Passing on water charge to tenant

customerunhap

I have a property which is rented out under the RAS scheme.
The contract states that the tenant is liable for water charges.
I understand an introductory pack from Irish Water is being sent to me, as I am the registered owner etc.
What is the process for getting the contract signed by the tenant etc?
Many thanks

handlemaster

good question not alot of explaination what has to be done

http://www.water.ie/

L1011

The pack should be sent to the tenant with a separate thing sent to you as owner. The occupier is liable regardless of if its in the contract, as its no different to power in that regard.

handlemaster

MYOB wrote: »

The pack should be sent to the tenant with a separate thing sent to you as owner. The occupier is liable regardless of if its in the contract, as its no different to power in that regard.

was there not mention that the owner can be held liable for tenants bills ?:rolleyes:

murphaph

It's a utility like electricity or gas now, so occupier liable. To cover yourself, make sure you have your tenants' PPS numbers in case they ever do a runner. I have contacted my tenants to make sure they understand the position and so they can avail of their free allowance. It might be an idea to just remind them out of courtesy. If Irish Water start trying to bill landlords for tenants' water usage there'll be a revolt.

Santa Cruz

Make sure that you have a section in the lease which specifies that the tenant is liable for the water rates. Don't rent to them unless they sign.

newbie2013

murphaph wrote: »

If Irish Water start trying to bill landlords for tenants' water usage there'll be a revolt.

Who from, us Irish. Your having a fcuking laugh. We have bent over and been rammed so far up our arses since the bust and not a peep out of us. I'm actually starting to think we actually like it. Other countries go ape **** when the **** hits the fan, not us irish as we go hide under a rock and when we come out, we've another few thousand or so to pay in taxes made out of thin air.

The_Morrigan

newbie2013 wrote: »

Who from, us Irish. Your having a fcuking laugh. We have bent over and been rammed so far up our arses since the bust and not a peep out of us. I'm actually starting to think we actually like it. Other countries go ape **** when the **** hits the fan, not us irish as we go hide under a rock and when we come out, we've another few thousand or so to pay in taxes made out of thin air.

Please watch your tone and language, there are more eloquent ways to get your point across.

thegeezer

I thought newbie2013's reply was completely accurate !

ted1

newbie2013 wrote: »

Who from, us Irish. Your having a fcuking laugh. We have bent over and been rammed so far up our arses since the bust and not a peep out of us. I'm actually starting to think we actually like it. Other countries go ape **** when the **** hits the fan, not us irish as we go hide under a rock and when we come out, we've another few thousand or so to pay in taxes made out of thin air.

While your statement is true were not actually doing to bad compared to where we where

OldNotWIse

newbie2013 wrote: »

Who from, us Irish. Your having a fcuking laugh. We have bent over and been rammed so far up our arses since the bust and not a peep out of us. I'm actually starting to think we actually like it. Other countries go ape **** when the **** hits the fan, not us irish as we go hide under a rock and when we come out, we've another few thousand or so to pay in taxes made out of thin air.

That's not true.

Sometimes we write really grumpy letters to the free morning paper.

Other times we even b1tch about things on boards!

We really know how to show 'em

Think_then_talk

Got letters today from irish water, now the house is a pre 63 in six units. How on earth are they going to bill that. we only have one mains in.

accensi0n

Think_then_talk wrote: »

Got letters today from irish water, now the house is a pre 63 in six units. How on earth are they going to bill that. we only have one mains in.

I think it will be treated as unmetered and will fall under Assessed Charges, a flat rate fee based on the number of occupants.

http://www.moneyguideireland.com/unmetered-water-charges-how-will-it-work.html

hfallada

Think_then_talk wrote: »

Got letters today from irish water, now the house is a pre 63 in six units. How on earth are they going to bill that. we only have one mains in.

How you recently updated the house to cover the new regulations regarding Pre-63s?

garhjw

hfallada wrote: »

How you recently updated the house to cover the new regulations regarding Pre-63s?

Which regs are you referring to?

L1011

garhjw wrote: »

Which regs are you referring to?

Minimum standards for rentals - separate bathroom for each unit, minimum cooking facilities, smoke/fire alarms etc etc. Has removed a huge amount of pre63s from the market.

Think_then_talk

MYOB wrote: »

Minimum standards for rentals - separate bathroom for each unit, minimum cooking facilities, smoke/fire alarms etc etc. Has removed a huge amount of pre63s from the market.

Ah the besit, now they want pre-fabs, thats an other story,

Might be better to fit 3 more tanks, and let them meter them individual, like the esb.
That way the tenants will have opportunity to choose their water supplier in the future.

madfcuker

Sorry to hijack the thread folks but I am trying to get an understanding of the whole billing system for the charges.

From my understanding, a pack is sent to the landlord regarding the rented house. A pack is also sent to the tenant.

Landlord fills pack, stating his position, ie is a landlord of said property. Also states who the tenants are???

