Interesting question.

bear1

I think it is anyway but unsure if it is worthy of the AH responses
I was reading this story a few mins ago:

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/woman-goes-into-labour-during-flight-30533515.html

Basically the woman started having contractions during the flight.
Pilot landed in Shannon and the woman was rushed to Limericks hospital where she gave birth.
My question is this, as the child was born in Ireland and I imagine will be given an Irish birth cert will he or she become an Irish citizen by default?
I'd imagine the parents would probably renounce the citizenship and opt for either Dutch or American.

Neyite

Or they might opt for dual citizenship?

corner of hells

bear1 wrote: »

I think it is anyway but unsure if it is worthy of the AH responses
I was reading this story a few mins ago:

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/woman-goes-into-labour-during-flight-30533515.html

Basically the woman started having contractions during the flight.
Pilot landed in Shannon and the woman was rushed to Limericks hospital where she gave birth.
My question is this, as the child was born in Ireland and I imagine will be given an Irish birth cert will he or she become an Irish citizen by default?
I'd imagine the parents would probably renounce the citizenship and opt for either Dutch or American.

I didn't read the link , but was the pilot pregnant.

kneemos

Thought it was bad for heavily pregnant women to fly?

wazky

The baby would legally be property of Ryanair now.

Donkey Oaty

bear1 wrote: »

My question is this, as the child was born in Ireland and I imagine will be given an Irish birth cert will he or she become an Irish citizen by default?

Legally, no.

Even worse, they'll have to say they're from Limerick.

Neyite

kneemos wrote: »

Thought it was bad for heavily pregnant women to fly?

Not bad, but few airlines allow you to fly past a certain week or require a doctor cert, presumably exactly to avoid situations like this.

It was a premature labour -37 weeks.

corner of hells

wazky wrote: »

The baby would legally be property of Ryanair now.

Ryanair would a field day with extra charges.

bear1

corner of hells wrote: »

I didn't read the link , but was the pilot pregnant.

Yeah, shagged the co pilot who had superman type sperm which caused the baby to grow in the space of 1 hour.

Roger_007

The report says that she was 37 weeks pregnant. The 'interesting question' is:
Why did this woman undertake a transatlantic flight so late in her pregnancy?
Or why was she allowed to board the plane?

It is not exactly unknown for women to give birth at that stage?

A friend of mine had a baby in Spain, very prematurely. Baby was eventually transferred home by Air Ambulance, and he was given an international birth cert or something like that, until he got his Irish one.

I may have made all of this up, but that's how I remember the story from two years ago

mad muffin

Wasn't there a referendum? Foreign parents=Baby not automatically Irish citizen?

P_1

AFAIK a child's citizenship (in Ireland at least) is determined by the citizenship of their parents not by the location of their birth but I'm open to correction on that.

antodeco

Parent will legally allowed stay in the country as an Irish Born Child. However, the parent will not receive irish citizenship. How it works, the child takes the nationality of its parent, but is legally allowed be in the country.

MistyCheese

wazky wrote: »

The baby would legally be property of Ryanair now.

Jeez no telling where the poor child will end up then.

fxotoole

bear1 wrote: »

I think it is anyway but unsure if it is worthy of the AH responses
I was reading this story a few mins ago:

http://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/woman-goes-into-labour-during-flight-30533515.html

Basically the woman started having contractions during the flight.
Pilot landed in Shannon and the woman was rushed to Limericks hospital where she gave birth.
My question is this, as the child was born in Ireland and I imagine will be given an Irish birth cert will he or she become an Irish citizen by default?
I'd imagine the parents would probably renounce the citizenship and opt for either Dutch or American.

As of 1st Jan 2005, any child born on the island of Ireland is no longer automatically an Irish citizen. Now it depends on the parents citizenship or the parents' residence status.

Lenin Skynard

MistyCheese wrote: »

Jeez no telling where the poor child will end up then.

It'll be in the middle of the plane, screaming its head off. You will have the option of paying an additional fee to have the baby moved a bit farther away from you.

bear1

That answers it I suppose.
It is surprising though that they accepted her to fly at such a late stage.

antodeco

bear1 wrote: »

That answers it I suppose.
It is surprising though that they accepted her to fly at such a late stage.

It was probably a male check in assistant.

"Is she pregnant or just fat, I wonder?"

/checks her in

catallus

On what grounds can a pregnant woman be denied travel by plane!??

bear1

antodeco wrote: »

It was probably a male check in assistant.

