massey ferguson lifting capacity

MFdaveIreland

Hi there , hoping to get a loader put on the mf 165,. Looking to either buy or make a weight block for the back, I thought 500 kg would have been too much but on konedata.com it has the 165 rated to lift 1.6 ton, this couldnt be right could it ? It definitely struggles to lift a big bale of silage and that definitely isnt t 1.6t

Farmer

I'm open to contradiction here but my understanding is that this is measured at the end of the lift arms. Move out the weight by up to 5 feet in the case of a bale, apply the law of the lever and your 500-600kg bale is approaching the limit of the tractor

MFdaveIreland

Farmer wrote: »

I'm open to contradiction here but my understanding is that this is measured at the end of the lift arms. Move out the weight by up to 5 feet in the case of a bale, apply the law of the lever and your 500-600kg bale is approaching the limit of the tractor

Thanks, that's good reasoning

ferryman35

The lifting capacity of a MF40 loader (the digger, rather than the front loader for tractor use) is 1200kg and that's on a very strong loader frame and brackets, but once you lift a ton bag of stone you can see the weight bearing down on wheels, axle and steering.

A heavy bale of silage can weigh close to the ton (1000kg) (something like a wet fusion bale), so if your bales approach that sort of size you need to watch the stability of the 165 and your stub axles. You might want to consider rear wheel weights as well as a concrete counter weight.

MFdaveIreland

ferryman35 wrote: »

The lifting capacity of a MF40 loader (the digger, rather than the front loader for tractor use) is 1200kg and that's on a very strong loader frame and brackets, but once you lift a ton bag of stone you can see the weight bearing down on wheels, axle and steering.

A heavy bale of silage can weigh close to the ton (1000kg) (something like a wet fusion bale), so if your bales approach that sort of size you need to watch the stability of the 165 and your stub axles. You might want to consider rear wheel weights as well as a concrete counter weight.

Thanks for replying, i was questioning the rear lift capacity for weight block moreso than front loader, I imagine the loader won't be fit for too much at all?

ferryman35

I think MF had a spec for a concrete weight at least on the older tractors.

They used supply two hooks and a frame that you set in a concrete block yourself. The hooks hung of a t-bar that you used with the MK 1 pick up hitch. When you raised the lift arms the t-bar would lock in the raised position and hold the weight up. If there's wear in your system you could find yourself doing alot of switching the changeover valve every so often to raise the block on the lift. There was a version of the T-bar to suit the 65/165.


Another very handy idea uses a frame to take the wafer weights that you would normally put on front.

You can also use rear wheel weights to help out.

You'd be surprised what the loader will lift - you will manage reasonable sized wilted bales ok depending on the terrain your travelling. but stability is key so you don't capsize the lot!

MFdaveIreland

ferryman35 wrote: »

I think MF had a spec for a concrete weight at least on the older tractors.

They used supply two hooks and a frame that you set in a concrete block yourself. The hooks hung of a t-bar that you used with the MK 1 pick up hitch. When you raised the lift arms the t-bar would lock in the raised position and hold the weight up. If there's wear in your system you could find yourself doing alot of switching the changeover valve every so often to raise the block on the lift. There was a version of the T-bar to suit the 65/165.


Another very handy idea uses a frame to take the wafer weights that you would normally put on front.

You can also use rear wheel weights to help out.

You'd be surprised what the loader will lift - you will manage reasonable sized wilted bales ok depending on the terrain your travelling. but stability is key so you don't capsize the lot!

Thanks, very informative, I was wondering how I was going to keep it raised without having to constantly lift the arms, I have come across an aframe weight block, but I'm not sure of the weight, I'd say 500.anyway. anywhere you could get the locking hitch you talk of?

ferryman35

You'll find them on ebay (uk site) quite often. search for 'ferguson pick up hitch' and you'll see a few for the smaller tractor at the moment.

If you don't have a pick up hitch already then its quite useful - the original idea being that tyou could drop the weight and pick up a trailer quite easy if you were loading the trailer witht he same tractor, buth the bars going down to the pick up hitch hook also stopped the weight block from rocking

If you have an a frame weight already, and if you can attach a link between the lower toplink mount (the one on the axle housing that takes the long pin, and the lift arm hitch points of your a frame, then you'll have the same effect.

The link could be suitable chain or lockable bar. Lift the weight up , lock your link in place at this height and then when you lower the lift arms slightly the new link carries the weight. It goes without saying that what you fabricate would have to be fit for purpose!