Application criteria for Scottish derogation

kerrycow

Anyone know anything about this?

It says in the CAP2015 booklet that "...Member states may apply further eligibility criteria....The question of whether Ireland will apply such criteria remains to be decided."

Have any decisions been made yet

amacca

I'm very interested in this too, was told documentation would be widely available mid september - october…again thats just what I was told so do your own research etc

I was prevented from getting entitlements on my fathers small farm years ago because I wasn't renting the land for a nominal value…or in other words I lost out on any payments because I paid my dad a decent rate for the land I was renting off him…………I'm still very bitter about this as I couldn't at the time or still can't figure out why a person should be punished for paying another person a fair market rate for a property they rent off them.

It also pisses me off that the entitlements I might get now will start off at zero in the first year and gradually ramp up to the minimum…after unfairly (imo) missing out the last time when all and sundry around me seemed to be getting on the bandwagon it looks like ill be missing out this time too…i mean zero, fcuking zero in the first year (if my reading is correct)

At this stage I nearly feel like not complying with any inspections, rules etc coming down the line and telling any clipboard wielding pencil jockey that comes near me to stick it as far up his hole (not to put too fine a point on it) as it'll go.

kerrycow

Scottish Derogation entitlements have an initial value of zero, but isn't this instantly increased (convergence effects) in 2015, and then each year till 2019.

There would be a payment in 2015, albeit a small one, unless I have it wrong

amacca

kerrycow wrote: »

Scottish Derogation entitlements have an initial value of zero, but isn't this instantly increased (convergence effects) in 2015, and then each year till 2019.

There would be a payment in 2015, albeit a small one, unless I have it wrong

You could have it right…but its still sickening imo, given the bull**** came before in my case

merryberry

amacca wrote: »

I was prevented from getting entitlements on my fathers small farm years ago because I wasn't renting the land for a nominal value…or in other words I lost out on any payments because I paid my dad a decent rate for the land I was renting .

What do u mean ammacca. They factored in the rental fee that u were giving to ur dad which was around or above the market value and on that basis they excluded u?

merryberry

amacca wrote: »

I was prevented from getting entitlements on my fathers small farm years ago because I wasn't renting the land for a nominal value…or in other words I lost out on any payments because I paid my dad a decent rate for the land I was renting .

What do u mean ammacca. They factored in the rental fee that u were giving to ur dad which was around or above the market value and on that basis they excluded u?

amacca

merryberry wrote: »

What do u mean ammacca. They factored in the rental fee that u were giving to ur dad which was around or above the market value and on that basis they excluded u?

I mean my application for entitlements was turned down solely on the basis that I rented the land for market value (in other words I paid fair rent for it)

If I had rented the land for a nominal value (say 1 euro in total for the whole lot) just to make the rental contract valid I would have gotten entitlements

I offered to redo contracts so I wasn't paying anything other than nominal rent but they were having none of it - I would probably still have paid my dad for the rental though (as I think that would be only fair)

Totally illogical as far as I could see....really soured me on rules, regulations, inspectors etc etc thought you just about couldn't get anything unfairer than it - especially and men up the road collecting 80k plus a year - mine would probably have been 5k if I got it - shower of you know whats as far as I was concerned

merryberry

amacca wrote: »

I mean my application for entitlements was turned down solely on the basis that I rented the land for market value (in other words I paid fair rent for it)

If I had rented the land for a nominal value (say 1 euro in total for the whole lot) just to make the rental contract valid I would have gotten entitlements

I offered to redo contracts so I wasn't paying anything other than nominal rent but they were having none of it - I would probably still have paid my dad for the rental though (as I think that would be only fair)

Totally illogical as far as I could see....really soured me on rules, regulations, inspectors etc etc thought you just about couldn't get anything unfairer than it - especially and men up the road collecting 80k plus a year - mine would probably have been 5k if I got it - shower of you know whats as far as I was concerned

A load of horsepoo...I don't blame u for being pissed off

just do it

amacca wrote: »

I mean my application for entitlements was turned down solely on the basis that I rented the land for market value (in other words I paid fair rent for it)

If I had rented the land for a nominal value (say 1 euro in total for the whole lot) just to make the rental contract valid I would have gotten entitlements

I offered to redo contracts so I wasn't paying anything other than nominal rent but they were having none of it - I would probably still have paid my dad for the rental though (as I think that would be only fair)

Totally illogical as far as I could see....really soured me on rules, regulations, inspectors etc etc thought you just about couldn't get anything unfairer than it - especially and men up the road collecting 80k plus a year - mine would probably have been 5k if I got it - shower of you know whats as far as I was concerned

What about your Dad's entitlements? Or did he also have none?

amacca

just do it wrote: »

What about your Dad's entitlements? Or did he also have none?

He had none as he was renting it out under farm retirement before I took it off him.