"Is she pregnant or just fat, I wonder?"

/checks her in

Ever make that mistake of asking when it's due to be told she isn't pregnant?

Yeah me neither.

bear1

catallus wrote: »

On what grounds can a pregnant woman be denied travel by plane!??

It's during the final stages I believe that they are advised not to travel.
If the incident had happen mid way over the Atlantic then it could have been a problem.
Everything needs to be sterilised. It's more of a health and safety thing.

jimgoose

Amazingly enough, this has happened before a couple of times, and since the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness the principle of Jus Sanguinis applies, superseding the nationality of the aircraft's registration.

catallus

bear1 wrote: »

Everything needs to be sterilised.

House of Blaze

wazky wrote: »

The baby would legally be property of Ryanair now.

Only if you can fit it into a box of dimensions 35 x 20 x 20 cms.

bear1

catallus wrote: »

I think I've forgotten the word used to describe something extremely clean, bacteria free or something.

EDIT: Sanitize

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Roger_007 wrote: »

The report says that she was 37 weeks pregnant. The 'interesting question' is:
Why did this woman undertake a transatlantic flight so late in her pregnancy?
Or why was she allowed to board the plane?

It is not exactly unknown for women to give birth at that stage?

Why was she allowed to board the plane? I imagine she had a plane ticket and she passed the security checks?

Annasopra

bear1 wrote: »

My question is this, as the child was born in Ireland and I imagine will be given an Irish birth cert will he or she become an Irish citizen by default?

NO

/End thread

MistyCheese

catallus wrote: »

On what grounds can a pregnant woman be denied travel by plane!??

In case she went into early labour and gave birth on an underequipped plane?

topper75

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Legally, no.

Even worse, they'll have to say they're from Limerick.

Srong'itdat like kiiiiiid?

jimgoose

topper75 wrote: »

Srong'itdat like kiiiiiid?

Not as simple as that. Limerick Cit-aaah bwollocks, or Chountah Limerigg junowhattamane??

catallus

MistyCheese wrote: »

In case she went into early labour and gave birth on an underequipped plane?

Underequipped? People have been giving birth for years and years with little equipment.

Is it really a thing that they stop pregnant women getting onto planes? Now that I think of it I've never seen a pregnant woman on a plane. This is very distressing.

bear1

catallus wrote: »

Underequipped? People have been giving birth for years and years with little equipment.

Is it really a thing that they stop pregnant women getting onto planes? Now that I think of it I've never seen a pregnant woman on a plane. This is very distressing.

It isn't very distressing, it's highly advised not to travel after the 36th week.
This was a long distance flight (Amsterdam to the US somewhere) and the risk of DVT is present at this point.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Pregnancy_and_travel

topper75

D'reeejnil maturntee yungfla.

catallus

It is all very interesting. There seems to be a lot to it.

I wouldn't make a very good pregnant woman

jimgoose

catallus wrote: »

Underequipped? People have been giving birth for years and years with little equipment.

Is it really a thing that they stop pregnant women getting onto planes? Now that I think of it I've never seen a pregnant woman on a plane. This is very distressing.

As far as I'm concerned the last thing we want on commercial airline flights is heavily-pregnant women who could go all "Alien" at any moment! :pac:

draiochtanois

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bear1

catallus wrote: »

It is all very interesting. There seems to be a lot to it.

I wouldn't make a very good pregnant woman

It doesn't just apply to planes, but it also states car journeys longer than an hour should be avoided as well.
We all learn things every day

bear1

jimgoose wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned the last thing we want on commercial airline flights is heavily-pregnant women who could go all "Alien" at any moment! :pac:

*sudders*

Philo Beddoe

catallus wrote: »

Underequipped? People have been giving birth for years and years with little equipment.

And regularly dying during the experience too.

MistyCheese

catallus wrote: »

Underequipped? People have been giving birth for years and years with little equipment.

I take it you've given birth to a child with no medical assistance.

catallus

MistyCheese wrote: »

I take it you've given birth to a child with no medical assistance.

Yeah, sure, let's run with that

Nah, I'm just saying this idea of equipment being necessary is a bit of a pinko-liberal-atheist canard.

Down with this sort of thing.

MistyCheese

Grand, you have your next baby on an airplane and I'll have mine in a hospital with an anesthesiologist on standby. As the Flying Spaghetti Monster intended.

catallus

Anesthesiologist?

Well, that's just cheating