Dunphy tells the ROI manager to grow up!

WilyCoyote

Coming from motormouth himself, this takes the biscuit. He has been tossing his toys out of the pram forever ......... even when he's been sober/not coked up. Why do people listen to this buffoonic merchant of doom with a chip on his shoulder?

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/european-championships/irish-news/eamon-dunphy-martin-oneill-needs-to-grow-up-30569862.html

Donkey Oaty

His best writing was non-sports-related, like the wonderfully funny hatchet jobs he did on Brian D'Arcy, Roddy Doyle and Pat Kenny.

But that's long ago, and in journo terms he no longer justifies his selection.

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WilyCoyote wrote: »

Coming from motormouth himself, this takes the biscuit. He has been tossing his toys out of the pram forever ......... even when he's been sober/not coked up. Why do people listen to this buffoonic merchant of doom with a chip on his shoulder?

Dunno. Why do you?

WilyCoyote

DVDM93 wrote: »

Soccer forum is thaaaaatawaaaaay =====>

Yes, one is aware. However this post is not about soccer but about a self-appointed celebrity

Arthur Enough Stake wrote: »

Dunno. Why do you?

Was too lazy to change stations when it was reported.
But I don't think everyone is that lazy and some people seek out his newspaper quotes and seem to enjoy the miasma of horseshit that emanates from his cakehole.

goose2005

“These guys [O’Neill and Keane] would want to wake up and realise how fortunate they are to have the support of the media, and some wonderful players to work with. They need only look down to Croke Park – the amateur game - and see how people there behave and don’t throw tantrums.”

What about the Armagh media ban?

Agricola

Buffoonic? Im using that!

The Purveyor of Truth

He's right. Twit was being needlessly defensive.

CaptainInsano

Eamon Dunphy insults current Ireland Team manager shocker.

Menas

CaptainInsano wrote: »

Eamon Dunphy insults current Ireland Team manager shocker.

He has been doing that since Eoin Hand. Non story from a serial attention seeker.

Agricola

He is right though. You didn't see Trap getting shirty with Tony O' Donoghue in interviews and he had plenty of reason to.
They are professionals getting paid handsomely to do a job, of which dealing with media criticism is a part of.

CaptainInsano

Agricola wrote: »

He is right though. You didn't see Trap getting shirty with Tony O' Donoghue in interviews and he had plenty of reason to.
They are professionals getting paid handsomely to do a job, of which dealing with media criticism is a part of.

He did lose the head a couple of times actually. But yeah, he should have been at bit more patient although I can see why he'd be mad.
Even my granny could see we were sh1te last night and she's half blind, so I'm sure O' Neill knows that it was a piss poor performance too. Don't see why we can't be grateful for the win without asking those kind of questions yet, everyone could see the problems, obviously he's going to try and fix them. Instead he's after winning the game and still coming under fire and like he said it's early days, give him a few more competitive games before we start talking about tactics and questioning him in that way.
Now he has Dunphy trying to stir up a storm just for added pressure, imagine if we had of drew the game.

RobbingBandit

Dunphy is a clown, the man has never done anything except get pissed and talk out of his arse.

bmm

Agricola wrote: »

You didn't see Trap getting shirty with Tony O' Donoghue in interviews

Oh Yes we did, remember the ; "Tony! , Tony!, Andy Reid Again! Andy Reid Again!, Again Andy Reid" . etc. etc.

Kermit.de.frog

Maybe it's time for Dunphy to grow up. Superior troll.

anncoates

Ole Ole Ole

Isn't it time they had some younger blood on the panel?

catallus

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Isn't it time they had some younger blood on the panel?

Christ, I was waiting for this crap to start.

No. No it's not time for younger blood on the panel; depth of experience and aged wisdom is what they have and what we need.

Turtyturd

He should have told the clown Keane to grow up 12 years ago.

I dunno if you're taking the piss or not ???

Yamanoto

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Isn't it time they had some younger blood on the panel?

Sadlier always strikes me as a bit of a know it all & Kenny Cunningham sounds like a type of industrial grinding apparatus that can't be shut off.

EunanMac

Dunphy wants his bum chum Keane to be manager and thinks attacking O'Neil will help

Rothko

Yamanoto wrote: »

Sadlier always strikes me as a bit of a know it all & Kenny Cunningham sounds like a type of industrial grinding apparatus that can't be shut off.

I actually like Sadlier though. I think he speaks sense most of the time.

Hercule Poirot

Yamanoto wrote: »

Sadlier always strikes me as a bit of a know it all & Kenny Cunningham sounds like a type of industrial grinding apparatus that can't be shut off.

I remember the name pop up for him a few years ago stated "Scored in an U18 European Championship Playoff" or something to that effect - if that's your claim to fame you shouldn't be on the panel.

