best brother & sister

Pinesky

With Tapestry winning today & the great expectation for JFK in next years Derby does anyone have an opinion on who the best full brother & sister to race were/are ?

FIVE2_THREE

Very good question. Have to do a bit of digging for this one.

FIVE2_THREE

Ok. I've got one. All to Beautiful a stakes winning full sister to Galieo and Black Sam Bellamy. Not great but it's a start....

Peintre Celebre

There are some very good full siblings without both being outstanding. Suppose the Hasili foals spring to mind right away. Banks Hill, Champs Elysees, Cacique and Intercontinental all group 1 winners and full siblings, as too is Dansili who never actually won a gr.1. Plenty of options if you're looking at half siblings as opposed to full siblings

Hidden Cyclone

If you bring in half siblings Galileo and Sea The Stars enter the equation

Gringo180

Frankel and Noble Mission.

Sorry just read the thread title now thought it said siblings.

tryfix

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

There are some very good full siblings without both being outstanding. Suppose the Hasili foals spring to mind right away. Banks Hill, Champs Elysees, Cacique and Intercontinental all group 1 winners and full siblings, as too is Dansili who never actually won a gr.1. Plenty of options if you're looking at half siblings as opposed to full siblings

A few interesting sister brother half siblings that wouldn't be flagged as such.

Arc winner Zarkava and the Triumph Hurdle winner Zarkander are half siblings.

Arc winner Solemia and the decent hurdler Prospect Wells who are actually 3/4 siblings.

Arc winner Dylan Thomas and 2yo speedster Queens logic are half siblings.

Peintre Celebre

tryfix wrote: »

A few interesting sister brother half siblings that wouldn't be flagged as such.

Arc winner Zarkava and the Triumph Hurdle winner Zarkander are half siblings.

Arc winner Solemia and the decent hurdler Prospect Wells who are actually 3/4 siblings.

Arc winner Dylan Thomas and 2yo speedster Queens logic are half siblings.

And Dylan a 3/4s brother to Homecoming Queen

FIVE2_THREE

Once again hats off to the author for posing such a tough question but its going to be hard to find the best full brother and sister combo ever. after doing some research for the past hour I've noticed that

1. Most modern breeders rarely send a mare back to the same stallion. instead most breed to sale instead of breeding to race. and when you breed to sale you go to commercial stallions

2. Mother nature just hasn't blessed us with a good full brother and sister combo. most of the time we get good half siblings often of the same sex

I'm confident we will find a good combo. maybe we have to look back 80 or 100
years but there has to be a few.

FIVE2_THREE

Mill Reef has/had a full sister named Memory lane won the group 3 princess Elizabeth

tryfix

Nathaniel and Great Heavens. There’s a bucketload of good horses out of their dam Magnificent Style.

diomed

by Danehill out of Dansili

Banks Hill f. 1998
Coronation Stakes - Group 1
Prix Jacques Le Marois - Group 1
Prix De Sandringham - Group 2
Breeders Cup Filly & Mare - Grade 1

Cacique m. 2001
Prix Daniel Wildenstein - Group 2
Prix Daphnis - Group 3
Prix Du Chemin De Fer Du Nord - Group 3
Man O' War Stakes - Grade 1
Manhattan Handicap - Grade 1

Intercontinental f. 2000
Breeders Cup Filly & Mare - Grade 1
First Lady Stakes - Grade 1
Just A Game Stakes - Grade 1
Matriarch Stakes - Grade 1
Jenny Wiley Stakes - Grade 3

diomed

by Phalaris out of Scapa Flow

Fair Isle f.
1000 Guineas

Fairway m.
Champagne Stakes
Champion Stakes
Champion Stakes
Coventry Stakes
Eclipse Stakes
Jockey Club Cup
July Stakes
Princess Of Wales Stakes
St Leger Stakes

Pharos m.
Champion Stakes

diomed

I checked my records of Group races from 1900 to 2014 for England, Ireland, France, Germany, Italy, USA (or the races that became group races).
35,232 Group races, of which 2,767 races were won by full siblings. Some of the sibling were dominant e.g. the filly Goldikova won 14 Group 1, 1 Group 3. Her full brother Anodin won 1 Group 3.

