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Fed up

  • 04-09-2014 10:59pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭


    I'm on a gap year and I have only started the application process for jobs. I have applied for 10 jobs now and every single one has sent me a rejection email straight away. (Didn't even wait a day)

    I don't understand what i'm doing wrong as there are classmates of mines in jobs and I personally feel that I could do the job better. All jobs are retail. Sites like Next and Asda have asked me if I knew anyone who worked their shops, obviously to recruit people they know. This is NOT fair!

    Its getting hard to keep applying for the jobs because I keep getting rejected and I don't have any confidence in myself. If companies are just going to keep taking on relatives or friends of people they know what is the point!? This is so depressing and I don't know what to do! :( i would love to know what these people are doing to get these jobs as I can't see any superior qualities to me so far!

    I'm gonna start taking my CV to stores soon if I can get the motivation to go around.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,550 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    owenc wrote: »
    I have applied for 10 jobs now and every single one has sent me a rejection email straight away. (Didn't even wait a day)

    I don't understand what i'm doing wrong.
    They must have read your posts on Boards.ie. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,926 ✭✭✭davo10


    owenc wrote: »

    :( i would love to know what these people are doing to get these jobs as I can't see any superior qualities to me so far!

    I'm gonna start taking my CV to stores soon if I can get the motivation to go around.


    Perhaps you come across on your cv as arrogant and someone who believes the world owes them a living, or it could be that they have more experience than you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭R.D. aka MR.D


    I agree with the other posters and you do seem to be coming across as a little arrogant. Personally, I've got friends jobs because the boss has asked me to. I would never recommend a friend that I thought was going to make me look bad.
    You say that you have classmates working, have you asked them if there are any jobs going?


    Are you sure there isn't something wrong with your application?

    The key to being hired in retail is basically flexibility. Available whenever until you've gotten some experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    owenc wrote: »
    I'm on a gap year and I have only started the application process for jobs. I have applied for 10 jobs now and every single one has sent me a rejection email straight away. (Didn't even wait a day)

    Are you applying for advertised vacancies or just sending your CV on spec in the hope that they have some jobs going?

    If it's the former, then I'd say there's something wrong with your CV. If it's the latter, then I think you'd better get used to rejection.
    owenc wrote: »
    I don't understand what i'm doing wrong as there are classmates of mines in jobs and I personally feel that I could do the job better. All jobs are retail. Sites like Next and Asda have asked me if I knew anyone who worked their shops, obviously to recruit people they know. This is NOT fair!

    Hiring someone is a lottery. Hiring someone who comes with the personal recommendation of someone you already trust shortens those odds quite a bit.

    Can you turn the situation around? Instead of giving out that stores are only hiring people who are recommended internally, can you "network" with your friends who are already working and see if you can get your CV in to someone's hands through them? Use your connections.
    owenc wrote: »
    Its getting hard to keep applying for the jobs because I keep getting rejected and I don't have any confidence in myself. If companies are just going to keep taking on relatives or friends of people they know what is the point!? This is so depressing and I don't know what to do! :( i would love to know what these people are doing to get these jobs as I can't see any superior qualities to me so far!

    You do have confidence though, you've stated twice in this post that you think you're better than the people already doing the roles.
    owenc wrote: »
    I'm gonna start taking my CV to stores soon if I can get the motivation to go around.

    Others may disagree with me on this, but I think this is pointless. When I was on the shop floor in retail, I'd be handed a CV every few days. They all went in the bin.
    When we were looking for staff, we advertised and we asked existing staff for recommendations. When we weren't looking for staff, we really didn't need the extra paperwork of holding on to random CVs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    What was the purpose of your gap year?

    Is this a gap year between Leaving Cert and College?

    You do know it's extremely hard to get work at the moment? Did you know this before you stared your gap year?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,292 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    owenc wrote: »
    This is NOT fair!

    Welcome to the real world - the first thing you have learned this year is that life is NOT fair. Sorry about that, but it's the way it is.

    You say your friends are working. Have you asked them if there are any jobs going where they are? Have you asked family and friends to tell you about any jobs that they know of?

    And another harsh reality for you: 10 applications is a drop in the bucket. With your likely level of experience, you're more likely to have to apply for 100, not just 10, to get some interest.

    Have you considered doing some volunteer work, in order to get experience and a reference?

    What else are you planning to achieve in your gap year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,753 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    owenc wrote: »
    I'm on a gap year and I have only started the application process for jobs. I have applied for 10 jobs now and every single one has sent me a rejection email straight away. (Didn't even wait a day)

    I don't understand what i'm doing wrong as there are classmates of mines in jobs and I personally feel that I could do the job better. All jobs are retail. Sites like Next and Asda have asked me if I knew anyone who worked their shops, obviously to recruit people they know. This is NOT fair!

    Its getting hard to keep applying for the jobs because I keep getting rejected and I don't have any confidence in myself. If companies are just going to keep taking on relatives or friends of people they know what is the point!? This is so depressing and I don't know what to do! :( i would love to know what these people are doing to get these jobs as I can't see any superior qualities to me so far!

