Multiculturalism will not and never has worked

WilyCoyote

A very good article by Mary Kenny (I know, I know, but read it first) on why this utopic notion is and has forever been a non starter. The liberal elitists that espouse such drivel are deluded. You've only got to look at the various supercultures over the eons ........ and draw the obvious Ozymandian conclusion. The self-loathing of these academic and trendy idiots - under the guise of understanding - is the Trojan horse of Western civilization.
You have been warned!

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/mary-kenny/isis-will-never-be-defeated-until-western-societies-stand-up-for-their-own-values-30533437.html

House of Blaze

What about the viking / norman invasions of Ireland and Britain?

Or imperial Rome and hellenistic greece?

Many societies have successfully integrated over a long enough timeline.

Temptamperu

I too are a racialist.

MadsL

Most recently, the budget hotel chain Travelodge has banned the placement of the Bible in hotel rooms - a tradition carried out by the Gideons for more than a century - on the grounds that it doesn't respect "diversity and equality". 
A small thing, but mark my words: where the Bible is banned, the Koran will soon take its place.

Stopped reading right there.....

P_1

Radical solution for dealing with people who use religion as a justification for killing: Imprisonment + forced atheism

The Backwards Man

Balls.

Knex*

MadsL wrote: »

Stopped reading right there.....

Aye. Read the article, but had come back to the thread to post about that.

Utterly ridiculous comment, tbh, and it actually made me laugh out loud.


A small thing, but mark my words: where the Bible is banned, the Koran will soon take its place.

What is it, some sort of magic trick?

Overall, I don't really get her point. I'm not seeing what it is that she is expressing in order to justify the, "Great article, fantastically written", comments.

AnonoBoy

"Most recently, the budget hotel chain Travelodge has banned the placement of the Bible in hotel rooms..... A small thing, but mark my words: where the Bible is banned, the Koran will soon take its place."

That makes no sense. Why would they let a Koran be placed in their hotel rooms when a bible isn't allowed?

She's a rambling loony that one.

srsly78

Drive the dirty Irish back into the sea and let the Tuatha de Danann reclaim their birthright.

catallus

How is the Travel-Lodge thing a problem? Doesn't everyone have a personal bible nowadays?

Knex*

AnonoBoy wrote: »

"Most recently, the budget hotel chain Travelodge has banned the placement of the Bible in hotel rooms..... A small thing, but mark my words: where the Bible is banned, the Koran will soon take its place."

That makes no sense. Why would they let a Koran be placed in their hotel rooms when a bible isn't allowed?

She's a rambling loony that one.

I think she means that Catholics are showing weakness by succumbing to Travelodge's new rule, and that somehow, the Muslim community will sense this weakness, and because they are strong in their own convictions, will then force through Travelodge putting a Koran in every room.

Its a bit of a leap, on her behalf.

I believe she thinks the entire Western World is only a generation or so away from being devout Muslims.

krudler

AnonoBoy wrote: »

"Most recently, the budget hotel chain Travelodge has banned the placement of the Bible in hotel rooms..... A small thing, but mark my words: where the Bible is banned, the Koran will soon take its place."

That makes no sense. Why would they let a Koran be placed in their hotel rooms when a bible isn't allowed?

She's a rambling loony that one.

Cos of the "war on christianity" or some other guff

shruikan2553

Oh look, another "dem libruls train' to kill Jesus so muslums will take over"

goose2005

The Duke of Wellington famously said that the Battle of Waterloo was won on the playing-fields of Eton

Stopped reading right after the first sentence. Wellington never said that; he disliked sport and there were no playing-fields when he (briefly) attended Eton.

KungPao

I wonder if the Linton Travel Tavern still has the Bible in every room?

Herb Powell

I am proud to be a trendy liberal academic elitist, if it means I'm not a cunnt.

goose2005

Because, in reality, there is no such thing as "multi-culturalism". Wherever there is a clash of cultures, one culture eventually emerges as the dominant one, and the weaker one succumbs.

