another great move by justice system

wicklowstevo · 03-09-2014 9:02pm #1

Donegal Garda killer Martin McDermott is to be released from prison 21 months early for “good behaviour.”

Garda killer Martin McDermott is to get early release from jail.
The thug from Raphoe, who mowed down Garda Gary McLoughlin in Burt in 2009, is due for early release next June.

This comes despite the fact that he escaped from jail and went on the run before being recaptured in Derry.

McDermott is entitled to 25% remission for good behaviour.

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http://www.donegalnow.com/article/4887

pbear007 · 03-09-2014 9:03pm

Yep and locking up a woman for home schooling her kids .

Nodin · 03-09-2014 9:04pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

http://www.donegaldaily.com/2014/09/03/uproar-as-donegal-garda-killer-to-get-early-release-from-jail/

He wasn't convicted of murder, killing a Garda in the course of his duty etc, so he's entitled to be out, whatever you might think of the original sentence.

Comer1 · 03-09-2014 9:05pm

I often wonder would he have been done for murder if this had happened in the US?

paulbok · 03-09-2014 9:07pm

So escaping qualifies as good behaviour?
Pontious Pilate wept.

wicklowstevo · 03-09-2014 9:07pm

Nodin wrote: »

He wasn't convicted of murder, killing a Garda in the course of his duty etc, so he's entitled to be out, whatever you might think of the original sentence.

after running off from a open prison ? surely a extra year at least for that ?

riffmongous · 03-09-2014 9:07pm

It seems to be geo blocked for me, any chance of a copy+paste? It's a pretty lazy OP anyway to be honest

paulbok · 03-09-2014 9:08pm

Comer1 wrote: »

I often wonder would he have been done for murder if this had happened in the US?

Mow down a cop in the US? probably a 1/3 chance he wouldn't have made it to trial due to an unfortunate accident while in custody.

Nodin · 03-09-2014 9:10pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

after running off from a open prison ? surely a extra year at least for that ?

Apparently not. I would have thought it a serious offence meself, but that shows what I know.

Skylinehead · 03-09-2014 9:10pm

Is the Donegal Daily a subsidiary of the Daily Mail?

THUG

BRAVE

wicklowstevo · 03-09-2014 9:11pm

riffmongous wrote: »

It seems to be geo blocked for me, any chance of a copy+paste? It's a pretty lazy OP anyway to be honest

so dont bother then

solomafioso · 03-09-2014 9:13pm

Your link is bad, and you should feel bad.

Tail Docker · 03-09-2014 9:14pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

so dont bother then

Your link is borked. Sort it, slacker, in other words.

riffmongous · 03-09-2014 9:15pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

so dont bother then

The original link did seem to be working for others, I just couldn't access it as I am not in Ireland. I just wanted a copy and paste of the article text to read instead.

El Weirdo · 03-09-2014 9:15pm

pbear007 wrote: »

Yep and locking up a woman for home schooling her kids .

Except that she wasn't locked up "for home-schooling her kids".

Tail Docker · 03-09-2014 9:18pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

Except that she wasn't locked up "for home-schooling her kids".

Very true. She sort of stayed for tea then went home. I lolled anyway. "I did my time for the kids.." all five minutes of it..are the Gards not embarrased bothering with shyte like this?

solomafioso · 03-09-2014 9:18pm

From Nodin's post above (with proper link before the borked editing)

http://www.donegaldaily.com/2014/09/03/uproar-as-donegal-garda-killer-to-get-early-release-from-jail/

UPROAR AS DONEGAL GARDA KILLER TO GET EARLY RELEASE FROM JAIL
September 3, 2014
Donegal Garda killer Martin McDermott is to be released from prison 21 months early for “good behaviour.”

Garda killer Martin McDermott is to get early release from jail.
The thug from Raphoe, who mowed down Garda Gary McLoughlin in Burt in 2009, is due for early release next June.

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ratracer · 03-09-2014 9:19pm

If everyone was a law abiding citizen, there would be no jobs for judges and lawyers..... ergo -> judges (former lawyers and barristers) come up with reasons to release likely re-offenders, so the 'money go round' keeps spinning!

riffmongous · 03-09-2014 9:20pm

ratracer wrote: »

If everyone was a law abiding citizen, there would be no jobs for judges and lawyers..... ergo -> judges (former lawyers and barristers) come up with reasons to release likely re-offenders, so the 'money go round' keeps spinning!

