Saturday 23rd - York Day 5

rossom

2 for me tomorrow thus far. Will do write ups later on

2.55 Goodwood American Hope 7/1
3.50 York Ted Veale 20/1

darced

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nuckeythompson

rossom wrote: »

2 for me tomorrow thus far. Will do write ups later on

2.55 Goodwood American Hope 7/1
3.50 York Ted Veale 20/1

Ted Veale the bet of the day for me too. Thats him jinxed now

andyman

darced wrote: »

3.15-York-Jungle Cat- Giving him another punt tomorrow 13/2 is too tempting and he is never far away.

Likewise. He hasn't been beaten by mugs either.

FortuneChip

I'm with Van Percy tomorrow. Thought it was good at GG, and like that it has a couple of distance wins.
And obviously, the obligatory double with RVP to score against Sunderland!

Dubron

Ted Veale Ted Veale Ted Veale!

Taking the 18/1 available with Bet 365 now, afraid he'll be Pricewised tonight.

ShaneU

York 2.05 Faraaj was 5/2 yesterday, 13/8 now. Should win this.

Curragh 4.20 Ainippe 3/1. Was very impressive in her first race, The Great War the only real opposition here.

rossom

2.55 Goodwood

American Hope 15/2

I sat there in pure agony as American Hope was reeled in late on in a valuable handicap at Ascot over 1 mile on his last start and despite a 5lb rise in the weights I'm confident American Hope can earn justified compensation today by landing this big handicap prize at Goodwood. Having joined Mike Murphy's yard for 34,000 Guineas in February this year, American Hope was campaigned at Lingfield's AW track where he ran 4 fine races in defeat (his trainer correctly acknowledged from the outset that Lingfield's tight track didn't suit him but there weren't many races open to him) before being pitched in at the deep end on turf and handicap debut off a mark of 99 in the Britannia Stakes at Royal Ascot as he ran an absolute blinder to finish 6th overall - but more pertinently he comfortably won his group drawn on the unfavoured side and I've no doubt he'd have gone incredibly close to winning had he been drawn on the advantageous side of the track. Nevertheless, the handicapper was kind to leave him on a mark of 99 and that contest's form has been franked time and time again. This long striding individual was clearly ideally suited to Ascot's galloping track and it's no surprise at all connections returned to that C+D on his next start where he was agonisingly beaten in the final strides by Mange All in a race I feel he was desperately unlucky to lose. Having sweated up in the prelims, American Hope pinged out from the gates and resultantly was unable to attain cover (which would definitely have been the plan) and for the first couple of furlongs he was quite keen under Shane Kelly. He did, however, find his stride at the 5f pole and when the field reached 3f out American Hope was still absolutely tanking along having hit the front and Kelly had absolutely no option but to send him for home at that stage. Having put a couple of lengths between him and the field, it looked for all money that American Hope would not be caught before he agonisingly ran out of gas late on to be claimed by Mange All with the pair nearly 3L clear of the rest of the field.

There is absolutely no doubt in mind that American Hope, who shouldered the burden of top weight, was comfortably the best horse in the field that day and if he wasn't in front so long or wasn't keen in the opening stages of the contest he would have run out a comfortable and very deserving winner. That's racing, however, and things just didn't pan out ideally for American Hope that day but he emerged with a ridiculous amount of credit in my book as I personally think he did incredibly well to be beaten such a narrow margin having had a far from ideal trip and pre-race display. Some people may think the handicapper was harsh to raise him 5lb to a mark of 104 but I think he saw what I did which was he was the best horse in the race and although it must have pained connections to have learned of the rise I think the weight hike is completely justified. Having initially stated that Yesterday's City Of York's Listed Race was American Hope's target, I think it's interesting they've kept him to handicap company for this very valuable prize instead and I really hope it's the right decision. Up against his elders for the first time today, American Hope gets a 5lb weight allowance as a 3 year old and despite a lofty rating of 104 he gets a nice enough racing weight of 9-5 here today. Additionally, I think the drop back to 7f will suit American Hope no end as I think it is unquestionably his best trip. With an awful lot of front runners in the field, I have absolutely no doubt that they will be trying to get a lead for American Hope today as he could really do with the cover. Additionally, they should go a little faster over this furlong shorter which should also help him and I think the plan today will be for American Hope to hit the front with about 1f to go. Obviously given the idiosyncratic nature of Goodwood's unique course, there is no guarantee that American Hope will act on it but I see no reason why he won't. Hopefully he's a little less buzzy in the prelims today as you have to imagine he expelled a bit of energy but I really think the key to American Hope is getting a lead into the race until around the furlong pole and I hope Mr Kelly can execute what I would see as his ideal race tactics. The draw in stall 12 might be a little tricky but he should be able to track likely front runner Related from stall 9 and get a nice tow into the contest. In my mind, American Hope is a Group horse in the making if continuing his improvement and I think another huge run is on the cards here today. Unlucky on his last two starts, American Hope undoubtedly deserves some compensation and I'm bullish that he'll do so today in fine style before going on to much bigger and better things.

