€950,000 for a semi-d in Clontarf

NightOfTheHunt

The Celtic Tiger has officially returned.

www . lisney . com/residential/94-Kincora-Grove-Clontarf-Dublin-3.aspx

Nice house and all but almost a million euro price tag? A similar property sold on that road 2 years ago for €495,000

NIMAN

Glad I don't live in Dublin.

Unless of course I had a house to sell.

Avada

NightOfTheHunt wrote: »

The Celtic Tiger has officially returned.

www . lisney . com/residential/94-Kincora-Grove-Clontarf-Dublin-3.aspx

Nice house and all but almost a million euro price tag? A similar property sold on that road 2 years ago for €495,000

Any similar properties that have sold on that road needed substantial amounts of work. Also, the property market has changed massively in the last 2 years around Dublin

ETA: Number 40 on that road is also for sale, dated an not extended and they're looking for €780k

NightOfTheHunt

They can ask for whatever price they want, what they actually sell for will give a better indication of the market..

Avada

NightOfTheHunt wrote: »

They can ask for whatever price they want, what they actually sell for will give a better indication of the market..

I dont think they'll get 950, but I think they'll get around 900 if they take it

Santa Cruz

NightOfTheHunt wrote: »

The Celtic Tiger has officially returned.

www . lisney . com/residential/94-Kincora-Grove-Clontarf-Dublin-3.aspx

Nice house and all but almost a million euro price tag? A similar property sold on that road 2 years ago for €495,000

And seven years ago probably sold for 800000. That's the market. Plenty money to be made if you buy low and sell high and there is a sucker coming along every minute

DubDani

According to Daft that House was on Sale in August 2011 for 515000, so probably went for around 450K-480K.

http://www.daft.ie/price-register/dublin/clontarf/kincora-grove/

Depending on the work done a tidy profit to someone.

Henry Ford III

€950k is nuts for that house imho.

Eric Cartman

I could never ever understand anybody paying a cent over 600k and getting a house thats attached to another house. At this pricepoint youd get a 5 bed on an acre in other, quite posh parts of dublin

Westwood

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I could never ever understand anybody paying a cent over 600k and getting a house thats attached to another house. At this pricepoint youd get a 5 bed on an acre in other, quite posh parts of dublin

some people like to have neighbors close by to wave to and admire each others new mercs and compliment on how well educated their spawn are, sure who'd be living on there own in a field ya big recluse.

Avada

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I could never ever understand anybody paying a cent over 600k and getting a house thats attached to another house. At this pricepoint youd get a 5 bed on an acre in other, quite posh parts of dublin

Not that close to City Centre though. 10 minutes by bus. I'm not justifying the price btw, just saying

Eric Cartman

Random_Name wrote: »

Not that close to City Centre though. 10 minutes by bus. I'm not justifying the price btw, just saying

I doubt anybody who has 950k to drop on a house is concerned about the bus.

Mongfinder General

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I doubt anybody who has 950k to drop on a house is concerned about the bus.

Concerned about it driving up and down the street and that's about it.

Westwood

Ah Clontarf the south of france beside East Wall. Spiritedly elderly ladies wearing pearls and dolce and gabanna head scarfs adorn the promenade. Its a great place to visit, but you couldn't live in it!!

Eric Cartman

Westwood wrote: »

Ah Clontarf the south of france beside East Wall. Spiritedly elderly ladies wearing pearls and dolce and gabanna head scarfs adorn the promenade. Its a great place to visit, but you couldn't live in it!!

I preffer to call it east fairview , gets some right perturbed looks down at the yacht.

Avada

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I doubt anybody who has 950k to drop on a house is concerned about the bus.

I grew up in that area, and I can safely tell you that most of the people who spent big money on that road travel to work by DART or bus

Tarzana

Eric Cartman wrote: »

At this pricepoint youd get a 5 bed on an acre in other, quite posh parts of dublin

No you wouldn't.

Eric Cartman

Tarzana wrote: »

No you wouldn't.

https://www.daft.ie/sales/27a-greygates-mount-merrion-dublin/978690/

https://www.daft.ie/sales/19a-the-dunes-portmarnock-dublin/986226/

https://www.daft.ie/sales/25-parkvale-dundrum-dublin/945123/

https://www.daft.ie/sales/1a-carpenterstown-road-castleknock-dublin/741545/

https://www.daft.ie/sales/8-leopardsrdstown-oaks-blackrock-dublin/989774/

https://www.daft.ie/sales/7-dalton-mews-malahide-dublin/992640/

https://www.daft.ie/sales/18-beech-court-killiney-dublin/944680/

https://www.daft.ie/sales/bruslee-141-howth-road-sutton-dublin/988131/


my personal favourite : https://www.daft.ie/sales/carrigfoyle-monks-meadow-portmarnock-dublin/951793/

Tarzana

^^^^^^

All of those are very far out of the city centre - they'd be far, far higher in price if they were in Clontarf's location.

