Freeview but to Saoirview

pcasso

I have a saorview tv plugged into my apartment complex's group aerial.
I receive all the expected freeview channels for the area, Carlingford, but while I have tuned in all the Saorview channels, the only ones that are watchable are RTE 1, RTE 1 + and junior RTE. RTE2, TV3, E3 etc are all heavily distorted.

Now is this because of the alignment of the aerial or is their something I can do to boost the quality of the saorview channels. A TV signal boost box has had no positive effect. Would a saoirview box make a difference?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.
Apologies if this has been covered before but I couldn't find it anywhere.
Ta

Liefelt

A Saorview box won't make any difference.

As regards the aerial system, I suppose the only part you can check yourself is the flylead between the wall point & your TV: some of these leads can be of dubious quality. Other than that, I presume it would be a matter for the building management or landlord, & if they don't want to know, you might be able to get satisfactory reception with an indoor aerial at that location.

pcasso

Liefelt wrote: »

A Saorview box won't make any difference. As regards the aerial system, I suppose the only part you can check yourself is the flylead between the wall point & your TV: some of these leads can be of dubious quality. Other than that, I presume it would be a matter for the building management or landlord.

Thanks for your reply.
I will check the lead but I think it is fine.
I assume the group aerial is at an optimum position to maximise the channels received but I can always inquire just in case.
Ta.

Liefelt

Has this problem been ongoing for some time, or just a day or 2? Weather conditions atm could be bringing in interfering signals from distant transmitters, that wouldn't normally be apparent e.g. the local Greenore transmitter could be susceptible to interference from the Isle of Man or Wales.

pcasso

Liefelt wrote: »

Has this problem been ongoing for some time, or just a day or 2? Weather conditions atm could be bringing in interfering signals from distant transmitters, that wouldn't normally be apparent e.g. the local Greenore transmitter could be susceptible to interference from the Isle of Man or Wales.

I only moved in recently but the problem has been pretty consistent.
The quality varies a little but all the saorview channels bar the ones mentioned are never watchable

Chimichangas

what area are you in? what channels are you getting the saorview station signals on? and do you know what channels you are supposed to be receiving?
all the stations are split into 2 channels, but AFAIK a 3rd is replacing one of those channels?? and ATM there is a duplicate channel; one decent reception, one crap.
maybe this is the effect you are receiving?
You don't receive any UK free view TV do you..?

I think my parents needed a manual retune for a channel to get good signal for some of the saorview stations. The channel just doesn't come up on the auto scan. it over writes the dodgy signal. all good afterwards.
you could try a manual scan going through the 50s, if that's where the channels are, and see which ones has a signal, then add them.

Chimichangas

ah you do get freeview, nice one! but check what is in the 50s, probably only saorview there. hope it solves it for you.
off topic but any idea is your freeview from warren point , divis or Wales?

Liefelt

It isn't going to be Divis, or Wales. Benagh looks like the only site usable from Carlingford, with Kilkeel & Rostrevor behind hills.

Liefelt

Chimichangas wrote: »

... what channels are you getting the saorview station signals on? and do you know what channels you are supposed to be receiving?

Saorview approved equipment (if that's what the OP has) is supposed to put the services with the best signal at the top of the list.

It's worth checking out but, just to rephrase, what the OP is looking for are the UHF channel numbers (e.g. Greenore has RTE2, TV3, 3e & TG4 on channel 43 &, RTE1, RTE1 +1 & RTE jr. on channel 40) or frequencies (e.g. ch.43 is 650 mHz).

Liefelt

Actually, if the OP is in Carlingford town itself, I can't see how anything but Greenore would be getting in there.

Chimichangas

Liefelt wrote:

It's worth checking out but, just to rephrase, what the OP is looking for are the UHF channel numbers (e.g. Greenore has RTE2, TV3, 3e & TG4 on channel 43 &, RTE1, RTE1 +1 & RTE jr. on channel 40) or frequencies (e.g. ch.43 is 650 mHz).

on a tablet, just saw the post about carlingford, not too sure what op was, hope it was close... but you're right, greenore channel numbers I didn't know. that should be what he's getting. otherwise he should manually scan for them.

Liefelt wrote:

Saorview approved equipment (if that's what the OP has) is supposed to put the services with the best signal at the top of the list.

parents TV had a dvbt2 tuner and it didn't pick up the best signal saorview channels until manually tuned. as I described. was it approved? I didn't check. it wasn't a comprehensive list as I'm sure you know.

pcasso

Thanks for all the replies.
Some of it is a little over my head.
Am I right in thinking that the saorview channels are bundled in two groups for transmission?
ie, RTE 1, RTE +1 and RTE junior in one bundle and the rest in a second one?
It would certainly explain why some of the channels are good and some unwatchable.
So if I manually scan for the second bundle around the 650 mHz I may get better quality signals.
I am away at the minute but will give it a try next week when I get back.
Thanks again for all the information.
Hopefully this sorts out the problem or I am open to any other suggestions as well.

Liefelt

pcasso wrote: »

... Some of it is a little over my head.

Not from me, I hope? There's not a lot of point replying to queries here if I just end up confusing people further.

pcasso wrote: »

So if I manually scan for the second bundle around the 650 mHz I may get better quality signals.