Tenant fills in own separate pack for billing at said address.

BTW I am a tenant and my landlord doesn't have a clue. He wants me to use his account number and pin for billing. Can you clarify if I am correct? Had a gander over the IW website and couldn't find my answer.

Scruffy...The Janitor

murphaph wrote: »

To cover yourself, make sure you have your tenants' PPS numbers in case they ever do a runner.

A landlord has no right to demand a tenants pps number though. So you have to just rely on the tenant paying their bill the same way they pay their electricity, gas, sky etc.

sunshine and showers

Scruffy...The Janitor wrote: »

A landlord has no right to demand a tenants pps number though. So you have to just rely on the tenant paying their bill the same way they pay their electricity, gas, sky etc.

Don't landlords needs their tenants' PPS numbers to register them with the PRTB?

I believe It has since been clarified that landlords will not be responsible for arrears if tenants fail to register or pay. Heard that from someone who spoke to Irish Water last week.

I'm a bit confused as to how the water charges are going to work in our setup (as of now the whole water charges thing has been ignored and I haven't seen or spoke to the LL in over a year).

Anyway, mine is a shared house with all utility bills in the LL's name (gas, electricity etc) we just open his letters and pay the bills. However with the water charges it appears that all names of people in the house etc are required. None of us in the house want the water charges in our name (as any of us could move out at anytime) and I doubt the LL wants the hassle of having it in our names either. However I'm not sure if this can work with the water charges i.e. LL is billed and we pay, due to the fact there are multiple people in the house.

As I said we have just ignored anything to do with water charges and the LL hasn't contacted us either about it. Think we will just do nothing for now and see what happens. None of us are officially registered to the address all just renting rooms individually, no leases or any paper work at all etc.

doubter

Brielle Prehistoric Self-sacrifice wrote: »

I'm a bit confused as to how the water charges are going to work in our setup (as of now the whole water charges thing has been ignored and I haven't seen or spoke to the LL in over a year).

Anyway, mine is a shared house with all utility bills in the LL's name (gas, electricity etc) we just open his letters and pay the bills. However with the water charges it appears that all names of people in the house etc are required. None of us in the house want the water charges in our name (as any of us could move out at anytime) and I doubt the LL wants the hassle of having it in our names either. However I'm not sure if this can work with the water charges i.e. LL is billed and we pay, due to the fact there are multiple people in the house.

As I said we have just ignored anything to do with water charges and the LL hasn't contacted us either about it. Think we will just do nothing for now and see what happens. None of us are officially registered to the address all just renting rooms individually, no leases or any paper work at all etc.

I'm also in a bit of confusion here. I've no meter on my property, the fact that there's 9 dogs running about usually deters a lot of people but that aside..i would presume that if you pay for something, you can expect a detailed bill, like with the ESB, i.e. cost per unit,units used etc.
Why would i agree to pay a flat charge when I'm already payng for water through my taxes?

xxtippchickxx

My landlord received a pack to his home address with the address were rentng from on it he just sent it on to us for us send back..treated just the same as ESB or Gas bill. A LL is entitled to your PPS number if u wish to rent allowence or for them to register you with the PRTB

sunshine and showers

Brielle Prehistoric Self-sacrifice wrote: »

I'm a bit confused as to how the water charges are going to work in our setup (as of now the whole water charges thing has been ignored and I haven't seen or spoke to the LL in over a year).

Anyway, mine is a shared house with all utility bills in the LL's name (gas, electricity etc) we just open his letters and pay the bills. However with the water charges it appears that all names of people in the house etc are required. None of us in the house want the water charges in our name (as any of us could move out at anytime) and I doubt the LL wants the hassle of having it in our names either. However I'm not sure if this can work with the water charges i.e. LL is billed and we pay, due to the fact there are multiple people in the house.

As I said we have just ignored anything to do with water charges and the LL hasn't contacted us either about it. Think we will just do nothing for now and see what happens. None of us are officially registered to the address all just renting rooms individually, no leases or any paper work at all etc.

You need to fill in the names of the people on the house in order to get your free allowances, as far as I know. You won't be in a timed contract with Irish Water, so would simply inform them you are moving (if someone moves out) and pay up until you leave for your usage.

sunshine and showers

doubter wrote: »

I'm also in a bit of confusion here. I've no meter on my property, the fact that there's 9 dogs running about usually deters a lot of people but that aside..i would presume that if you pay for something, you can expect a detailed bill, like with the ESB, i.e. cost per unit,units used etc.
Why would i agree to pay a flat charge when I'm already payng for water through my taxes?

Everyone is being charged a flat rate until water meters are fitted at every property. Many houses (I would say most) across the country so not yet have a meter.

It doesn't matter whether you agree to pay the flat rate, you are going to have to pay the flat rate from tomorrow. There is a misconception that one has to "agree" to pay the water charges by registering with Irish Water - that's simply not the case. There are going to be payable by every relevant household (ie those without private wells) by law.

