Spare Dreamliners...

theeney

Hello,

I found this article pretty interesting about the Boeing early version Dreamliners which have failed to sell.

I wonder if they have tried to sell them to Ryanair

online.wsj.com/articles/boeing-struggles-to-find-buyers-for-early-version-dreamliners-1409347948

It wont let me post the full link but the article is from the Wall street journal.

L1011

Ryanair don't want or need widebodies. The putative long haul will be a different firm and will want some form of fleet consistency anyway

arubex

It looks like Boeing might have to eat the cost of those airframes and just cut them up. Most prospective buyers have been looking for compensation for the flight cost of the additional weight.

They might have made decent basis for conversion to freighters but apparently the 787F will be based on the -9 version.

Rather bleak future for those 'terrible teens' then.

Re: Ryanir: yes, they are looking at widebodies. The fact that it would be a separate legal entity is pedantry, we all know what theeney meant.

smurfjed

I didn't suscribe to WSJ, but i saw that they stated that 9 other aircraft orders have been cancelled, what generally happens in this sort of case is that Boeing offers earlier delivery slots to airlines who were expecting same model/engine. So this is probably where these aircraft will disappear.
As for the earlier models, they might end up as VIP configurations.

Rotunda Shill

I guess its a bit like De Havilland trying to sell off their comet 1's after the series of disasters except Boeing were fortunate that none of theirs fell out of the sky.

Bang_Bang

Rotunda Shill wrote: »

I guess its a bit like De Havilland trying to sell off their comet 1's after the series of disasters except Boeing were fortunate that none of theirs fell out of the sky.

I'd imagine that's why they won't be able to sell the early version of the 787, would you get on one of those? I wouldn't. It was still pretty much in the development /qualification/proving stage, even though it was production released and FAA certified.

Same with developing any new product, you'll always go into escalation with some issue or other, even after it's release. The Xbox springs to mind (ring of death) that cost them millions, to put right. At least the Xbox wouldn't potentially kill you in the process of a major malfunction.

L1011

smurfjed wrote: »

I didn't suscribe to WSJ, but i saw that they stated that 9 other aircraft orders have been cancelled, what generally happens in this sort of case is that Boeing offers earlier delivery slots to airlines who were expecting same model/engine. So this is probably where these aircraft will disappear.
As for the earlier models, they might end up as VIP configurations.

In this case, they aren't slots - they're built, out of spec and overweight craft sitting cluttering up Paine Field.

They're so out of spec and will be such maintenance dogs that nobody who either has or intends to have lots of 787s will want them; so its VIP, tiny airlines or the chop for them. Scrap value of the frame is tiny to actually negative due to not being metal though obviously all the extremely low hour parts are worth a fair bit.

smurfjed

The WSJ article about 9 cancellations was talking about these:

September 5: Boeing OD updates through August
- LionAir cancelled their five 787-8 - WSJ
- Transaero cancelled their four 787-8 - WSJ (same article as above)

So these are slots......

Totally different to the test aircraft.

L1011

None of those were due particularly soon though.

Tenger

arubex wrote: »

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Re: Ryanir: yes, they are looking at widebodies. The fact that it would be a separate legal entity is pedantry, we all know what theeney meant.

Well the proposed RyanAtlantic venture is based on cost efficient reliable aircraft. The early build of any commercial aircraft are always a little overweight (B777, and A380 has this issue) however the B787 was hit quite hard with this stick. And on mor of the early birds than is normal. It would take an awful discount on price to make them an attractive buy for a LCC.

smurfjed

little overweight (B777, and A380 has this issue) however the B787 was hit quite hard with this stick

I thought exactly the same as you, in a recent discussion here about the B787 to Bangkok, I was quite surprised that the aircraft had the range as i knew from newspaper reports that it had increased in weight. However, when i went back to review Boeing sales performance data from 2008, the present aircraft is actually lighter than what they were initially offering. I don't know where the weight savings came from, but they got them