    I'm gonna start taking my CV to stores soon if I can get the motivation to go around.

    I know people who have applied for HUNDREDS of jobs and not even got a rejection email so start counting yourself lucky. The world isn't fair, you will learn this more and more as you get older. No on owes you a job and that's just the way it is. Ask friends and family if they know of any part time work going. Don't just email places, call in with your cv and try to meet the managers and let them see you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Assassin saphir


    A lot of work goes into recruitment between paperwork, interviews training and induction. I presume when your gap year is up you will return to education so why would an employer spend all this time training and developing you when you're going to leave after a year?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    davo10 wrote: »
    Perhaps you come across on your cv as arrogant and someone who believes the world owes them a living, or it could be that they have more experience than you?
    Harsh.

    The op is eager and willing to work, anyone who falls into that category deserves something imo and will find something.

    As someone else said, 10 applications is nothing, start applying for every job you see that you have a realistic chance of getting i.e. hundreds.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    davo10 wrote: »
    Perhaps you come across on your cv as arrogant and someone who believes the world owes them a living, or it could be that they have more experience than you?

    No I haven't came across as arrogant. I've only filled out the online forms which normally ask the person filling the form out to take part in a survey.

    I'm just wondering what these other people are doing because they are no different to me.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    I agree with the other posters and you do seem to be coming across as a little arrogant. Personally, I've got friends jobs because the boss has asked me to. I would never recommend a friend that I thought was going to make me look bad.
    You say that you have classmates working, have you asked them if there are any jobs going?


    Are you sure there isn't something wrong with your application?

    The key to being hired in retail is basically flexibility. Available whenever until you've gotten some experience.

    Well I don't know how they are getting the jobs because they don't exactly have any superior qualifications or experience . According to a girl I know these people are being given jobs without even being interviewed just because they are related to an employee, apparently Next and Primark are the worst for it.

    Reading online and elsewhere it sounds like my applications aren't even being looked at. I've been on sites already which have asked if i've worked for this company before or if I have relatives in this company. So what I am wondering is if companies are taking on relatives HOW am I supposed to get a job or even experience?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    owenc, as you're learning, getting a job isn't limited to what's on an application form.

    If you know someone working in a shop, or you're good looking, your chances of getting a job there are significantly higher.

    The important thing is to not give up.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    AltAccount wrote: »
    Are you applying for advertised vacancies or just sending your CV on spec in the hope that they have some jobs going?

    If it's the former, then I'd say there's something wrong with your CV. If it's the latter, then I think you'd better get used to rejection.



    Hiring someone is a lottery. Hiring someone who comes with the personal recommendation of someone you already trust shortens those odds quite a bit.

    Can you turn the situation around? Instead of giving out that stores are only hiring people who are recommended internally, can you "network" with your friends who are already working and see if you can get your CV in to someone's hands through them? Use your connections.



    You do have confidence though, you've stated twice in this post that you think you're better than the people already doing the roles.



    Others may disagree with me on this, but I think this is pointless. When I was on the shop floor in retail, I'd be handed a CV every few days. They all went in the bin.
    When we were looking for staff, we advertised and we asked existing staff for recommendations. When we weren't looking for staff, we really didn't need the extra paperwork of holding on to random CVs.

    Well I DO want a job for something to do. I don't think i'm better than these people, I certainly don't see WHAT EXTRA qualities they have.
    Its getting hard to be motivated to apply for jobs. I have 3 A Levels and 8 GCSES with many projects that I have completed so if I can't even get to the interview stage with that what the HELL am I supposed to have?! I mean its jobs in Tesco, Asda etc not a flipping dentistry. :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    What was the purpose of your gap year?

    Is this a gap year between Leaving Cert and College?

    You do know it's extremely hard to get work at the moment? Did you know this before you stared your gap year?

    I wasn't ready to goto England. The decision to take a gap year was a swift one that I didn't think too much into.
    I thought I could get a job but it seems that companies aren't interested in me. It can be quite demotivating getting constant rejection letters and then seeing classmates or even people who have less qualifications than me with jobs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    owenc wrote: »
    ...if I can't even get to the interview stage with that what the HELL am I supposed to have?

    Contacts

    Have you called your working friends and asked them if they will hand your CV and phone number to their manager?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    A lot of work goes into recruitment between paperwork, interviews training and induction. I presume when your gap year is up you will return to education so why would an employer spend all this time training and developing you when you're going to leave after a year?

    I'm not going to tell them that I am going to UNI. Every single person including the careers advisor has told me to LIE that I am finished my studies and going to work.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    AltAccount wrote: »
    Contacts

    Have you called your working friends and asked them if they will hand your CV and phone number to their manager?

    Most of my classmates are away to UNI now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    Friends, family, schoolmates? Everyone's in Uni?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    They actually are in uni now.

    I went to a Grammar school, me and maybe 3 other people didn't goto. I tried ringing up to the uni to get into the course but they said no - despite me having well above their entry requirements.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    All your friends, all your family?