This is a list of parents who produced offspring who won ten or more Group/Graded races between them (USA Grade 1 only).

10 wins ... BIRIBI1923 - ADVERTENCIA1927 ... Labrador (1); Le Pacha (8); Tambourin (1)
10 wins ... BIRDBROOK1961 - VIEW MISTRESS1964 ... Best Girl (1); Girl Friend (9)
15 wins ... BLANDFORD1919 - ATHASI1917 ... Athford (4); Centeno (1); Harinero (3); Primero (2); Trigo (5)
11 wins ... BRULEUR1910 - SEAWEED1916 ... Brulette (5); Hotweed (6)
19 wins ... DANEHILL1986 - HASILI1991 ... Banks Hill (4); Cacique (5); Champs Elysee (2); Dansili (3); Intercontinental (5)
14 wins ... DANSILI1996 - FAME AT LAST1997 ... Big Break (1); Famous Name (13)
11 wins ... DSCHINGIS KHAN1961 - ORDINALE1972 ... Orfano (1); Orofino (10)
16 wins ... ELA-MANA-MOU1976 - SOLAC1977 ... Double Eclipse (4); Double Trigger (12)
14 wins ... GALILEO1998 - KIND2001 ... Frankel (12); Noble Mission (2)
16 wins ... GALLINULE1884 - ADMIRATION1892 ... Admiral Hawke (2); Adula (1); Pretty Polly (13)
10 wins ... HANNIBAL1891 - FESTA1893 ... Fabula (3); Fels (7)
12 wins ... LE LEVANSTELL1957 - FEEMOSS1960 ... Le Moss (7); Levmoss (4); Sweet Mimosa (1)
14 wins ... MILL REEF1968 - CROWN TREASURE1973 ... Diamond Shoal (6); Glint Of Gold (8)
15 wins ... MONSUN1990 - SACARINA1992 ... Salve Regina (2); Samum (4); Schiaparelli (9)
12 wins ... NICCOLO DELL'ARCA1938 - ASPERTINA1938 ... Adam (1); Astolfina (11)
14 wins ... NORTHERN DANCER1961 - FLAMING PAGE1959 ... Minsky (4); Nijinsky (10)
11 wins ... PHALARIS1913 - SCAPA FLOW1914 ... Fair Isle (1); Fairway (9); Pharos (1)
15 wins ... PHARIS1936 - ADARGATIS1931 ... Ardan (13); Pardal (2)
12 wins ... RELIC1945 - TOSCA1942 ... Mystic (1); Texana (3); Texanita (8)
13 wins ... RIVERMAN1969 - TRILLION1974 ... Barger (1); Triptych (12)
14 wins ... SADLER'S WELLS1981 - COLORSPIN1983 ... Kayf Tara (8); Opera House (6)
10 wins ... SADLER'S WELLS1981 - HIGH HAWK1980 ... Hawker's News (1); Hunting Hawk (1); In The Wings (5); Morozov (3)
10 wins ... SADLER'S WELLS1981 - KASORA1993 ... Black Bear Island (1); High Chaparral (9)
10 wins ... SHARPEN UP1969 - DOUBLY SURE1971 ... Diesis (2); Kris (8)
10 wins ... STORM CAT1983 - MARIAH'S STORM1991 ... Giant's Causeway (8); You'resothrilling (2)
11 wins ... TANTIEME1947 - LA DANSE1951 ... Danseur (4); La Sega (7)
10 wins ... TENERANI1944 - ROMANELLA1943 ... Ribot (8); Rossellina (2)
10 wins ... THE TETRARCH1911 - SCOTCH GIFT1907 ... Tetratema (8); The Satrap (2)
10 wins ... TICINO1939 - LIEBESGOTTIN1940 ... Lauffeur (1); Liebeslied (6); Liebesmahl (3)
13 wins ... WOODMAN1983 - KORVEYA1982 ... Bosra Sham (6); Hector Protector (7)

If you were looking for the best evenly matched, high class, brother and sister full siblings I would pick the filly Bosra Sham (3xG1; 1xG2; 2xG3) and the colt Hector Protector (5xG1; 2xG3).

diomed

A few other good brother and sister full siblings ...