Didi Hamman beside him had "Champions League winner 2005"

And listening to the two of them the difference in quality of analysis was obvious.

Billy86

catallus wrote: »

Christ, I was waiting for this crap to start.

No. No it's not time for younger blood on the panel; depth of experience and aged wisdom is what they have and what we need.

Where are we hiding it so?

Richie Sadlier (and Friedel) exposed them for the clueless, dated dinosaurs they have become. So we all should have known he wouldn't be back.

Billy86

Yamanoto wrote: »

Sadlier always strikes me as a bit of a know it all & Kenny Cunningham sounds like a type of industrial grinding apparatus that can't be shut off.

Sadlier does his research so he doesn't do something stupid like complainant an Argentinian defender who literally does not exist for half the tournament, or refer to the team with the best defensive record in South American qualifying as "headless chickens with no idea what defending is". I kind of like that, personally.

Hercule Poirot

Billy86 wrote: »

Where are we hiding it so?

Richie Sadlier (and Friedel) exposed them for the clueless, dated dinosaurs they have become. So we all should have known he wouldn't be back.

To be fair Giles (great footballer) comes out with some drivel, bought his autobiography in Tesco (twas on sale) - he spends the first few pages stating that all you need is 11 players who know how to play football, no tactics, no fancy formations and no man marking or focus on the opposition - 11 players and send them out to do as they please - stopped reading after 7 or 8 pages and it's still in a cupboard somewhere

Say Your Number

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

stopped reading after 7 or 8 pages and it's still in a cupboard somewhere

That's your loss, that book is a great insight to what football was like in 60's/70's.

Billy86

Hercule Poirot wrote: »

To be fair Giles (great footballer)...

Completely agree, he has gone rating about that before using matches. Lots of time for him as a person, he's very interesting to listen to when giving "back in the day stories about Leeds, the Irish team or famous players he played against etc. But the game passed him by a long, long time ago, and it shows that he does very little research in terms of the two teams in whatever game he is covering.

Halloween Jack

Billy86 wrote: »

Completely agree, he has gone rating about that before using matches. Lots of time for him as a person, he's very interesting to listen to when giving "back in the day stories about Leeds, the Irish team or famous players he played against etc. But the game passed him by a long, long time ago, and it shows that he does very little research in terms of the two teams in whatever game he is covering.

Yep, if I have to hear about honesty of effort or the halcyon days where nobody ever shirked a challenge or misplaced a pass I'll go mad.

Dunphy and Giles have about as much experience or knowledge of modern top level football as the average punter and significantly less than anybody who watches even one continental game once a blue moon. Half the time you get the impression the only football they watch is a highlights reel about 10 mins before they go live.

They've had their day. In fact the extraordinary scope they are given by RTe to call it as they see it is wasted on them, they do no research, never actually back up their analysis with anything other than vague assertions and rarely get taken to task for the erroneous drivel they spout. The new blood on The RTE panel that manage to stick around seem to become negative sycophants like whelan and houghton. The guys who present a different view point tend to never be heard of again.

They used to at least be amusing but even the trolling is tired at this stage. In an age when guys present excellent, insightful and fact based analysis online for a hobby, these guys are redundant.

I'd keep Brady though, smart, informed has an involvement in football more recent than the invention of the rubix cube.

DeanAustin

Billy86 wrote: »

Completely agree, he has gone rating about that before using matches. Lots of time for him as a person, he's very interesting to listen to when giving "back in the day stories about Leeds, the Irish team or famous players he played against etc. But the game passed him by a long, long time ago, and it shows that he does very little research in terms of the two teams in whatever game he is covering.

Ah no, Giles still knows how to analyse a game.

However, the panel were OTT on Sunday. Spain and France struggled in Georgia. I am as close as I can be to certain that one of our rivals in the group will drop points there too. Giles, Dunphy and Brady have been around long enough to know that too.

I didn't want O'Neill to get the job but you can't argue with an away win. Also, despite Dunphy's guff that we have a great team, we are very ordinary.

O'Neill is playing the game here. He knows O'Donoghue was extremely disrespectful to Trap and he isn't going to give him another chance to do that. He's put O'Donoghue and the panel on the back foot. Good on him.

Billy86

DeanAustin wrote: »

Ah no, Giles still knows how to analyse a game.

He doesn't though. He is quite good at assessing the attributes of a player (but onmy a certain type of player) but he doesn't know much of anything about the modern game, and the sport has undergone massive changes on the pitch over the last 15 years or so.

Completely agree on everything you said about O'Neil (including be g a bit sceptical of him being named manager). He has played more or less exactly like we did yesterday through his whole career. It is a kind of dated model and not too much fun to watch, but it has also done well for him. The upside for Ireland is that we are not a very talented team as you say, so at least it can help us grind results better. But it's not going to look a lot different from Trapp's football, though the tempo may be a bit higher. People who were clamoring for MON and still expected us to come out playing free flowing, open, possession based attacking football frankly deserve the disappointment they are getting.