3.50 York

Ted Veale 20/1

Yesterday afternoon I sat their scratching my head at the price of Ted Veale as I simply couldn't understand why he was a 20/1 shot. A very talented all purpose animal, Ted Veale is probably best known for his exploits under National Hunt rules with a hurdle win at last years Cheltenham Festival but he has also looked a stayer with terrific potential in his burgeoning flat career and I've no doubt that the shrewd Tony Martin has had Europe's richest flat handicap on the cards for one of his stable stars. With only 5 flat starts in his career to date, Ted Veale's last flat start actually came in this very contest one day short of a year to the day when he ran an absolute blinder in 4th off only a 1lb lower mark despite a far from ideal preparation and less than ideal conditions. Sent off 9/2 favourite last year, Ted Veale had to run 3 days prior to last season's Ebor as he needed a penalty to get into the race and for all that he won snugly at Bellwestown when attaining that penalty it would be foolish not to assume that it at least took the edge of him in his quest for York glory. Additionally, last year's race took place on soft ground that certainly would certainly be a big disadvantage for Tony Martin's charge and I think to finish as well as he did was a massive performance. Unlike last year, Ted Veale has not had to run to get a quick penalty like last year and he proved his well being when winning a Beginners Chase at the Galway Festival 20 days ago and I've no doubt the outstanding Martin will have him absolutely spot on for this. Given the standard of entrants has increased this year, Ted Veale still only barely scraped into the field as joint bottom weight and I'm sure his yard will be delighted by that. In the plate today is the outstanding Sean Corby who can claim 5lb off his back and resultantly Ted Veale will line up today with just 8-10 on his back. Additionally, Ted Veale is set to get much more suitable good ground conditions this year and I'd be stunned if he is not primed to run a huge race. Stall 5 might be a little tricky in this hugely competitive 20 runner handicap but I have absolutely faith in the ability of 16 year old Corby who has impressed me no end on track and who has recently shown his ability to perform in the big races with 2 wins at the Galway Festival earlier this month. With a much better prep, with conditions in his favour, with his young rider's 5lb claim worth its weight in gold in this staying race and off a mark I'm sure he's well capable of winning, I just cannot see how Ted Veale will not run a huge, huge race and if getting the run of things I think this 7 year old has superb chance of bringing Europe's richest handicap prize home to Ireland.

BumperD

Corby gets 7lbs.

Backstreet Moyes

Paddy Power money back for 2nd and 3rd for anybody backing American Hope.

shmeee

Word for Bocca Baciata in the first at the Curragh.

The 20/1 won't last longer I say. Some firms already cut in prices to 10s and 12s.

Gringo180

Todays Celebration mile has to be the worst group 2 I have ever seen.

shmeee

shmeee wrote: »

Word for Bocca Baciata in the first at the Curragh.

The 20/1 won't last longer I say. Some firms already cut in prices to 10s and 12s.

And only sky bet hold @ 20s. Ladbrokes into 7/1 from 20s.

longshotvalue

Goodwood 2:55

I can’t help ending up at Common Touch when looking at this race. He has been poor this year but is back down to a mark he has won of before. He has in the past on almost every occasion he has won , come back from poor runs to perform, which is what would be needed today. He also has blinkers re-fitted today and if they can spark a small revival maybe he can get involved at a huge price. 66/1 makes the rick worth taking.

1 Point EW 66/1 365/Victor/Coral

York 3:50

Repeater looks too easily overlooked here after one poor run last time out. He was a real eye-catcher this year in the Northumberland plate when a fast finishing 3rd, and as he is a certainty to stay this trip his Each Value at huge odds is very tempting. He is possibly being readied for another tilt at the Doncaster Cup in September but at 66/1 I’m willing to take that risk.

1 Point EW 66/1 5 Places Sky BET

longshotvalue

Goodwood 4:40

Songcraft looks the value here at 11/1 with Coral. He was poor enough after a break last time out but that should have got him back to fitness after a very good Meydan this year. He is the highest rated in this race and it wouldn’t be much of a surprise if he were to get back to form here.

1 Point win 11/1 Coral

shmeee

shmeee wrote: »

And only sky bet hold @ 20s. Ladbrokes into 7/1 from 20s.

And gamble is on.