Eric Cartman

Tarzana wrote: »

^^^^^^

All of those are very far out of the city centre - they'd be far, far higher in price if they were in Clontarf's location.

one of them there in castleknock , 10km , 18 minutes drive to oconnell street, that house in clontarf is 5km from oconnell street . Im not doubting its a close location , but sure so is fairview and youd pay an awful lot less for a 3 bed semi there too.

if your into posh areas/ postcode envy , this is still a pretty crap deal when you can get castleknock , portmarnock and even blackrock cheaper than this .

if your into short commute times this isnt that short , its still 5k to the city centre really.

Not trying to knock clontarf but its 5km out of the city center , the coast road can be a nightmare for traffic, like glasnevin its a nice area that happens to be right beside a pretty rough area and it doesnt have the south dublin snob factor adding to the price . a 3 bed semi will never be worth what these people are asking, complete and utter lunacy.

Frank Lee Midere

Closeness to the city is not a reason for house prices in Dublin. It's about post code snobbery.

That won't sell. The only possible buyers are cash buyers and rent in Dublin is divorced from post code snobbery.

Frank Lee Midere

Eric Cartman wrote: »

one of them there in castleknock , 10km , 18 minutes drive to oconnell street, that house in clontarf is 5km from oconnell street . Im not doubting its a close location , but sure so is fairview and youd pay an awful lot less for a 3 bed semi there too.

if your into posh areas/ postcode envy , this is still a pretty crap deal when you can get castleknock , portmarnock and even blackrock cheaper than this .

if your into short commute times this isnt that short , its still 5k to the city centre really.

Not trying to knock clontarf but its 5km out of the city center , the coast road can be a nightmare for traffic, like glasnevin its a nice area that happens to be right beside a pretty rough area and it doesnt have the south dublin snob factor adding to the price . a 3 bed semi will never be worth what these people are asking, complete and utter lunacy.

I really don't get clontarf. It doesn't really have anything going for it more than anywhere close to the coast road. Even the dart station is too far away to be much use for much of clontarf.

Eric Cartman

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

I really don't get clontarf. It doesn't really have anything going for it more than anywhere close to the coast road. Even the dart station is too far away to be much use for much of clontarf.

this :



meanwhile 500 meters down the road in fairview.



:pac:

The_Morrigan

Folks just a gentle reminder that you're in A&P, can you try keep the posts relevant and on topic. If you want to post funny pictures we have a forum for that here

John_Rambo

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I could never ever understand anybody paying a cent over 600k and getting a house thats attached to another house

Community. It's an old pre-celtic tiger notion! I live in an end of terrace and we do weird things like keep an eye out for each other, kids play together, we have bbq's etc... we respect each others privacy and live in harmony!

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

I really don't get clontarf. It doesn't really have anything going for it more than anywhere close to the coast road

The coast and being close to it is a huge draw, aside from the mature area, restaurants, yacht club, rugby/cricket club, beach, bull island, good pubs, massive park close by (in Raheny when there's a mugging, Clontaf when there's a festival ). It's a fairly desirable place to live in. Classic leafy, quiet suburb with good public transport to the close by (but not too close!) city centre.

Hopefully there'll be good karma, the sellers and buyers are happy!

Tarzana

Eric Cartman wrote: »

if your into posh areas/ postcode envy , this is still a pretty crap deal when you can get castleknock , portmarnock and even blackrock cheaper than this .

If we're going on "poshness" Clontarf is easily considered posher than Portmarnock, on a par with Blackrock, plus is much more central. Maybe not Castleknock, the most overrated suburb of Dublin.

Clontarf is lovely, and actually, so is Fairview. I'd love to live in either place. I'd happily live in them over Portmarnock and Castleknock.

Bigcheeze

DubDani wrote: »

According to Daft that House was on Sale in August 2011 for 515000, so probably went for around 450K-480K.

http://www.daft.ie/price-register/dublin/clontarf/kincora-grove/

Depending on the work done a tidy profit to someone.

No 515k is the property price register price. It looks like a lot of money has been spent on it since then. Kincora Grove is a very busy rat run in the morning for traffic trying to avoid the worst of the Howth road. I guess it's quiet most of the time.