On the bright side, Brian Kerr is one of my favourite sports commentators around these days. Didn't like him as a pundit, but he's just complete entertainment behind the mic. Don't know if he was doing it yesterday, watched the match in the pub so wasn't focusing on the audio.

WilyCoyote

Most spectators understand the game. Why do we need the likes of Dunphy, Giles or Brady to extrapolate their slant? The TV companies try and keep the faithful glued with the mind numbing ramblings of these overpaid geriatrics.

efb

Football in the '70's won't win a game in the 21st century

Kermit.de.frog

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Most spectators understand the game. Why do we need the likes of Dunphy, Giles or Brady to extrapolate their slant? The TV companies try and keep the faithful glued with the mind numbing ramblings of these overpaid geriatrics.

TBH I watched the hurling before the football on Sunday and the latter was so painfully boring in comparison I actually fell asleep. True story.

diomed

I think Martin O'Neill's comments in the TV interview were a bit tongue in cheek. But then the RTE interviewer is not in a position to challenge Martin O'Neill. It was a bit like making fun of the waiter because he mispronounced the name of the dish.
Martin O'Neill is an intelligent guy, but getting clever with people might backfire when we get thumped by Germany, Scotland, and Poland.

Kermit.de.frog

Ireland has a better team man for man than Poland and Scotland. There is not much to fear. Germany - yes.

EunanMac

DeanAustin wrote: »

Ah no, Giles still knows how to analyse a game.

Giles and Brady are the only genuinely qualified and experienced soccer commentators on RTE worth listening to. Their modesty and balance shows this well.

EunanMac

diomed wrote: »

I think Martin O'Neill's comments in the TV interview were a bit tongue in cheek. But then the RTE interviewer is not in a position to challenge Martin O'Neill. It was a bit like making fun of the waiter because he mispronounced the name of the dish.
Martin O'Neill is an intelligent guy, but getting clever with people might backfire when we get thumped by Germany, Scotland, and Poland.

The Irish media can't stand Martin O'Neil, he's an outsider, but worse than that he's from the six counties, he's just getting the first shot in before they do. Now they can move on to what they were always going to say about him anyway, instead of pretending they are in any way balanced and factual about their reporting.

SEPT 23 1989

Having a go after one competitive match

new record for Dunphy

Billy86

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Ireland has a better team man for man than Poland and Scotland. There is not much to fear. Germany - yes.

Not really, there definitely isn't much between us. If Ireland/Scotland formed a joint team, my guess is its more likely to be made of of mostly Scottish players an Irish. Poland have an OK team as well, and Lewandowski is by far the best of anyone from those three countries.

EazyD

While I wouldn't be critical of O'Neill after one showing, leaving Hoolihan out of the starting 11 was very strange, a spark of creativity is what Ireland generally lack in the middle.

TimRiggins

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Having a go after one competitive match

new record for Dunphy

He was right. This was what, O'Neills 8th game in charge, and for all those friendlys he obviously has figured out his starting eleven or his style of play.

Everything they said was spot on in my opinion. Great win yes, But the performance was very poor.

Billy86

TimRiggins wrote: »

He was right. This was what, O'Neills 8th game in charge, and for all those friendlys he obviously has figured out his starting eleven or his style of play.

Everything they said was spot on in my opinion. Great win yes, But the performance was very poor.

He has figured out his style of play, it was what we saw and has been his style of play for over 25 years in management. It's not pretty, but it's what he knows and he isn't going to be changing it in his mid 60s. I still have no idea why people expected us to play anything else under him when it came to the competitive games.

The changes he has been making in the starting 11 is simply down to a lack of talent. We are not awful, but we really are not very good either, in that regard.

TimRiggins

Billy86 wrote: »

He has figured out his style of play, it was what we saw and has been his style of play for over 25 years in management. It's not pretty, but it's what he knows and he isn't going to be changing it in his mid 60s. I still have no idea why people expected us to play anything else under him when it came to the competitive games.

The changes he has been making in the starting 11 is simply down to a lack of talent. We are not awful, but we really are not very good either, in that regard.

Even his team selection for that style of play was mind boggling. Whelan isolated on his own in the middle and McCarthy and Quinn pushed up, ending up with hoofing long balls to Robbie Keane.

These lads are professional footballers, and training together long enough that they should have some sort of understanding. On Sunday it looked like 11 strangers on the pitch.

Billy86

TimRiggins wrote: »

Even his team selection for that style of play was mind boggling. Whelan isolated on his own in the middle and McCarthy and Quinn pushed up, ending up with hoofing long balls to Robbie Keane.

