Radiation levels in Irish deer???

Zxthinger

I was wondering if this is something which is being monitored at any level, wild bore in Germany have been found with 40,000 Bq/kg which is over 10x the eu limit.

I know there were piles of farms that were ordered to restrict livestock sales etc etc in both Ireland and the Uk.
Some land in Uk is certainly still subject to some restrictions and afaik northern Ireland just removed the last of it's farms land from restrictions in 2009.

Anyone have any info to add to this,

Anyone know of any trends in the death rates if hunters/game eaters etc etc.

MarkWolff

The rumours of two headed deer are greatly exaggerated !

cookimonster

Any chance on posting links or sources for the info on German boar.

What's the connection with farm restrictions in UK and Ireland to radiation. Last known concern with radiation in livestock here was linked to fallout from the Chernobyl nuclear accident in 1986

Jawgap

RPII or the Office Radiation Protection as they are now known publish data on this - there's no risk.

Germany livestock and wildlife suffered greater exposure to Chernobyl fallout simply because they are closer.

Upland sheep here (and the UK) were a bit hot for a while but are not under restrictions any more.

The risk from Sellafield is negligible.

EDIT: RIFE Report for the UK - http://www.sepa.org.uk/radioactive_substances/publications/rife_reports.aspx - given they have a more advanced nuclear industry than us, it's safe to say that if they don't have a problem, then we don't have one. The data for Scotland would be a useful comparator.

cookimonster

Jawgap,

Thanks, I suspected as much, the article the OP refers to date back to 2009.

Every now and then facts and figures are mis-interpreted and panic spreads, previous examples:

Salmon feed in Scottish farmed salmon.
Sellafield and Irish sea fish
Salmonella in eggs
Harmful levels of dioxin & dioxin like PCBs in Irish pork.........

......and of course my favorite........... harmfull levels of lead in meat having been shot for human consumption

Most of the above risks are specific to certain groups in society or requires an individual to consume a completely unrealistic amount of the commodity over extended lengths of time.

Zxthinger

cookimonster wrote: »

Any chance on posting links or sources for the info on German boar.

What's the connection with farm restrictions in UK and Ireland to radiation. Last known concern with radiation in livestock here was linked to fallout from the Chernobyl nuclear accident in 1986

Read up on wiki.
Radiation fallout, particularly strontium 90 and Ce137 dont leach out of peaty soils and bond to particles high up in the soil and gets drawn up into the living grasses and shrubs, it then becomes concentrated in grazers..
I'm only wondering are there certain parts of Ireland were livestock is still being monitored and by default then attention should be paid to the resident wildlife from such areas!
Afaik 369 farms are still being monitored in Scotland. Ireland received as uch fallout as Scotland if not more!.

Sparks

cookimonster wrote: »

harmfull levels of lead in meat having been shot for human consumption

Though, to be fair, those levels were pretty harmful to the deer or rabbit...

cookimonster

http://www.epa.ie/mobile/radiation/monitor/

The EPA state that ongoing monitoring of artificial radiation shows that levels detected pose no risk to health.

cookimonster

Sparks wrote: »

Though, to be fair, those levels were pretty harmful to the deer or rabbit...

I can understand how some academics may arrive at the conclusion that lead may be harmfull seeing that less then a 100 grains is fatal if consumed in a fraction of a secound

German pointer

cookimonster wrote: »

I can understand how some academics may arrive at the conclusion that lead may be harmfull seeing that less then a 100 grains is fatal if consumed in a fraction of a secound

None of my meat has lead in it as I usually cut off the part that has the lead poisoning in it

That little spot behind the ear

EWQuinn

Hey if the game glows in the dark you won't need a lamp to hunt them.

Grizzly 45

A bit of an auld hat now in Germany at this stage.It was a somwhat problem back in 1986 to 89.

http://www4.um.baden-wuerttemberg.de/servlet/is/80839/
Baden Wuternbergs ministery of healths offical statement on this

Findings from the monitoring of environmental radioactivity

Levels of radioactive contamination in the environment caused by fallout from the reactor accident in Chernobyl in 1986 are now below or only slightly above measurable levels. Exceptions apply in particular environmental areas in which the slowly decaying radionuclide caesium-137 naturally accumulates. These include mushrooms which grow in the wild (such as truffles) and the wild game which eat them.
From a radiological perspective, consumption of modest amounts of contaminated game meat or mushrooms does not lead to levels of health-endangering radiation exposure. The contribution of exposure to radiation as a result of the Chernobyl accident (on average < 0.013 mSv) to people’s natural exposure to radiation in Germany (on average 2.1 mSv) may now be regarded as negligible.

IOW unless you happen to be Obelix and partake of an entire wild boar on a daily basis,365,you will be grand.:)

Nekarsulm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

A bit of an auld hat now in Germany at this stage.It was a somwhat problem back in 1986 to 89.