Luke92

I'd definitely rather this http://www.daft.ie/sales/9-frankfort-park-dundrum-dublin/992872/.

Certainly price wise!

Sleepy

Having rented there for the last five years or so, the price doesn't surprise me at all and tbh, I'd expect them to get close to asking. Property doesn't stay on the market long in Clontarf and it's genuinely a lovely place to live. There's a sense of community which is rare to find in Dublin, next to no crime, you can leave the children outside to play without worrying about them, the natural ammenities are fantastic (St Annes, the Prom, Bull Wall), the schools are excellent, it's close to city centre and most of the real money there is old so you get far less of the "D4" wankery than you'd get in areas that aren't even as nice in South Dublin.

It's a lovely area now where the moneyed have the grace to be discreet about it. Sure, they may have a "small boat" in the yacht club, holiday 3 times a year etc but there's no airs and graces with them: they drive nice cars that they change every 7-10 years rather than getting into the reg-plate one-upmanship of Ireland's Celtic Tiger success stories, order Guinness / Jameson / Gin & Tonic / Wine in the local where they know everyone and don't feel the need to insist on Bombay Saphire, the Glenlivet, a Beaujolais Premier Ecru etc. They probably enjoy a drop of the better stuff every now and then and keep the local O' Briens and McHugh's off-licences in business but they don't let the brand-names of the expensive stuff form any part of their personalities.

I can see that changing over the next 20/30 years as many of the current residents die out and are replaced by those that are buying into the area at the moment. The school gates are already clogged with the gleaming Range Rover Sports of the "girlos"* dropping off Tarquin and Persephone on their way to pilates / Bay for breakfast. I genuinely love the place but can see my own generation (and those perhaps 5/10 years older) ruining it. It might be a generational thing, or maybe it's just the circles I've moved in since living there but I like the type of people that don't judge me on my 10 year old Mondeo, the fact that I'm a tennant but instead on my words, actions and that my children have excellent manners. (*that is honestly how some of these women, in their early 40's, refer to each other!)

Were I in the position to speculate on property, I'd be buying up as much of Fairview/Killester as I can. Location wise it's got most of what Clontarf has (although a bit too close to the city centre) but the price tags are far more affordable and, from what I'm seeing, a lot of those that were raised in Clontarf but whom are utterly priced out of the area are beginning to gentrify these areas somewhat. It's no more than a gut feeling (and, as such, probably a terrible basis for investment) but I can't help but see Fairview as more likely to become "Clontarf West" than vice-versa as suggested by Eric Cartman.

Potatoeman

Sleepy wrote: »

Having rented there for the last five years or so, the price doesn't surprise me at all and tbh, I'd expect them to get close to asking. Property doesn't stay on the market long in Clontarf and it's genuinely a lovely place to live. There's a sense of community which is rare to find in Dublin, next to no crime, you can leave the children outside to play without worrying about them, the natural ammenities are fantastic (St Annes, the Prom, Bull Wall), the schools are excellent, it's close to city centre and most of the real money there is old so you get far less of the "D4" wankery than you'd get in areas that aren't even as nice in South Dublin.

It's a lovely area now where the moneyed have the grace to be discreet about it. Sure, they may have a "small boat" in the yacht club, holiday 3 times a year etc but there's no airs and graces with them: they drive nice cars that they change every 7-10 years rather than getting into the reg-plate one-upmanship of Ireland's Celtic Tiger success stories, order Guinness / Jameson / Gin & Tonic / Wine in the local where they know everyone and don't feel the need to insist on Bombay Saphire, the Glenlivet, a Beaujolais Premier Ecru etc. They probably enjoy a drop of the better stuff every now and then and keep the local O' Briens and McHugh's off-licences in business but they don't let the brand-names of the expensive stuff form any part of their personalities.

I can see that changing over the next 20/30 years as many of the current residents die out and are replaced by those that are buying into the area at the moment. The school gates are already clogged with the gleaming Range Rover Sports of the "girlos"* dropping off Tarquin and Persephone on their way to pilates / Bay for breakfast. I genuinely love the place but can see my own generation (and those perhaps 5/10 years older) ruining it. It might be a generational thing, or maybe it's just the circles I've moved in since living there but I like the type of people that don't judge me on my 10 year old Mondeo, the fact that I'm a tennant but instead on my words, actions and that my children have excellent manners. (*that is honestly how some of these women, in their early 40's, refer to each other!)