If you're in Carlingford itself, I'd be pretty sure that you have them on that frequency already: Saorview on UHF chs. 40 & 43; Freeview on 22, 25 & 28. I'd say the problem lies somewhere with the communal aerial system.

pcasso

Liefelt wrote: »

Not from me, I hope? There's not a lot of point replying to queries here if I just end up confusing people further.



If you're in Carlingford itself, I'd be pretty sure that you have them on that frequency already: Saorview on UHF chs. 40 & 43; Freeview on 22, 25 & 28. I'd say the problem lies somewhere with the communal aerial system.

Thanks very much for the advice and feedback.
I will check it all out and report back if I have any joy.

The Cush

Chimichangas wrote: »

all the stations are split into 2 channels, but AFAIK a 3rd is replacing one of those channels?? and ATM there is a duplicate channel; one decent reception, one crap.
maybe this is the effect you are receiving?

What are you referring to??? This has nothing to do with the OP only adding confusion.

The Cush

pcasso wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that the saorview channels are bundled in two groups for transmission?
ie, RTE 1, RTE +1 and RTE junior in one bundle and the rest in a second one?
It would certainly explain why some of the channels are good and some unwatchable.
So if I manually scan for the second bundle around the 650 mHz I may get better quality signals.

The Saorview channels are split between 2 frequencies/UHF channels per transmitter, each frequency carries a number of channels in a bundle called a multiplex (mux). If an aerial is correctly aligned on the best transmitter for your location then the signal levels should be the same for both frequencies/multiplexes and the channels should be received without distortion.

http://www.2rn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/2RN-DTT-Television-Transmission-Network-Sep-2014.pdf (Greenore - Multiplex 1/UHF 43, Multiplex 2/UHF 40)

Current Saorview multiplex line-up, if you get this arrangement all is good.

Channel line-up by LCN on a Saorview TV setup with Ireland as the country/region on first install

LCN

|

Channel

||

Mux

|
01|RTÉ One|HD|2|
02|RTÉ Two|HD|1|
03|TV3|SD|1|
04|TG4|SD|1|
05|3e|SD|1|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|1|
07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|2|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|2|
09-10|(not used)|||
11*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|1|previously LCN01 RTÉ1 SD
12*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|RTÉ Lyric FM audio
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|2|TG4 subtitles and teletext tested previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|2|
16|(not used)|||
17*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|1|previously LCN07 RTÉ Junior
18*|-|SD|1|previously LCN08 RTÉ1 +1
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|1|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|1|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|1|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|1|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|1|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|1|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio|1|
207*|-||1|previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|1|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio|1|
210|(not used)||
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|2|
215-220*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|2|
249|SSU||1|
250|SSU||2|

Multiplex 1

LCN

|

Channel

||
02|RTÉ Two|HD|
03|TV3|SD|
04|TG4|SD|
05|3e|SD|
06|RTÉ News Now|SD|
11*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|previously LCN01 RTÉ1 SD
17*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|previously LCN07 RTÉ Junior
18*|-|SD|previously LCN08 RTÉ1 +1
200|RTÉ Radio 1|Radio|
201|RTÉ Radio 1 Extra|Radio|
202|RTÉ 2FM|Radio|
203|RTÉ Lyric FM|Radio|
204|RTÉ Raidió na Gaeltachta|Radio|
205|RTÉ Pulse|Radio|
206|RTÉ 2XM|Radio
207*||previously RTÉ Choice
208|RTÉ Gold|Radio|
209|RTÉ Junior/RTÉ Chill|Radio

Multiplex 2

LCN

|

Channel

||
01|RTÉ One|HD|
12*| (no channel name/testcard) |HD|
13*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|
14*|(no channel name/testcard)|HD|TG4 subtitles and teletext previously
15*|(no channel name/testcard)|SD|
16|(not used)||
07|RTÉ Junior**|SD|
08|RTÉ One +1**|SD|
211-212*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|
213*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|
214*|(no radio channel name)|Radio|
215-220*|(no radio channel names)|Radio|no audio

* Hidden on Saorview receivers but can be selected by entering the channel no. via the remote control
** RTÉ Junior 0700-1845 approx / RTÉ One +1 1900-0100/0200 approx. Timesharing

Gonzo

anyone know why TG4 HD is not on Saorview?, Looks to be plenty of unused channels on Mux 2?

The Cush

Gonzo wrote: »

anyone know why TG4 HD is not on Saorview?, Looks to be plenty of unused channels on Mux 2?

Cost probably, multiplexing tariff €963,278 (SD) vs. €2,152,359 (HD).

Chimichangas

I think you have it. 2 mux bundles. either tunes for Herz or the channel number. I think it will work.

Chimichangas

The Cush wrote:

What are you referring to??? This has nothing to do with the OP only adding confusion.

lol, not sure. must have been more tired than I thought. it went from 1 mux to 2 was it? and there is no 3rd? where was my parents bad picture coming from? similar to op? but after a manual scan for a mux it was as expected?

well, doesn't matter now. the main point from my experience is manual retune for the MUX that gives a better viewing experience.

I certainly didn't mean to cause that confusion.
hopefully amongst all the confusion op found clarity. ðŸ˜႒

over.

Thule

Chimichangas wrote: »

... 2 mux bundles. either tunes for Herz or the channel number. I think it will work.

Carlingford is probably one of the few places in the country where "it" won't work, as there would be no other signal there except for the wanted one, both Saorview & Freeview. (Greenore & Benagh: no Clermont Carn, Camlough, Kilkeel etc.)