Or we should commit more crime to create more jobs?

03-09-2014 9:23pm

I think the problem here is that he was convicted of manslaughter.
Everyone is entitled to time off for good behaviour.

Killing a member of AGS is or was a capital crime, used to be punished by death, but was reduced when we stopped the death penalty.

My problem with this is, if you drive a car directly at a marked garda car, obviously intending to kill or injure the guards inside, then as far as I'm concerned that's a capital crime.

Manslaughter?? Really?

ratracer · 03-09-2014 9:29pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Or we should commit more crime to create more jobs?

Which are you; judge or solicitor??

Tail Docker · 03-09-2014 9:35pm

bubblypop wrote: »

I think the problem here is that he was convicted of manslaughter.
Everyone is entitled to time off for good behaviour.

Killing a member of AGS is or was a capital crime, used to be punished by death, but was reduced when we stopped the death penalty.

My problem with this is, if you drive a car directly at a marked garda car, obviously intending to kill or injure the guards inside, then as far as I'm concerned that's a capital crime.

Manslaughter?? Really?

He wasn't in a Toyota by any chance? Maybe he was trying to brake..

pbear007 · 03-09-2014 9:35pm

Tail Docker wrote: »

Very true. She sort of stayed for tea then went home. I lolled anyway. "I did my time for the kids.." all five minutes of it..are the Gards not embarrased bothering with shyte like this?

She WAS locked up .Its the government and their supporters should be embarassed not the woman or Gardai .

wiseoldelf34 · 03-09-2014 9:44pm

cop killer ftw

efb · 03-09-2014 9:50pm

Maybe Ferris will collect him in the van and they can have a party?

That was manslaughter too.

ThisRegard · 03-09-2014 10:12pm

pbear007 wrote: »

Yep and locking up a woman for home schooling her kids .

pbear007 wrote: »

She WAS locked up .Its the government and their supporters should be embarassed not the woman or Gardai .

She wasn't locked up for that, despite what she wants people to think.

AlekSmart · 04-09-2014 1:37am

Nodin wrote: »

Apparently not. I would have thought it a serious offence meself, but that shows what I know.

Serious...ish it appears.....

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/RD12000085

Sentence details
8 years, one suspended Manslaughter from 23/12/2009
5 years Endangerment from 23/12/2009
5 years Dangerous driving causing death from 23/12/2009
6 months Drink driving/no insurance/no driving licence

1 year Forgery from 23/12/2009
2.5 years Aggravated Burglary from 23/12/2009

All sentences above are concurrent and were backdated to 23 December, 2009.

Previous Convictions

Martin McDermott had previously served a number of custodial periods between 2005 – 2008 for a range of offences including drink driving, burglary, threatening and abusive behaviour and no insurance.

While in custody in 2007 he had previously absconded from Loughan House on 27 November 2007, returning to custody on 3 December, 2007.

Of some note is the Dept of Justice's decision to get all wooly on the issue of this gentleman's "Previous".....perhaps not surprising,given they are all CONVICTIONS.

http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/donegal-news/garda-killer-martin-mcdermott-jailed-after-prison-escape-1-3658037

Two sets of handcuffs had to be used to restrain him. After his arrest he was taken to Strand Road police station where he admitted the offences and apologised to the police.

McDermott, who has almost 100 criminal convictions including a conviction in 2009 for the manslaughter of a garda at Burt in, had only one previous conviction in Northern Ireland, which related to his failure to surrender to bail.

He was,by all accounts,something of a model prisoner too...

In this particular case, staff and services were of the view that Martin McDermott’s rehabilitation would be better achieved in an Open Centre setting for a number of reasons including his good behaviour and his engagement with services there. In addition, he was from the Donegal area and such a transfer would facilitate family visits, consolidating the links regarded as crucial for rehabilitation and reintegration.

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/killer-mcdermott-in-jail-scandal

McDermott was later found to have had twice the legal limit of alcohol in his system when he drove his car straight at the Garda vehicle.