Were I in the position to speculate on property, I'd be buying up as much of Fairview/Killester as I can. Location wise it's got most of what Clontarf has (although a bit too close to the city centre) but the price tags are far more affordable and, from what I'm seeing, a lot of those that were raised in Clontarf but whom are utterly priced out of the area are beginning to gentrify these areas somewhat. It's no more than a gut feeling (and, as such, probably a terrible basis for investment) but I can't help but see Fairview as more likely to become "Clontarf West" than vice-versa as suggested by Eric Cartman.

I lived out there five years ago. Its a nice area but there is a world of difference once you cross the dart line to Fairview.
Its not that bad but definatly rougher. If you get the bus in and out youll notice it more.

Sleepy

I've in-laws living in Marino and would regularly be in Fairview and I can definitely notice the difference. it just seems a really obvious candidate for gentrification over the next decade or so as the city centre is let spiral into decay and the leafier suburbs become more and more unaffordable for those who grew up there. As you say, while Fairview is rougher than Clontarf it's still far from bad and I'm noticing a number of those who grew up in Clontarf starting to buy there.

It's never going to be an over-night thing, nor, indeed would I ever expect prices in the area to match those of properties in Clontarf but I do see strong potential for it to become the "cheap end" of Clontarf over a couple of decades and ergo to present strong potential for capital growth.

The Spider

Potatoeman wrote: »

I lived out there five years ago. Its a nice area but there is a world of difference once you cross the dart line to Fairview.
Its not that bad but definatly rougher. If you get the bus in and out youll notice it more.

Agree with this, and the vast majority of the post above. Clontarf was my favorite place to live in Dublin bar none. It is old money and isn't dangled in your face, people are quietly wealthy drive oldish cars, and are nice.
I used to love the bar side of the yacht, in for a pint after work and everyone'd talk to you, it was and still is I'm sure great.

Bull Island is a great amenity, and so is St Anne's. Nope can absolutely understand wanting to live there, of course if you live on the seafront that really helps.

It's a great spot, fairview down the road isn't, there really is no comparison between the two.

Little Miss Cutie

Tarzana wrote: »

If we're going on "poshness" Clontarf is easily considered posher than Portmarnock, on a par with Blackrock, plus is much more central. Maybe not Castleknock, the most overrated suburb of Dublin.

Clontarf is lovely, and actually, so is Fairview. I'd love to live in either place. I'd happily live in them over Portmarnock and Castleknock.

hey hey less of the Portmarnock bashing

o1s1n

Before moving to our current home, we lived in Clontarf for 3 years on Oulton Road.

The house sizes are great, as are the gardens, but the close proximity to the sea was always a worry. There's no way I'd drop major coinage on a house there (if I had the coinage of course!) due to this.

There was some major flooding in the time we lived there and I wouldn't fancy that risk long term.

The place was also absolutely freezing in the colder months. You'd get crazy winds coming in from the sea. Standing at the bus stop at 6:30am in the morning in that weather was something else :eek:

The Spider

o1s1n wrote: »

Before moving to our current home, we lived in Clontarf for 3 years on Oulton Road.

The house sizes are great, as are the gardens, but the close proximity to the sea was always a worry. There's no way I'd drop major coinage on a house there (if I had the coinage of course!) due to this.

There was some major flooding in the time we lived there and I wouldn't fancy that risk long term.

The place was also absolutely freezing in the colder months. You'd get crazy winds coming in from the sea. Standing at the bus stop at 6:30am in the morning in that weather was something else :eek:

Dunno, I like the sea so do a lot of people thus the premium for seafront property all over the globe, granted there's been floods, but I think the summers there more than make up for any cold weather in the winter. Give me that any day over the dreariness of Dundrum, Churchtown or Stillorgan.

o1s1n

The Spider wrote: »

Dunno, I like the sea so do a lot of people thus the premium for seafront property all over the globe, granted there's been floods, but I think the summers there more than make up for any cold weather in the winter. Give me that any day over the dreariness of Dundrum, Churchtown or Stillorgan.

I love the sea too myself and would always live close to it, however I need to be elevated. Will never buy anywhere that could flood as a rule. Some people aren't bothered by this, but it definitely bothers me. I didn't realize how much until I lived there a while.

Somewhere nice in Dun Laoghaire where the houses are elevated and you're not literally living on the seabed would suit me better.

Weather wise, I just found from living there with the Irish climate wasn't very pleasant for a good chunk of the year.

