Is this propaganda?

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Anyone paying attention to UK news in the past week or so will have seen the story of mass child abuse in the English town of Rotherham over 16 years. The Rotherham Borough Council published a report recently which detailed more than 1,400 girls, some as young as 11, who were raped, trafficked and abused between 1997 and 2013.

The report states the following:

"In a large number of the historic cases in particular, most of the victims in the cases we sampled were white British children, and the majority of the perpetrators were from minority ethnic communities. They were described generically in the files as ‘Asian males’ without precise reference being made to their ethnicity."

Later, it describes a Deputy Council Leader (2011-2014) who thought that criminal convictions for Asian men for child sexual exploitation in 2010 was "not an example of a more deep-rooted problem of Pakistani-heritage perpetrators targeting young white girls..." which the report says was "at best naïve, and at worst ignoring a politically inconvenient truth."

Channel 4, this evening, broadcast an interview between Jon Snow and Ruzwana Bashir, herself a victim of child sexual exploitation. Bashir is from Skipton, which is 60 miles away from Rotherham.

Jon Snow begins the interview by saying: "Can we start with the report which suggested of these 1400 girls, nearly all of them were white. And it seemed to me, when I was in Rotherham last week, real evidence of underreporting by Pakistani girls."

Am I the only one who thinks this smells a bit of propaganda? I feel sympathy for Ms Bashir, but it almost seems like Channel 4 summoned her for an interview on primetime TV to say, "the Rotherham case was not racial. Asian girls are the victims or rape also".

No one wants to see the Rotherham case hijacked by racist parties like the BNP, but similarly no one wants to be patronised when seeing media coverage of this event. The facts are the facts.

Gatling

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http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057277904/34

dxhound2005

Malik Flat Wagon wrote: »

Anyone paying attention to UK news in the past week or so will have seen the story of mass child abuse in the English town of Rotherham over 16 years. The Rotherham Borough Council published a report recently which detailed more than 1,400 girls, some as young as 11, who were raped, trafficked and abused between 1997 and 2013.

The report states the following:

"In a large number of the historic cases in particular, most of the victims in the cases we sampled were white British children, and the majority of the perpetrators were from minority ethnic communities. They were described generically in the files as ‘Asian males’ without precise reference being made to their ethnicity."

Later, it describes a Deputy Council Leader (2011-2014) who thought that criminal convictions for Asian men for child sexual exploitation in 2010 was "not an example of a more deep-rooted problem of Pakistani-heritage perpetrators targeting young white girls..." which the report says was "at best naïve, and at worst ignoring a politically inconvenient truth."

Channel 4, this evening, broadcast an interview between Jon Snow and Ruzwana Bashir, herself a victim of child sexual exploitation. Bashir is from Skipton, which is 60 miles away from Rotherham.

Jon Snow begins the interview by saying: "Can we start with the report which suggested of these 1400 girls, nearly all of them were white. And it seemed to me, when I was in Rotherham last week, real evidence of underreporting by Pakistani girls."

Am I the only one who thinks this smells a bit of propaganda? I feel sympathy for Ms Bashir, but it almost seems like Channel 4 summoned her for an interview on primetime TV to say, "the Rotherham case was not racial. Asian girls are the victims or rape also".

No one wants to see the Rotherham case hijacked by racist parties like the BNP, but similarly no one wants to be patronised when seeing media coverage of this event. The facts are the facts.

It wouldn't be propaganda if it is true. And Ms Bashir herself says that it is in the report. Maybe she is wrong, I don't know because I didn't read the report. Did you read the report?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/29/-sp-untold-story-culture-of-shame-ruzwana-bashir

Much of the media coverage has focused on how men of mostly Asian descent preyed on vulnerable young white victims. The details of this abuse are awful. But what has largely been ignored is the report’s finding that sexual abuse has been systemically under-reported among Asian girls due to deeply entrenched cultural taboos – obscuring the reality that there is a similarly rampant problem of minority girls being abused by members of their own community.

kneemos

Trying to report the facts I'd say.

There was a documentary about child abuse in Pakistan earlier on channel 4,it appears to be widespread and almost acceptable.The authorities admitted that they don't gave time to worry about it.

Gatling

kneemos wrote: »

Trying to report the facts I'd say.

There was a documentary about child abuse in Pakistan earlier on channel 4,it appears to be widespread and almost acceptable.The authorities admitted that they don't gave time to worry about it.

Sickening stuff actually

policarp

Malik Flat Wagon wrote: »

Anyone paying attention to UK news in the past week or so will have seen the story of mass child abuse in the English town of Rotherham over 16 years. The Rotherham Borough Council published a report recently which detailed more than 1,400 girls, some as young as 11, who were raped, trafficked and abused between 1997 and 2013.

The report states the following:

"In a large number of the historic cases in particular, most of the victims in the cases we sampled were white British children, and the majority of the perpetrators were from minority ethnic communities. They were described generically in the files as ‘Asian males’ without precise reference being made to their ethnicity."

Later, it describes a Deputy Council Leader (2011-2014) who thought that criminal convictions for Asian men for child sexual exploitation in 2010 was "not an example of a more deep-rooted problem of Pakistani-heritage perpetrators targeting young white girls..." which the report says was "at best naïve, and at worst ignoring a politically inconvenient truth."

Channel 4, this evening, broadcast an interview between Jon Snow and Ruzwana Bashir, herself a victim of child sexual exploitation. Bashir is from Skipton, which is 60 miles away from Rotherham.

Jon Snow begins the interview by saying: "Can we start with the report which suggested of these 1400 girls, nearly all of them were white. And it seemed to me, when I was in Rotherham last week, real evidence of underreporting by Pakistani girls."