I'm confused, isn't this the same Mary Kenny who regularly talks about the peaceful coexistence of Catholic nationalist Ireland and Protestant Anglo-Ireland?

Knex*

goose2005 wrote: »

I'm confused, isn't this the same Mary Kenny who regularly talks about the peaceful coexistence of Catholic nationalist Ireland and Protestant Anglo-Ireland?

Avoiding contradictions has never been a strong point of the extremely religious, I have found.

ScumLord

The Roman empire was very multicultural and benefited from it. Rome wouldn't have existed without it, they were just a bunch of backward swamp people before opening their doors to everyone and anyone who'd join up.

The Persians, the Brits, basically any large empire was multicultural, it had to be.

Even America with all it's problems is an example of multicultural working.

Billy86

Name me one western nation that has not experienced multiculturalism.

KungPao

ScumLord wrote: »

The Roman empire was very multicultural and benefited from it. Rome wouldn't have existed without it, they were just a bunch of backward swamp people before opening their doors to everyone and anyone who'd join up.

The Persians, the Brits, basically any large empire was multicultural, it had to be.

Even America with all it's problems is an example of multicultural working.

Would it still work if there was a mass immigration of Muslims? Would they happily sit there with everyone eating pepperoni pizzas and bacon and eggs? Would they be happy with the nudity and profanity on the TV? Would they be happy to live side-by-side with the Jews that control America? Or would they just start blowing the place up with their Jihadism and then impose Sharia law on the land?

*these are not my views, just asking!

suicide_circus

Mary Kenny is a loon

Lyaiera

MadsL wrote: »

Stopped reading right there.....

I just didn't bother reading in the first place. Seeing your quote from it I'm glad.

Lyaiera

catallus wrote: »

How is the Travel-Lodge thing a problem? Doesn't everyone have a personal bible nowadays?

I have my own, personal Jesus.

biko

Multiculturalism works as long as the cultures respect each other.

beks101

Way to go Mary Kenny, use the minority of muslims who are radicalized as an excuse for why all races and religions and creeds everywhere should be segregated forever more.

Perhaps ISIS exist because scumbags, psychopaths, low-lifes and greedy criminals exist? Because some people will hide behind radical religious notions of a 'caliphate' to allow them to be their brutish, violent, aggressively power-yielding selves?

Lyaiera

KungPao wrote: »

Would it still work if there was a mass immigration of Muslims? Would they happily sit there with everyone eating pepperoni pizzas and bacon and eggs? Would they be happy with the nudity and profanity on the TV? Would they be happy to live side-by-side with the Jews that control America? Or would they just start blowing the place up with their Jihadism and then impose Sharia law on the land?

*these are not my views, just asking!

I don't think all of them eat the pepperoni or bacon but I'm sure they're fine with the rest.

ScumLord

KungPao wrote: »

Would it still work if there was a mass immigration of Muslims? Would they happily sit there with everyone eating pepperoni pizzas and bacon and eggs? Would they be happy with the nudity and profanity on the TV? Would they be happy to live side-by-side with the Jews that control America? Or would they just start blowing the place up with their Jihadism and then impose Sharia law on the land?

*these are not my views, just asking!

There's already a sizable Muslim population in America, they seem to be getting on just fine.

WilyCoyote

House of Blaze wrote: »

What about the viking / norman invasions of Ireland and Britain?

Or imperial Rome and hellenistic greece?

Many societies have successfully integrated over a long enough timeline.

As far as I know the Battle Of Clontarf put paid to the former.
The Roman Empire! The Fall of Constantinople in the mid 15th century put the kybosh on that.
And who won there? The Ottoman Turks

ScumLord

People focus too much on the wars and violence. The fact is what makes humans unique is our ability to get along. We've been trading ideas and culture for as long as there's been humans on the planet. The vast majority of the human experience is one of harmony and peace, most people get along with each other regardless of culture.

