easy question on straw..

davycc

hi im wondering does straw regrow after its been cut for bales like silage grass does or does it need re seeding and ploughing?

genuine question I am from a dairy background and only thought of it recently:o

Zoo4m8

Genuine answer.....NO

dazed+confused

Are you for real?

Deano7

Don't ask that question at an IFA meeting

5live

davycc wrote: »

hi im wondering does straw regrow after its been cut for bales like silage grass does or does it need re seeding and ploughing?

genuine question I am from a dairy background and only thought of it recently:o

All cereals are annual crops and complete their life cycle in one year. This means that once they germinate, they complete their life cycle by forming a seed head and die off. The seeds that are formed lie dormant over winter and germinate again the following year when conditions allow.

The life cycle of grass would be similar except for the frequent grazing that stops a seedhead from forming. Also, grass tillers better than cereals so there will be younger tillers that don't die off and remain till the following year when they will try again to form a seed head.

Hope that helps a bit.

GRASSorMUCK

5live wrote: »

The seeds that are formed lie dormant over winter and germinate again the following year when conditions allow.

Just an edit some cereals of the same species(wheat eg.) can be winter or spring and require a process called vernalisation to produce a seed head. It's essentially low tempatures over a period of time.

Dawggone

GRASSorMUCK wrote: »

Just an edit some cereals of the same species(wheat eg.) can be winter or spring and require a process called vernalisation to produce a seed head. It's essentially low tempatures over a period of time.

Quick question : do you put the sample of hss winter wheat in the fridge before you do a germination test?

conor t

Dawggone wrote: »

Quick question : do you put the sample of hss winter wheat in the fridge before you do a germination test?

Might be wrong but I think vernalization is just to do with the formation of a seedhead and not germination, so it shouldn't be needed??

Dawggone

conor t wrote: »

Might be wrong but I think vernalization is just to do with the formation of a seedhead and not germination, so it shouldn't be needed??

I personally don't think it's needed but my Dad always did it. That's all.

blue5000

davycc wrote: »

hi im wondering does straw regrow after its been cut for bales like silage grass does or does it need re seeding and ploughing?

genuine question I am from a dairy background and only thought of it recently:o

Depends on whether or not a green and yellow combine is used to cut it. 6 or 8 st out the back per acre would grow a fair crop.

davycc

5live wrote: »

All cereals are annual crops and complete their life cycle in one year. This means that once they germinate, they complete their life cycle by forming a seed head and die off. The seeds that are formed lie dormant over winter and germinate again the following year when conditions allow.

The life cycle of grass would be similar except for the frequent grazing that stops a seedhead from forming. Also, grass tillers better than cereals so there will be younger tillers that don't die off and remain till the following year when they will try again to form a seed head.

Hope that helps a bit.

thanks that helped a lot- i helped out on the uncles dairy farm and the only contact i had with straw was using bales as bedding for cattle:)

davycc

Deano7 wrote: »

Don't ask that question at an IFA meeting

:D

just do it

5live wrote: »

All cereals are annual crops and complete their life cycle in one year. This means that once they germinate, they complete their life cycle by forming a seed head and die off. The seeds that are formed lie dormant over winter and germinate again the following year when conditions allow.

The life cycle of grass would be similar except for the frequent grazing that stops a seedhead from forming. Also, grass tillers better than cereals so there will be younger tillers that don't die off and remain till the following year when they will try again to form a seed head.

Hope that helps a bit.

Good explanation, there's a teacher in you. Now can I ask what is tillering?

just do it

Deano7 wrote: »

Don't ask that question at an IFA meeting

... as you might be surprised how many won't know the answer!!!

5live

just do it wrote: »

Good explanation, there's a teacher in you. Now can I ask what is tillering?

When a seed germinates, a single blade of grass grows up, followed by a second a few days later, then a third a few days later again. When the plant reaches the 3 leaf stage it will begin to form a seed head if left alone. If it is cut or grazed at this stage (or earlier), the plant will begin to grow new shoots at the base of the plant which will become independent plants in time.