DANEHILL1986 - AGATHE1991 ... Aquarelliste f. (3xG1; 1xG2;1xG3); Artiste Royale m. (2xG1; 1xG3)
DANZIG1977 - BLUE NOTE1985 ... Blue Duster f. (1xG1;2xG3); Zieten m. (1xG1; 1xG2; 2xG3)
DJEBEL1937 - ASTRONOMIE1932 ... Arbar m. (2xG1; 1xG2); Arbele f. (2xG1; 1xG3); Floriados m. (1xG2)
GALILEO1998 - MAGNIFICIENT STYLE1993 ... Great Heavens f. (1xG1; 1xG2); Nathaniel m. (2xG1; 1xG2)
HYPERION1930 - DRIFT1926 ... Heliopolis m. (1xG2; 2xG3); Sun Stream f. (2xG1; 1xG3)
JOHN P GRIER1917 - PRISCILLA1914 ... Jack High m. (2xG1); Straitlace f. (1xG1; 2xG2)
LINAMIX1987 - FRAGRANT HILL1988 ... Alpine Rose f. (1xG1; 1xG2); Fracassant m. (1xG3); Fragrant Mix m. (1xG1; 2xG2)
LYPHARD1969 - NAVAJO PRINCESS1974 ... Dancing Brave m. (4xG1; 2xG3); Jolypha f. (2xG1)
MAUDLIN1978 - BEAUTIFUL BID1984 ... Beautiful Pleasure f. (5xG1); Mecke m. (2xG1)
MR PROSPECTOR1970 - COUP DE FOLIE1982 ... Coup De Genie f. (2xG1; 2xG3); Machiavellian m. (2xG1, 1x listed); Ocean Of Wisdom f. (1xG3)
NANTALLAH1953 - ROUGH SHOD1944 ... Moccasin f. (2xG1; 1xG3); Ridan m. (2xG1)
NINO1923 - CANALETTE1922 ... Canot m. (3xG2); Nica f. (2xG2; 1xG3)
POLYMELUS1902 - SILVER FOWL1904 ... Fifinella f. (3xG1); Silvern m. (1xG1; 1xG3)
ROBELLINO1978 - FLEETING RAINBOW1989 ... Quws m. (1xG2; 2xG3); Rebelline f. (2xG1; 1xG2; 1xG3)
ROYAL ACADEMY1987 - ALIDIVA1987 ... Ali-Royal m. (1xG1; 1xG3); Sleepytime f. (1xG1)
SADLER'S WELLS1981 - BROCADE1981 ... Barathea m. (2xG1; 1xG2); Gossamer f. (2xG1; 1xG3)
SANTA CLAUS1961 - REINE DES BOIS1950 ... Reindeer m. (1xG1; 1xG2; 2xG3); Santa Tina f. (1xG1; 2xG3)
SIGNORINO1902 - GIOTTINA1907 ... Ghiberti m. (2xG1); Gianpietrina f. (2xG1; 1xG3)
SWAPS1952 - BANQUET BELL1951 ... Chateaugay m. (3xG1); Primonetta f. (3xG1)

mickey1979

Good Thread on reading Hector Protector, Bosra Sham hard to beat that

kfallon

Potentially we might have a very good full brother - sister combo on our hands.

Gleneagles & Marvellous!

Me_Grapes

By Ted out of Helen:

Ruby & Katie Walsh

curioser

Me_Grapes wrote: »

By Ted out of Helen:

Ruby & Katie Walsh

Or Paul and Nina Carberry, by Tommy Carberry out of a Dan Moore mare?