For ever 1 sunny day we had there, we probably had at least 2-3 where we were battling the cold/ sea winds/rain getting to work. (that's on public transport mind you with the rest of the povs I'm sure it wouldn't be so bad with a car)

The Spider

o1s1n wrote: »

I love the sea too myself and would always live close to it, however I need to be elevated. Will never buy anywhere that could flood as a rule. Some people aren't bothered by this, but it definitely bothers me. I didn't realize how much until I lived there a while.

Somewhere nice in Dun Laoghaire where the houses are elevated and you're not literally living on the seabed would suit me better.

Weather wise, I just found from living there with the Irish climate wasn't very pleasant for a good chunk of the year.

For ever 1 sunny day we had there, we probably had at least 2-3 where we were battling the cold/ sea winds/rain getting to work. (that's on public transport mind you with the rest of the povs I'm sure it wouldn't be so bad with a car)

Yeah, a car's needed, dunno Dun Laoighre wouldn't be for me, used to have a mate lived there and called it Fun Laoighre ironically, too built up, and too many businesses closed down.

However if I had a few quid and didn't have to earn a living this would be for me, hey it's elevated and sea views.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/creadan-bay-house-dunmore-east-waterford-city-co-waterford/1955582

John_Rambo

The Spider wrote: »

However if I had a few quid and didn't have to earn a living this would be for me, hey it's elevated and sea views.

http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/creadan-bay-house-dunmore-east-waterford-city-co-waterford/1955582

Are you Paulie from the Soprano's?

tim9002

There was an article in the Irish Times a few weeks ago about this house. They paid about 500k for it but have spent a lot of money on it. The back garden is north facing but it isn't overlooked as it backs on to the lane to the rugby club. Saying that, 950k is a lot of money for a semi-d. This one had the same asking price and is now sale agreed. Went on the market at the same time roughly.

Tarzana

The Spider wrote: »

It's a great spot, fairview down the road isn't, there really is no comparison between the two.

I'd disagree, Fairview is lovely plus great location (better than Clontarf in some ways), and I can't understand an upside to an area being that people are wealthy but not showy. How could that possibly make a difference to my life?

Sleepy

For me, it's a couple of things. It's certainly not true of all, and I've met self made multi-millionaires who were far from the following description but the nouveau riche (or even more noticeably, their spouses) tend to have a rather over-inflated sense of self worth. This class of people insist on bragging about their wealth constantly, tend to be loud, brash, obnoxious, self-entitled and demanding. Not traits I like to find in those in my local, nor those I want to deal with in local clubs, shops etc.

More importantly, this class of people's habit of looking down on others who've not done as well / been as lucky in life tend to rub off on their precious little darlings who then become the kids that bully schoolmates for not having the latest designer gear etc. A class of child I'm even less fond of being near my own than those from the likes of "rougher" areas like Fairview where a one-off schoolyard scrap tends to be the end of any attempts to bully (and lets face it, it's a lot easier to teach a child to throw a punch than to be quick witted in a slagging match).

The Spider

Tarzana wrote: »

I'd disagree, Fairview is lovely plus great location (better than Clontarf in some ways), and I can't understand an upside to an area being that people are wealthy but not showy. How could that possibly make a difference to my life?

Personal taste really, I've lived close enough to fairview to know it can be a bit dodge, the main attractions to Clontarf as said, beside the sea, bull island etc,

The reference to wealthy people was that it's a different kind of wealth than you find south side, in general.

Fair view I don't like and I never will, personal taste. Again it depends on what you want, and what you find appealing.

Obviously lots of people find Clontarf appealing otherwise you couldn't price an average house at 950 grand.

Tarzana

The Spider wrote: »

Personal taste really, I've lived close enough to fairview to know it can be a bit dodge, the main attractions to Clontarf as said, beside the sea, bull island etc,

The reference to wealthy people was that it's a different kind of wealth than you find south side, in general.

Fair view I don't like and I never will, personal taste. Again it depends on what you want, and what you find appealing.

Obviously lots of people find Clontarf appealing otherwise you couldn't price an average house at 950 grand.

Fairview is the perfect distance from the sea, IMO. Yeah, people love being by the sea, but it brings its own problems (Maintenance issues etc.) plus as someone else said, being near water in wintertime is miserable and cold. Anyway, as someone who grew up close to amazing atlantic coast beaches, the Irish Sea doesn't excite me. :pac:

Both suburbs are great, lovely housing stock.

gaius c

NightOfTheHunt wrote: »

The Celtic Tiger has officially returned.

www . lisney . com/residential/94-Kincora-Grove-Clontarf-Dublin-3.aspx

Nice house and all but almost a million euro price tag? A similar property sold on that road 2 years ago for €495,000

I suspect it's not really for sale.