These lads are professional footballers, and training together long enough that they should have some sort of understanding. On Sunday it looked like 11 strangers on the pitch.

Having Keane alone up front and Walters out wide was odd alright, maybe he was thin king of Walters tucking in and Coleman overlapping. But as a team we have looked lost for a long while, and to be honest I would expect that the training under Trapp didn't put a huge emphasis on passing and moving, etc.

It can definitely improve, but I am quite content with just getting out of there with three points on the first competitive game where teams like France (drew) and Spain (won 1-0 in the 86th minute) have struggled. It will take a few competitive games to form a proper assessment in my mind.

Just don't go expecting slick, free flowing football.

TimRiggins

Billy86 wrote: »

Having Keane alone up front and Walters out wide was odd alright, maybe he was thin king of Walters tucking in and Coleman overlapping. But as a team we have looked lost for a long while, and to be honest I would expect that the training under Trapp didn't put a huge emphasis on passing and moving, etc.

It can definitely improve, but I am quite content with just getting out of there with three points on the first competitive game where teams like France (drew) and Spain (won 1-0 in the 86th minute) have struggled. It will take a few competitive games to form a proper assessment in my mind.

Just don't go expecting slick, free flowing football.

It was great to get the win but it shouldn't paint over the facts.

Walters and Coleman was good in theory, but for Coleman to be involved there has to be ball retention to allow him to push up. We have a midfield three in McCarthy - Quinn/Meyler with Hoolahan just ahead that we should be able to do this, especially against the weaker teams.

I know it may be abit harsh criticizing MON after the win but punting the ball upfield when there is nothing else on isn't the style of play suited for our players.

WilyCoyote

In the not too distant past:
No glory in easy targets
Eamon Dunphy is easy prey, that's why the press is gunning for him

The Observer, Saturday 8 June 2002 19.48 EDT
In cyberspace no one can hear Eamon Dunphy scream.

Ireland's new public enemy number one is not even safe on the world wide web. If things were not bad enough for Dunphy in the Irish tabloid market the former Irish international, commentator and official biographer of Roy Keane is now being lampooned on the internet.

A verse is doing the rounds on emails this weekend, sending up Dunphy, portraying him as a mercenary:

Humpy Dunphy, quite contrary,
Orthodoxy makes him chary
Barks his underdog defence
(But counts his pounds before his pence)

Back, meanwhile, on the radio the Today FM pundit is depicted as either a fool or a national traitor.

Following Ireland's draw with Cameroon eight days ago the Sunday tabloids screamed abuse at Dunphy for daring to back Keane and question Mick McCarthy's management style.

'Up yours Dunphy' one of the Irish red tops splashed over the front page. The Sunday World superimposed the writer and broadcaster's head on a green, white and gold best of burden - 'Donkey Dunphy' read the strapline over the paper's masthead.

And this was being very unkind to donkeys

Irish fans in Japan itself also made their feelings clear. One tricolour displayed at the game on Wednesday with Germany carried a cryptic message, playing on the ex-footballer's first highly acclaimed book: 'Only a game Dunphy'

Back in Ireland in my own local, the Pavilion Bar on south Belfast's Ormeau Road, Irish supporters were spitting blood over Dunphy's perceived treachery. One man standing up in the packed pub last Wednesday lunchtime was overheard saying: 'Why do they bother giving him the airtime? He's a f******* disgrace.'

Whether on the net, on the tabloid front and back pages, emblazoned on a tricolour or in the pub, there is the distinct smell of the herd about this national ganging up on Eamon Dunphy. Some of those sticking the boot into Dunphy are like the weedier members of a gang of bullies, sneakily kicking a victim whose been knocked to the ground and is surrounded by a mob. What makes this new blood sport even more distasteful is that the pack is only chasing Dunphy because the real target of their venom, Roy Keane, is much more formidable quarry.

Rather than gang up on the former Ireland captain, who retains enormous popularity in certain parts of Ireland, particularly his native county, the media mob has instead picked on his biographer.

It is unlikely Keane will ever play for Ireland again. Yet as long as he stays at Old Trafford, the Manchester United midfielder will continue to command respect and loyalty among some Irish fans. Culling Keano therefore may not make such sound commercial sense in the long run for the tabloids.

By contrast Dunphy is the softer touch. He certainly doesn't make it easy for himself, attracting the attention of the hunt with his boorish outpourings on the airwaves that so often border on the extreme and the hysterical. And he is entirely wrong in his absurd claims about McCarthy's supposed shortcomings as well as being over-generous to Keane for tolerating the player's petulance.

And now Keane has blanked him ............ but some feeble minded ROI fans still listen to his rantings. Why?

osarusan

EunanMac wrote: »

The Irish media can't stand Martin O'Neil, he's an outsider, but worse than that he's from the six counties,

Complete rubbish.