It's more than likely our ability to get along and trade with each other that led to the extinction of every other human species, they simply got pushed out by cooperating homosapiens.

WilyCoyote

MadsL wrote: »

Stopped reading right there.....

Why not read the lot?

Galwayguy35

ScumLord wrote: »

The Roman empire was very multicultural and benefited from it. Rome wouldn't have existed without it, they were just a bunch of backward swamp people before opening their doors to everyone and anyone who'd join up.

The Persians, the Brits, basically any large empire was multicultural, it had to be.

Even America with all it's problems is an example of multicultural working.

So you think the Roman and British Empires were MultiCultural?

Lets see, they invaded a country, murdered men, women and children and the soldiers ofton raped many of the women as well and the Brits made lots of blood money through slavery.

Yep very Multicultural all right!

WilyCoyote

Temptamperu wrote: »

I too are a racialist.

If you say so

WilyCoyote

goose2005 wrote: »

Stopped reading right after the first sentence. Wellington never said that; he disliked sport and there were no playing-fields when he (briefly) attended Eton.

3 or 4 years ...... brief?

On planet earth, this would be enough time to get a degree

coolbeans

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Why not read the lot?

Because it's obviously pitting one religion against another. Those of us who don't subscribe to any religion are tired of conflict and argument at all levels caused by those who wish to foist their faith onto those who reject religion out of hand.

WilyCoyote

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So you think the Roman and British Empires were MultiCultural?

Lets see, they invaded a country, murdered men, women and children and the soldiers often raped many of the women as well and the Brits made lots of blood money through slavery.

Yep very Multicultural all right!

A kind of ISIS without youtube.
Invasion
Murder
Rape
Slavery
Kidnap

What did the Romans ISIS ever do for us?

WilyCoyote

coolbeans wrote: »

Because it's obviously pitting one religion against another. Those of us who don't subscribe to any religion are tired of conflict and argument at all levels caused by those who wish to foist their faith onto those who reject religion out of hand.

AFAIK, most Muslims consider Islam a way of life - not a religion per se.

House of Blaze

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So you think the Roman and British Empires were MultiCultural?

Lets see, they invaded a country, murdered men, women and children and the soldiers ofton raped many of the women as well and the Brits made lots of blood money through slavery.

Yep very Multicultural all right!

Pax Romana (Latin for "Roman peace") was the long period of relative peace and minimal expansion by military force experienced by the Roman Empire in the 1st and 2nd centuries AD. Since it was established by Augustus, it is sometimes called Pax Augusta. Its span was approximately 206 years (27 BC to 180 AD).[1] The Pax Romana is said to be a "miracle" because prior to it there had never been peace for that many centuries in a given area of human history. [2]

Given the prominence of the concept of the Pax Romana, historians have coined variants of the term to describe systems of relative peace that have been established, attempted or argued to have existed. Such times have been credited to the British Empire during the 19th century. Some variants include:

• Pax Britannica
• Pax Americana
• Pax Hispanica
• Pax Mongolica
• Pax Ottomana
• Pax Sinica
• Pax Khazarica
• Pax Syriana

In the case of the above, sure, 'multiculturalism' may be a stretch when discussing how the particular status quo came to be in effect in the first place. But what came afterwards, i.e. once the two cultures had been forced to live with each other side by side as you point out, they proved eminently capable of doing so.

You'll see it over and over again in history.

Just because the multiculturalism of today is not predicated on bloodshed does not mean it is destined to fail.

WilyCoyote

Herb Powell wrote: »

I am proud to be a trendy liberal academic elitist, if it means I'm not a cunnt.

OK. You said it! But you've got the spelling wrong. Am not a Grammar Nazi but just showing that even people of your lofty intellect can fuck up on little things.

Cyber Ghost

ScumLord wrote: »

Even America with all it's problems is an example of multicultural working.

Lol wut.
So a country with that sort of homicide rate is "working" in your opinion

humanji

I was going to move this to the Politics forum, but I think you'd be better off starting your own blog.