    Open up Facebook in another tab. Scroll down through your friends list and tell me that none of them are in a workplace that has people working at the level you're talking about (floor staff, sales assistants, post room etc).


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    I don't think you are getting that I went to a highly academic school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    owenc wrote: »
    I tried ringing up to the uni to get into the course but they said no - despite me having well above their entry requirements.

    Totally separate point, but I don't understand this bit.

    You can't get a job and you can't get into Uni, despite being overqualified for both? Something's wrong here...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    owenc wrote: »
    I don't think you are getting that I went to a highly academic school.

    That makes no sense whatsoever, and I don't think you're understanding my question.

    What does your dad/mum/uncle/aunt/neighbour/best friend from junior school work at?

    Have you looked at your Facebook friends list yet?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    Ugh i'm not going to tell you again they are AWAY TO UNI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    owenc wrote: »
    Ugh i'm not going to tell you again they are AWAY TO UNI.

    Your dad/mum/aunt/uncle is at Uni too?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    AltAccount wrote: »
    Totally separate point, but I don't understand this bit.

    You can't get a job and you can't get into Uni, despite being overqualified for both? Something's wrong here...

    No I tried getting into UNI at last minute.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    AltAccount wrote: »
    Your dad/mum/aunt/uncle is at Uni too?

    Erm no they don't work in retail....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    owenc wrote: »
    No I tried getting into UNI at last minute.

    Fair enough. Probably unrelated then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    owenc wrote: »
    Erm no they don't work in retail....

    I think you're deliberately ignoring my question. I think you don't want to be helped.

    Tell me what one of them works at.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭bisset


    Northern Ireland does have a high unemployment rate. It is common sense for shops etc who need extra staff for cover certain shifts to ask existing staff as over the years they may have learnt that relatives and friends of existing staff are more likely to stay ( this may conflict with the McBride principles of fair employment) As far as I understand you went to school in somewhere like INST or Methody and don't actually know anybody who works on the shop floor in a big store. Maybe you should volunteer to work in a local charity shop to learn how to work a till and so on. Could you put up a notice offering to do babysitting or cleaning?

    Good luck


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc


    bisset wrote: »
    Northern Ireland does have a high unemployment rate. It is common sense for shops etc who need extra staff for cover certain shifts to ask existing staff as over the years they may have learnt that relatives and friends of existing staff are more likely to stay ( this may conflict with the McBride principles of fair employment) As far as I understand you went to school in somewhere like INST or Methody and don't actually know anybody who works on the shop floor in a big store. Maybe you should volunteer to work in a local charity shop to learn how to work a till and so on. Could you put up a notice offering to do babysitting or cleaning?

    Good luck

    Well I knew a few people who worked in shops but most of the people didn't have jobs, there was one person working in TK Maxx but she's gone now. I live in a small town so maybe that is the issue, most jobs offered are jobs in small shops. So far i've already applied for M&S, Tesco, Asda, Lidl and Next and all have declined me within a day of me applying.. :rolleyes:

    I might consider the charity shop but I want paid..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    owenc wrote: »
    I don't think you are getting that I went to a highly academic school.
    What does this have to do with anything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    owenc wrote: »
    ...there are classmates of mines in jobs and I personally feel that I could do the job better. All jobs are retail.
    owenc wrote: »
    Well I knew a few people who worked in shops but most of the people didn't have jobs...

    and
    owenc wrote: »
    Ugh i'm not going to tell you again they are AWAY TO UNI.

    I'm confused tbh


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,524 ✭✭✭owenc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Why are you getting so irritated at everybody? Are you just looking to vent, or do you actually want advice?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,058 ✭✭✭AltAccount


    owenc wrote: »

    So they're in jobs now, that they'll be leaving in the next few weeks, requiring the employer to replace them?

    Have you given them your CV and your phone number to give to their manager?

    Am I missing something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Kobe


    Keep trying and keep improving your cv, good luck and please don't give up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,673 ✭✭✭Stavro Mueller


    Did you ever work before this? Part time jobs? Summer job? If you've got no work experience you're going to be starting on the back foot. If you're not having any luck with getting a job you should seriously consider volunteering in the likes of charity shops in the short term. It might not put money in your pocket but it is work experience. It shows you've got initiative and a work ethic. Also if you're not having any luck with getting jobs in retail would you not consider other types of work. I mean, you are going to go to uni next year anyway, aren't you? It's not as if you're looking at this as a career. Why won't you consider a job in a small shop? By the sounds of things you're being choosy and you're far from being in a position to be fussy.

    Did you get anyone to look at your CV? Maybe that's why you're falling at the first hurdle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,644 ✭✭✭cml387


    A quick google shows me that B and Q in Coleraine are looking for staff.
    Dixons as well I believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    I got my first job through a friend, she set up the interview and I was there for five years while studying and freelancing. In a tough economy, sometimes you have to grease the wheel a little.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,292 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    It seems that owenc has been given a holiday from boards.ie, so we might just leave it there.

    OP, if you come back and would like the thread re-opened, PM me. Otherwise, good luck with the job-hunting - the advice given above to work your network is good.


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