Am I the only one who thinks this smells a bit of propaganda? I feel sympathy for Ms Bashir, but it almost seems like Channel 4 summoned her for an interview on primetime TV to say, "the Rotherham case was not racial. Asian girls are the victims or rape also".

No one wants to see the Rotherham case hijacked by racist parties like the BNP, but similarly no one wants to be patronised when seeing media coverage of this event. The facts are the facts.

How can this be kept secret for so long?
And Rotherham is only one of the places where
this was going on. . .

Gatling

policarp wrote: »

And Rotherham is only one of the places where
this was going on. . .

No apparently it quite widespread several big cases came to light over the last 2 years and we got the same response there is no race issue going on , it's young white girls many at risk been used and abused by Asian men off all ages

Then it was EDl propaganda

Now it's Ukip propaganda

WilyCoyote

A pattern emerges. Does anyone remember the horrendous Reading kidnap, rape and attempted murder of a couple of white girls some years back?

WilyCoyote

Double take

kneemos

Gatling wrote: »

No apparently it quite widespread several big cases came to light over the last 2 years and we got the same response there is no race issue going on , it's young white girls many at risk been used and abused by Asian men off all ages

Then it was EDl propaganda

Now it's Ukip propaganda

Ukip might use it but it's not propaganda if it actually happened.
The original reason for the cover up in fact was so as not to sour race relations.

Gatling

kneemos wrote: »

Ukip might use it but it's not propaganda if it actually happened.
The original reason for the cover up in fact was so as not to sour race relations.

I know it's not propaganda but there is a minority who believes it's propaganda

policarp

WilyCoyote wrote: »

A pattern emerges. Does anyone remember the horrendous Reading kidnap, rape and attempted murder of a couple of white girls some years back?

There is an add on British TV, which I've seen in the last few weeks, that is asking everyone to watch out for incidents of slavery and anyone who could be involved.
Apparently it's not a rare occurance

Timmyctc

WilyCoyote wrote: »

A pattern emerges. Does anyone remember the horrendous Reading kidnap, rape and attempted murder of a couple of white girls some years back?

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Double take

What pattern exactly? There seems to be little shared between, say this lot and some other high profile examples of rape and abuse cases in the UK in recent years, beyond the obvious fact they are all sick ****s. Unless maybe there's some ethnic slant I'm missing connecting Ian Watkins, Rotherham, Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris among others? Sure maybe the Catholic Priests doing it over here were muslim 'asian' men too?

Esel

Almost all official statements could be considered to be propaganda of some hue or another.

One relevant question might be: Is it black, white or grey propaganda?

[ Above comment is general; not specific to this thread. ]

Propaganda is by its nature devious. Need to hide/cover up a huge scandal? Reveal a smaller, related, one that will take attention away from it. Continue this distraction, while continuing to hide/poo-poo the huge (read damaging to officialdom) scandal. Reputations are at stake after all. The fabric of society could break down etc. ad nauseam. Impugn/destroy the whistleblowers as required. They do not count.

Dogs can smell cancer, and can find bodies (alive or dead) in all kinds of debris. When they are recognised as being able to sniff out official corruption, a final trip to the vet will be in order.

There are a lot of shitstorms on the horizon, but the short-term weather forecast is good...

WilyCoyote

Timmyctc wrote: »

What pattern exactly? There seems to be little shared between, say this lot and some other high profile examples of rape and abuse cases in the UK in recent years, beyond the obvious fact they are all sick ****s. Unless maybe there's some ethnic slant I'm missing connecting Ian Watkins, Rotherham, Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris among others? Sure maybe the Catholic Priests doing it over here were muslim 'asian' men too?

AFAIK neither Saville nor Rolf Harris tried to kill their victims after the abuse took place. But I may be missing something here.

RobYourBuilder

Timmyctc wrote: »

What pattern exactly? There seems to be little shared between, say this lot and some other high profile examples of rape and abuse cases in the UK in recent years, beyond the obvious fact they are all sick ****s. Unless maybe there's some ethnic slant I'm missing connecting

Some stats:

Research conducted by the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre (Ceop) on "localised grooming" - where children have been groomed and sexually exploited by an offender having first met in a public place - looked at 1,217 offenders.

The findings, published last year, found 30% of offenders - 367 - were white. Some 28% were Asian, of whom 11 were Bangladeshi, 45 were Pakistani and 290 were described as "Asian Other".

Of the victims, 61% of the 2,083 victims were white, while just 3% were Asian. Some 33% were of referred to as "other".

Source: The Beeb.

By date of conviction, we have evidence of such exploitation taking place in Keighley (2005 and 2013), Blackpool (2006), Oldham (2007 and 2008), Blackburn (2007, 2008 and 2009), Sheffield (2008), Manchester (2008 and 2013) Skipton (2009), Rochdale (two cases in 2010, one in 2012 and another in 2013), Nelson (2010), Preston (2010) Rotherham (2010) Derby (2010), Telford (2012), Bradford (2012), Ipswich (2013), Birmingham (2013), Oxford (2013), Barking (2013) and Peterborough (2013).

Source: Channel 4 - Factcheck - Grooming gangs.

pickarooney

Malik Flat Wagon wrote: »

Channel 4, this evening, broadcast an interview between Jon Snow and Ruzwana Bashir, herself a victim of child sexual exploitation. Bashir is from Skipton, which is 60 miles away from Rotherham.

Sure what would he know?

The media made it propaganda, the media have to have an angle.. venerable young people have always been targeted by adults with ulterior motives, for example Oliver Twist although that's a book.

Xeyn

I see some believe that it can't be propaganda if what is stated is factual, which is obviously not true.