Perhaps the greater question is what actual value this State,and ourselves is/are prepared to put on the lives of people such as Gary McLoughlin.

By the looks of it,once Garda McLoughlin died,he ceased to be of any interest whatsoever to Ireland,whilst his killer's health,welfare and future opportunities are now top priority,with many branches of the State's professional services all fully engaged in the process.....

Prisoners’ cases are reviewed on a monthly basis in the Midlands Prison. At these reviews, the Governor and staff and all services involved in the sentence management of the prisoner - including the Education Unit, the Probation Service, the Chaplain and Addiction Service – offer their views and recommendations. This information enables an official from the Operations Directorate who attends the meeting to make an informed decision on the prisoner’s sentence management.

What exactly IS the message to be read from all of this ?

91 previous Convictions prior to killing a young man with NO previous convictions,and yet we're encouraged to ponder a wee bit more on ways to inform our decisions ...:(

Hotblack Desiato · 05-09-2014 12:39pm

Concurrent sentencing should be banned. It's ridiculous to convict a criminal for multiple serious offences but have them serve no extra time in jail.

tayto lover · 05-09-2014 12:49pm

I often wonder if prison is necessary except for people who are too dangerous to be free.

In many cases I would think that putting criminals out to work in a well supervised environment would be far more beneficial to society. They would learn trades, do community work and feel tired at night rather than lying up all day and costing the state 65K each per year while locked up.

Muahahaha · 05-09-2014 12:54pm

Our prison system is in a mess, it can only hold aournd 4000 people when the reality is it should be capable of holding almost twice that. Thornton Hall never got built and it was badly needed when it was at the planning stage and here we are 10 years on and still a sod hasnt been turned. One of the first things Alan Shatter did as Minister for Justice was release almost 1000 convicted criminals onto the streets as they needed to free up space in the prisons for new inmates. Criminals know all this so our justice system doesnt phase them one bit, if anything right now is one of the best times to commit crime as the State barely has the capacity to lock you up and even when they do it wont be for long.

There simply isnt any more space in the prisons and the State is going to release violent criminals early, even giving them their 25% off for good behaviour, despite the fact they absconded when they were inside.

I havent heard any politician mention Thornton Hall getting built since about 2006, it just isnt on the agenda. So while that remains the case we're going to see more and more cases like the one in the OP

Beano · 05-09-2014 1:00pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

Except that she wasn't locked up "for home-schooling her kids".

never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Santa Cruz · 05-09-2014 2:32pm

Beano wrote: »

never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

She was so delusioned she thought she was Rosa Parks.
If the State didn't have inspections of kids being schooled at home they could be open to any type of abuse. She would probably have protested about the electrification scheme if she was around in the 30s. Another nutter like the Harrington one

end of the road · 05-09-2014 3:17pm

Beano wrote: »

never let facts get in the way of a good rant.

it was still a waste of time and money either way. the space could have been kept for a violent criminal

ThisRegard · 05-09-2014 3:25pm

What space? She was let out straight away.

end of the road · 05-09-2014 3:50pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

What space? She was let out straight away.

it was a waste of money and thats it

Beano · 05-09-2014 4:27pm

end of the road wrote: »

it was a waste of money and thats it

so keeping the a space for 30 minutes for a violent criminal is irrelevant?

Hotblack Desiato · 05-09-2014 9:04pm

end of the road wrote: »

it was a waste of money and thats it

Perhaps, but there must be some sanction applied to people who refuse to pay fines. The sooner the attachment of earnings legislation comes in, the better (and I hope they apply at least a 100% penalty on those who can pay but don't.)

creolebelle · 05-09-2014 9:15pm

Comer1 wrote: »

I often wonder would he have been done for murder if this had happened in the US?

He would be killed in certain states

hatrickpatrick · 05-09-2014 9:21pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

Except that she wasn't locked up "for home-schooling her kids".

No, she was jailed for rejecting state meddling and bureaucracy.

El Weirdo · 06-09-2014 1:44pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

No, she was jailed for rejecting state meddling and bureaucracy.

No, she was jailed for non-payment of a fine.

another great move by justice system

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