Bet365 only firm hold any double digits price and still 16/1.

Value still there lads when others are 6/1.

confused smu

Hello
Anyone have any links to watch racing online, Thanks and goodluck

NaiveMelodies

Could Should Would at 40s is well overpriced in the opener in the Curragh.

Eyecatching run on debut.
Form line through Thamador has him a lot closer to the fav than the current prices suggest.
AOBs always improve for first run but so do Olivers.

longshotvalue

confused smu wrote: »

Hello
Anyone have any links to watch racing online, Thanks and goodluck

i dont think i can link but if you were to search for hdfoots you might find something

longshotvalue

York 5:00

Bosatto is proven off this mark in this type of race and despite looking the second choice of the stable, that wouldn’t necessarily be much of a negative. His 4th in a similar but stronger race at Goodwood would put him rights in the firing line here with a decent 3lbs claimer on today. 28/1 is too big to ignore.

1 Point EW 28/1 BetVictor

rossom

BumperD wrote: »

Corby gets 7lbs.

I don't think he is. RP still list him claiming 7lb but sportinglife & ATR list him as claiming 5lb. Think 7lb is listed in error

nuckeythompson

confused smu wrote: »

Hello
Anyone have any links to watch racing online, Thanks and goodluck

search for wiziwig both atr and ruk, also some swedish at times too

nuckeythompson

rossom wrote: »

I don't think he is. RP still list him claiming 7lb but sportinglife & ATR list him as claiming 5lb. Think 7lb is listed in error

whoops, fancied on the 7lb basis. Maybe he was booked before he went from 7-5?? RP have him down on 5 lb for tomorrow races. Im sure we will find out soon enough

abarkie

shmeee wrote: »

Word for Bocca Baciata in the first at the Curragh.

The 20/1 won't last longer I say. Some firms already cut in prices to 10s and 12s.

Looked to have been caught flat footed

One for the notebook

shmeee

shmeee wrote: »

Word for Bocca Baciata in the first at the Curragh.

The 20/1 won't last longer I say. Some firms already cut in prices to 10s and 12s.

4th by a head @ 8/1. Just outside landing us the ew money, O'Briens fav who was well backed also was second beaten by a 14/1 O'Brien horse, they backed the wrong one it seems so.

shmeee

abarkie wrote: »

Looked to have been caught flat footed

One for the notebook

Will have learned a lot from that run for sure and as said, one to keep on side. Another few strides and ew money would have been landed.

darced

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irish_major

I wouldn't let Shane Kelly up on a pony

shmeee

Got to back my auld friend Gordon in the next. H'on ya boyo now!!!

rossom

Put a big line through American Hope's run there. Disaster from the outset.

shmeee

shmeee wrote: »

Got to back my auld friend Gordon in the next. H'on ya boyo now!!!

Done on the nod I say. Bollox.

abarkie

shmeee wrote: »

Done on the nod I say. Bollox.

I laid it out at 1.5 - thank goodness - got my stake back

Harry Angstrom

Hughes was right to go to Goodwood.

Francie Barrett

lol @ Jamsie. A lot of money has been lost on that horse and when it finally delivered, most people weren't on it :pac:

Harry Angstrom

Celebration Mile is a crap race. Barely listed standard.

Harry Angstrom

Rishi talking shyte. He must've backed the fav.

Howjoe1

Well done Johnny. On the wrong 20/1 shot:mad:

Ted V ran like a 100/1

shmeee

Howjoe1 wrote: »

Well done Johnny. On the wrong 20/1 shot:mad:

Ted V ran like a 100/1

Where Ted even finish.

Another poor Saturday as usual. **** of a day betting wise.

Howjoe1

shmeee wrote: »

Where Ted even finish.

Another poor Saturday as usual. **** of a day betting wise.

close to last.

Johnny being called Mr Murtagh made me smile

Gringo180

Delighted for Murtagh even tho I backed Ted Veale. Legend of a man.

confused smu

4.20 Avenue Montaigne was only beating a nose by Simply a star in July, might have an e/w chance at that price. Good Luck

confused smu

4.20 Avenue Montaigne was only beating a nose by Simply a star in July, might have an e/w chance at that price. Good Luck

ShaneU

ShaneU wrote: »

York 2.05 Faraaj was 5/2 yesterday, 13/8 now. Should win this.

Curragh 4.20 Ainippe 3/1. Was very impressive in her first race, The Great War the only real opposition here.

Didn't see the Farraaj race, was told didn't want to get in the stalls?

shmeee

Railway Rule punters burned again, King lost them that race. Punters burned by that horse yet again.

paddyisreal

All kazeem could be very interesting later in the year. Looked very good there