Viper_JB

Would the landlord not be breaching data privacy acts to provide anyone else with a tenants PPS number and information?

sunshine and showers

sunshine and showers wrote: »

It doesn't matter whether you agree to pay the flat rate, you are going to have to pay the flat rate from tomorrow. There is a misconception that one has to "agree" to pay the water charges by registering with Irish Water - that's simply not the case.

So does the LL get billed in our case where they have no details of the tenants? I don't even know if they have the LL's details as the pack from Irish water had "to the householer" on it rather then the LL's name.

sunshine and showers wrote: »

There are going to be payable by every relevant household (ie those without private wells) by law.

Houses on group water schemes are also exempt as they already pay to be in the scheme.

sunshine and showers

Brielle Prehistoric Self-sacrifice wrote: »

So does the LL get billed in our case where they have no details of the tenants? I don't even know if they have the LL's details as the pack from Irish water had "to the householer" on it rather then the LL's name.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-water-responds-to-landlords-questions-1.1946670

sunshine and showers

sunshine and showers wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-water-responds-to-landlords-questions-1.1946670

Be interesting to know if they actually have my LL's info.

I really don't want the water charges in my name in the house (I'm very happy that the other utilities are in the LL's name, makes life much easier and I'd like the same with the water charges if possible). One of my housemates is also totally refusing to pay water charges (he binned the welcome pack) so I think I will just ignore everything for now and see how it plays out.

sunshine and showers

Brielle Prehistoric Self-sacrifice wrote: »

Be interesting to know if they actually have my LL's info.

I really don't want the water charges in my name in the house and one of my housemates is totally refusing to pay water charges (he binned the welcome pack) so I think I will just ignore everything for now.

They'll know your LL owns the house.

pjmco408

I moved out of my previous rented accommodation on the 8th August ,2015 but have yet to receive my rental deposit in full as the landlord wants to retain €200 for water charges. Although we never received any correspondence or bills for irish water during our tenancy?
Can anyone over any advice on my rights?

Pac2015

I rent and my pack was sent to me it went in the bin obviously I didn't register so the LL text to say she registered us or gave out details to Irish Water as she " had to " I received the first and second bill and a reminder and all went in the bin as I am not paying now when we leave the house next year she can do what she wants and take it out of the deposit I dont really care as we know we will have hassle getting that back from her anyway as she is a nightmare to deal with.
But I do know its the tenants responsibility to register and if they dont you can pass on their details like ours did and the tenant is meant to pay the bill and if they dont take it from their deposit that way you are not out of pocket.

I too am a landlord and rent my apartment out and my tenant registered herself and paid her bills but that is her business I advised her I was not going to make anyone pay water bills and she needed to deal with it herself and so she has.

Pac2015

pjmco408 wrote: »

I moved out of my previous rented accommodation on the 8th August ,2015 but have yet to receive my rental deposit in full as the landlord wants to retain €200 for water charges. Although we never received any correspondence or bills for irish water during our tenancy?
Can anyone over any advice on my rights?

€ 200.00 is too much as the bill for this year for 2 people is € 128.42 so far I would query that with them.
You obviously didnt register with Irish Water so your LL is estimating the charge which is incorrect.
My advice would be to call Irish water and find out what the charge is on the property get it in writing and tell the LL to deduct that.

Pac2015

Pac2015 wrote: »

€ 200.00 is too much as the bill for this year for 2 people is € 128.42 so far I would query that with them.
You obviously didnt register with Irish Water so your LL is estimating the charge which is incorrect.
My advice would be to call Irish water and find out what the charge is on the property get it in writing and tell the LL to deduct that.

It would actually be between 150 and 170 euro if they are on a flat rate (260 per year for 2 or more people) if they are metered it could be more or less you will need to see the bills to know.

Pac2015

How long from the year where you in the property from when the water charges came in so far for me and my husband we have received a bill of 128.42 and the full charge is 260.00 for the year but I think you will need the bills

Pac2015

Pac2015 wrote: »

How long from the year where you in the property from when the water charges came in so far for me and my husband we have received a bill of 128.42 and the full charge is 260.00 for the year but I think you will need the bills

If we assume they were in the house on the Jan 1st then they will have 7 full months and then some for august.

260/12 = 21.6x7.25 (8 days is approx 0.25 of the month) = 157 euro, if worked out exactly or 172.8 if the LL charges them for all august.

You were very foolish not to register as you will have to pay for your water either way and now you cant claim the 100 euro conservation grant. It came into my account last week and will cover the price of plenty of pints of stout!

Pac2015

Brielle Prehistoric Self-sacrifice wrote: »

If we assume they were in the house on the Jan 1st then they will have 7 full months and then some for august.

260/12 = 21.6x7.25 (8 days is approx 0.25 of the month) = 157 euro, if worked out exactly or 172.8 if the LL charges them for all august.

I wouldnt argue over € 30.00 so !