How backward and illogical is NI?

NIMAN

And I say this as someone who was born and spent most of his life there.

It was only since I moved to live in RoI about 15yrs ago that I got more interested in politics, since it actually seemed to be about the 'real' things in life like education, the economy, health etc.

The latest example of the North's weird backward thinking was at the George Galloway talk in Belfast last night. There were loyalist protestors outside chanting "Nuke, Nuke Palestine".

I got to wondering just how thick these folk have to be to actually have this mindset? Do they actually understand what they are saying or what is actually happening in Palestine? Can they not look objectively at the situation rather than feel they have to take a stance simply because 'the other side' are taking a different one?

In any right thinking society you would find support for the Palestinians from across all sections of the community, but not in NI.

junder

Are you any better, you say interested in 'real' politics yet the immediately you write people of as thick'. You mentioned 'education' loyalist working class areas have some of lowest educational achievements in northern Ireland, might that people a reason for knee jerk reactions? Personally I can't stand George. Would have quite happily protested against him spewing his bile, however I would have had placards showing pictures of George wearing a red leotard and pretending to be a cat, to show the sort of media whore gorgeous George is

Berserker

junder wrote: »

however I would have had placards showing pictures of George wearing a red leotard and pretending to be a cat, to show the sort of media whore gorgeous George is

I agree. How anyone can take him seriously, is beyond me.

OP, I think you are being a little harsh on your fellow folk as a whole. Sure there are minorities on both sides; let's not forget about the nationalists who attacked the Herzog memorial recently, who go over the top but the heavy majority of people in NI are more interested in general politics, just like we are down here.

OldMrBrennan83

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DarkyHughes

Berserker wrote: »

I agree. How anyone can take him seriously, is beyond me.

OP, I think you are being a little harsh on your fellow folk as a whole. Sure there are minorities on both sides; let's not forget about the nationalists who attacked the Herzog memorial recently, who go over the top but the heavy majority of people in NI are more interested in general politics, just like we are down here.

Everyone who dislikes says this, they criticize some outlandish action he's done but can't actually argue with any points that he makes because the right know he's actually right about most things so they say "oh remember that time he dressed up as a cat all his arguments are wrong" blah blah blah.

DarkyHughes

Patww79 wrote: »

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It's been like this for 100's of years | can't ever see it changing. I remember the Voices from the Grave documentary a few years ago where David Ervine was talking about how his father agreed with what the Civil Rights Movement was doing & he agreed with him but it didn't matter what their inner convictions where because the "us vs them" mentality triumphed everything else.

Berserker

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Everyone who dislikes says this, they criticize some outlandish action he's done but can't actually argue with any points that he makes because the right know he's actually right about most things so they say "oh remember that time he dressed up as a cat all his arguments are wrong" blah blah blah.

Take a read of the Galloway thread and you might change your opinion.

boostenergy

DarkyHughes wrote: »

It's been like this for 100's of years | can't ever see it changing. I remember the Voices from the Grave documentary a few years ago where David Ervine was talking about how his father agreed with what the Civil Rights Movement was doing & he agreed with him but it didn't matter what their inner convictions where because the "us vs them" mentality triumphed everything else.

Northern Ireland didn't even exist 100 years ago never mind 100's.

Ulster is a small area and yes there has been a lot of violence over the recent centuries but put it like this, if you gathered Connaught, Leinster and Munster together and list all of the violence that occured there over the last few centuries would it really be that different?
Don't forgot that most of the war of independence was fought down south, there was only 1 recorded ambush in my townland.

.jacksparrow.

Just another thriving state created by the great empire that is Great Britain.

Divide and rule.

DarkyHughes

Berserker wrote: »

Take a read of the Galloway thread and you might change your opinion.

I did & posted in it several times.

DarkyHughes

boostenergy wrote: »

Northern Ireland didn't even exist 100 years ago never mind 100's.

Ulster is a small area and yes there has been a lot of violence over the recent centuries but put it like this, if you gathered Connaught, Leinster and Munster together and list all of the violence that occured there over the last few centuries would it really be that different?
Don't forgot that most of the war of independence was fought down south, there was only 1 recorded ambush in my townland.

The area that's called N.Ireland had sectarian violence for 100 years. !641 for example was just a sea of sectarian spilled blood.

Yes, but the violence during the war of "Independence" was mainly between the Volunteers vs British security forces & paramilitaries, it wasn't internal sectarian violence like in Belfast & Derry. Since Independence in the 26 counties Connaught, Leinster & Munster have been some of the most peaceful places on Earth except for a few devastating no warning bomb attacks by loyalists with the help of British intelligence, between 1972 - 1974, including the Belturbet bombing in Cavan which killed two young teenagers & injured several others & about half an hour later a bomb went of in Monaghan injuring several more people & a third bomb went of on the same day but there were no injuries in the third one. The 72 Dundalk bomb which killed a schoolgirl & injured several others. The 72 & 73 Dublin bombings which killed 3 people & injured about 150 people & then of course the ISIS style bombing of Dublin & Monaghan in 1974 ( I have a FB page dedicated to the massacre if you want to check it out https://www.facebook.com/pages/Dublin-and-Monaghan-bombings-Irelands-911/313035225530712?ref=hl) plus several shootings in the same time period. But these were acts of terror carried out from another state, there was no internal fighting after the war of liberation & the counter-revolution.