Thats the simple explanation, its a bit more complicated than that but not much:)

just do it

5live wrote: »

When a seed germinates, a single blade of grass grows up, followed by a second a few days later, then a third a few days later again. When the plant reaches the 3 leaf stage it will begin to form a seed head if left alone. If it is cut or grazed at this stage (or earlier), the plant will begin to grow new shoots at the base of the plant which will become independent plants in time.

Thats the simple explanation, its a bit more complicated than that but not much:)

Does the shoot grow out underneath from roots or above ground from the base of the plant?

5live

just do it wrote: »

Does the shoot grow out underneath from roots or above ground from the base of the plant?

From the base above ground. They are there in all grasses but hormones from the dominant first shoot prevent them from developing quickly until the first shoot is taken off the plant. Then a number of tillers grow quickly and eventually separate from the first shoot.

just do it

5live wrote: »

From the base above ground. They are there in all grasses but hormones from the dominant first shoot prevent them from developing quickly until the first shoot is taken off the plant. Then a number of tillers grow quickly and eventually separate from the first shoot.

So the shoot tillers from the base, develops it's own roots, breaks away from the parent plant and begins it's life as an independent plant.

5live

just do it wrote: »

So the shoot tillers from the base, develops it's own roots, breaks away from the parent plant and begins it's life as an independent plant.

Not quite. Both can stay connected for a good while and the roots and leaves intermingle while growing, which you can see in a scraw when reseeding.

Tbh, i don't know how long both stay connected but each are capable of individual survival after a short time as they both have their own roots and leaves and grazing grass itself is a very resilient plant compared to cereal crops.

just do it

Courtesy of wiki

Tiller (botany)

A tiller is a stem produced by grass plants, and refers to all shoots that grow after the initial parent shoot grows from a seed.[1][2] Tillers are segmented, each segment possessing its own two-part leaf. They are involved in vegetative propagation and, in some cases, also seed production.[3]

"Tillering" refers to the production of side shoots and is a property possessed by many species in the family Poaceae. This enables them to produce multiple stems (tillers) starting from the initial single seedling. This ensures the formation of dense tufts and multiple seed heads. Tillering rates are heavily influenced by soil water status. When soil moisture is low, grasses tend to develop more sparse and deep root systems (as opposed to dense, lateral systems). Thus tillering is inhibited; the lateral nature of tillering is not supported by lateral root growth in dry soils.

Sam Kade

davycc wrote: »

hi im wondering does straw regrow after its been cut for bales like silage grass does or does it need re seeding and ploughing?

genuine question I am from a dairy background and only thought of it recently:o

:eek: I fear for your cows

Sam Kade

davycc wrote: »

hi im wondering does straw regrow after its been cut for bales like silage grass does or does it need re seeding and ploughing?

genuine question I am from a dairy background and only thought of it recently:o

There are 3 different categories of plants
Annuals
Biennials
Perennials

Deano7

just do it wrote: »

... as you might be surprised how many won't know the answer!!!

1st year ag students.

5live

Sam Kade wrote: »

:eek: I fear for your cows

His cows will be grand.

His cereal crops though....:;-):

Give the guy a break. He asked an honest question and doesn't deserve being ridiculed for not knowing about an industry he has no experience of.

Sam Kade

5live wrote: »

His cows will be grand.

His cereal crops though....:;-):

Give the guy a break. He asked an honest question and doesn't deserve being ridiculed for not knowing about an industry he has no experience of.

I did give him a break, didn't I explain the different category plants for him

Deano7

5live wrote: »

His cows will be grand.

His cereal crops though....:;-):

Give the guy a break. He asked an honest question and doesn't deserve being ridiculed for not knowing about an industry he has no experience of.

Are we not allowed to slag now?

just do it

Tillering. White web-like lattice are new shoots