I know the Dairy Co Ops were monitoring the milk radioactive levels back in 1986, the local manager told us levels spiked about three weeks after the Chernobyl accident, then fell back to normal.Only to rise again the next winter as cattle were fed grass ensiled the previous summer. I know one sheep farmer who noticed a few abnormalities in new born lambs. Only one survived.

Zxthinger

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

A bit of an auld hat now in Germany at this stage.It was a somwhat problem back in 1986 to 89.

I know the Dairy Co Ops were monitoring the milk radioactive levels back in 1986, the local manager told us levels spiked about three weeks after the Chernobyl accident, then fell back to normal.Only to rise again the next winter as cattle were fed grass ensiled the previous summer. I know one sheep farmer who noticed a few abnormalities in new born lambs. Only one survived.

The dairy man! Well it's might be a good title for a horror film but it's not exactly a reliable source if info!
The daily mail might be better! Lol
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11068298/Radioactive-wild-boar-roaming-the-forests-of-Germany.html

Zxthinger

In the US afaik the EPA state that 10half life's need to pass to deem a place safe in general!
Ireland received as much fallout as southeast Germany in some location as it was intensified by rainfall and good knows we get plenty of rainfall here.

Norway was also badly contaminated and has one of the largest deer populations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1086547.stm

Here is a map showing fall out for Europe so you can see the correlation between certain location in Ireland and areas of Germany which btw made it compulsory to have wild bore shoot in the saxonay area if Germany to be tested for levels of radatoactive Ce137 (half life 30 years)

Incedently, the recent levels of radiation in Germany have risen on wildboar due to in part to several years of bumper mushroom growth.

The track record of the Irish government gives me no confidence in their reports which are IMO boast figures that sweeten the situation to protect the agri industrial complex, tbh it's a global practice of moving goal posts.
Map
http://www.unscear.org/docs/JfigXI.pdf
Look at saxony! It's even less coloured than Ireland yet levels increased there in 2012? Wtf

Grizzly 45

Zxthinger wrote: »

Nekarsulm wrote: »

The dairy man! Well it's might be a good title for a horror film but it's not exactly a reliable source if info!
The daily mail might be better! Lol
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11068298/Radioactive-wild-boar-roaming-the-forests-of-Germany.html

Whoa up there a sec...
Get your quotes right who said what.

Zxthinger

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

A bit of an auld hat now in Germany at this stage.It was a somwhat problem back in 1986 to 89.

I think this old hat just became fashionable again Grizz. Do a search and you'll find it has just become fresh news online.

Nekarsulm

Zxthinger wrote: »

Nekarsulm wrote: »

The dairy man! Well it's might be a good title for a horror film but it's not exactly a reliable source if info!
The daily mail might be better! Lol
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11068298/Radioactive-wild-boar-roaming-the-forests-of-Germany.html

"The dairy man!" ??
Not sure what the exclamation mark is for, or if Co-Op managers are scare mongers, just repeating the facts as presented to a group of us. On the sheep farmer side of things, the one abnormal one that survived had a kind of separate secondary skull cap on top of his head. It got christened "John Paul"......,

PS, sorry, never read the Daily Heil, don't need the angst about immigrants, blacks, crime,, and my own black uniform is at the cleaners........

Grizzly 45

Zxthinger wrote: »

I think this old hat just became fashionable again Grizz. Do a search and you'll find it has just become fresh news online.

Here is a map showing fall out for Europe so you can see the correlation between certain location in Ireland and areas of Germany which btw made it compulsory to have wild bore shoot in the saxonay area if Germany to be tested for levels of radatoactive Ce137 (half life 30 years)

First off.
Who or what is that map from and how old is it?There is no identifyng info,so that makes it hard to say is it accurate or not?

Second they are well aware of the problem and have been since 1986.
According to this article in Die
Welt.http://www.welt.de/wissenschaft/article12874184/Deutsche-Wildschweine-immer-noch-verstrahlt.html

German hunting organisations have set up and had for a long time measures in place to check wild boar for radiation levels.No irradiated boar have been introduced into the food chain anyway.You are more likely to get Hepatitis strain H,which basically is a flu like symptom and lasts about a week in humans from handling WB meat when gutting them than any radio active isotopes.Getting on a plane and flying to your holidays will irradiate you more than what you will pickup from eating game

http://www.br.de/themen/ratgeber/bayern_pilze_wildschweine100.html

This is from a Bavarian website,and in the state where we live and they are all saying the same thing. Its no big deal,there are procedures in place to seal with it,and the only reason it is "big news" at the moment is simply the last two summers have been extrodinarily good for mushrooms in Germany,and WB consume these which are brilliant filters of all sorts of crud. WB are known to carry various diseases from trichinoisis,TB,etc so it has to be cleared by a local meat inspector before it is sold onwards.

So this is mostly press and media HYPE making a story out of very OLD HAT to most German hunters.