometer is in reality - like I havent a concept of what 10km away means, whereas 10 miles is easily visualized.

djimi · 10-09-2014 2:40pm

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I can see the little number on the speedo on the inner circle lol. I mean to fathom what a kilometer is in reality - like I havent a concept of what 10km away means, whereas 10 miles is easily visualized.

I cant visualize either tbh! I know what a km because growing up it was bang on 1KM from my house to school! But when giving directions I am terrible at telling someone the distance.

djimi · 10-09-2014 2:41pm

bear1 wrote: »

I'd say that would be a very tricky one.
I imagine they wouldn't accept an electric car on a mileage expenses claim.

I had a quick look at a revenue claim form and it seems to go in three brackets based on CO2, with the lowest being 0-110 (or something to that effect) so I presume it just works off the bases of the lowest values?

Alanstrainor · 10-09-2014 2:42pm

That Polo posted is insane money...you'd be absolutely bonkers to buy it at that price

bear1 · 10-09-2014 2:45pm

I think the price is playing on the "rarity" factor of a 01 Polo with a TDI engine.

djimi · 10-09-2014 2:48pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

That Polo posted is insane money...you'd be absolutely bonkers to buy it at that price

Huge mileage also; doesnt say 217k what but either way it would want to have one hell of a service history to make it worth buying at any price.

bear1 · 10-09-2014 2:54pm

I'd wager it's 217k miles.

beazee · 10-09-2014 3:00pm

€0.148/km for city driving, short distances, usually cold engine (1.4L petrol), ~9.6l/100km
€0.112/km for commute, 20+ kms/one leg, motorway (1.1L petrol), ~7.2l/100km

ironclaw · 10-09-2014 3:07pm

Going by my data and the data on this thread, your looking at €0.10 per km on average for the smaller petrols.

ShaunieVW · 10-09-2014 3:30pm

bear1 wrote: »

From checking DD the only realistic diesel car with a 1.4 or 1.6 engine will be a French one.
That being said, this was posted on the bangernomics thread last night

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2001-volkswagon-polo-tdi/7636873

Nippy cars and very economical. Expect around the 50's and if driven like a granny then you could top 60mpg.
You mention that you will be doing a lot of motorway trips around the country, IMO a 1.2 just wont cut it and the savings won't be there.

That used to belong to a friend. It ran on the smell of fuel, got 67mpg iirc on a run to and from Belfast, which was shocking impressive. Lovely little car that although its a couple of years since he owned it and he sold it for nearly 3k I think.

Rough fuel cost per km.

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