Australia will retire........

FIVE2_THREE

After English Champions.

DylanAFC

I would be truely gutted if he didn't have a cut off the Arc.

FIVE2_THREE

DylanAFC wrote: »

I would be truely gutted if he didn't have a cut off the Arc.

Well prepare to be gutted. MT said himself that the last two will be the Irish and English champions

paddyisreal

No chance of him running and if he did I would lay him all day. Aob record in the arc ---the premier race in europe is abysimsl. I reckon fifty runners in the last 12 years at least and only 2 horses placed !

mailburner

paddyisreal wrote: »

No chance of him running and if he did I would lay him all day. Aob record in the arc ---the premier race in europe is abysimsl. I reckon fifty runners in the last 12 years at least and only 2 horses placed !

He won it with Dylan Thomas

Stacksey

Australia is "chaser in the making" a very "scopy type"

Jesus i hate when people use those terms!!

paddyisreal

mailburner wrote: »

He won it with Dylan Thomas

Only 1 winner of the arc is a poor result for the animals he has had. Bib suroor trained 3 winners and has numerous horses placed. All I an saying is the arc will be avoided . To be the best beat the best and the arc this year is some field . I would not have australia against that field and aob/magnier know that also.

Warper

I would love to see Australia in the Arc but the likelihood of soft ground will rule him out. Would also love to see him take on Kingman in the QE2 or else Kingman stepping up to 1m2f in the in the English Champion but alas neither will happen. If he misses the Arc would love to see him in the BC Classic.

Backstreet Moyes

Australia was a neck behind Kingman over his less than ideal trip and on the wrong side of the track. I would love to see them go head to head and i would be backing Australia.

Harry Angstrom

Ascot in the middle of October.... Chances are the ground will be soft. If it is, then Australia probably won't run.

longshotvalue

paddyisreal wrote: »

Only 1 winner of the arc is a poor result for the animals he has had. Bib suroor trained 3 winners and has numerous horses placed. All I an saying is the arc will be avoided . To be the best beat the best and the arc this year is some field . I would not have australia against that field and aob/magnier know that also.

In fairness they are busy winning Group1 usually troughout the season and the majority of their horses have had tougher seasons that the usual Arc Winners..

tipptom

Stacksey wrote: »

Australia is "chaser in the making" a very "scopy type"

Jesus i hate when people use those terms!!

And Joseph gets to make the weight!

Harry Angstrom

tipptom wrote: »

And Joseph gets to make the weight!

Next year's Triumph Hurdle winner :pac:

hawkeyethenoo

Nuts102 wrote: »

Australia was a neck behind Kingman over his less than ideal trip and on the wrong side of the track. I would love to see them go head to head and i would be backing Australia.

kingman would destroy him over a mile, id put my house on it, you can put a line through the guineas for kingman as well, doyle panicked due to 2 groups and went too soon. no chance o brien will take him on anyway, he knows hed be beat.

FIVE2_THREE

Warper wrote: »

I would love to see Australia in the Arc but the likelihood of soft ground will rule him out. Would also love to see him take on Kingman in the QE2 or else Kingman stepping up to 1m2f in the in the English Champion but alas neither will happen. If he misses the Arc would love to see him in the BC Classic.

There will be no Arc or Breeders cup. Irish champions and English champions are the last two.

paddyisreal

If anything half decent say the likes of circle de anglais turns up then he wouldnt run in the english champion.

Gringo180

paddyisreal wrote: »

Only 1 winner of the arc is a poor result for the animals he has had. Bib suroor trained 3 winners and has numerous horses placed. All I an saying is the arc will be avoided . To be the best beat the best and the arc this year is some field . I would not have australia against that field and aob/magnier know that also.

To be fair to O brien he has his top horses going early in the season so its maybe hard to keep them in peak condition for the best middle distance race in the world.

tipptom

Gringo180 wrote: »

To be fair to O brien he has his top horses going early in the season so its maybe hard to keep them in peak condition for the best middle distance race in the world.

H
ey, cant blame them,love to see them in the arc,better horse than Frankel?

kfallon

tipptom wrote: »

H
ey, cant blame them,love to see them in the arc,better horse than Frankel?

Sea The Stars is the benchmark.....not Frankel!

paddyisreal

kfallon wrote: »

Sea The Stars is the benchmark.....not Frankel!

Would agree. Great to see a horse do what he did. You have to admire when they race the best. Frankel never raced outside the uk . Look at just the way who is the best 10 furlong horse in the world and is going for the arc even though it probably wouldnt stay. Fair play to the connections

Backstreet Moyes

Frankel was the flashy horse. Sea the stars looked like he taunted horses waited to eyeball them before saying bye bye. He would have said bye bye to Frankel also over any distance.

hawkeyethenoo

hate the way people say it as fact that one would have beaten the other, nobody knows what would have happened.

andyman

Don't turn this into another Sea The Stars vs Frankel thread please

Pinesky

Most people struggle to pick the winner of any race.
How someone could be certain of the result of a race between STS frankel dancing brave brigadier gerard mill reef nijinsky allez france dahia sir ivor not to mention secretariat et al is beyond me.
Id assume PP would go 6/1 the field.

FIVE2_THREE

paddyisreal wrote: »

Would agree. Great to see a horse do what he did. You have to admire when they race the best. Frankel never raced outside the uk . Look at just the way who is the best 10 furlong horse in the world and is going for the arc even though it probably wouldnt stay. Fair play to the connections

My God. your constant bickering about Frankel haven't never left the UK has become childish and repetitive. leaving one's country is the exception not the rule. How many American horses have left their drug haven ? Zenyatta ? Wise Dan ?Personal Ensign ? Citation ? Seattle Slew ? Affirmed ? Sunday Silence ? down under how many left Australia ? Makybe Diva, Might and Power, Kingston town ? Lonhro, Tulloch NONE Please spare us all your constant gloom and doom post. I'm quite sure we can subscribe to your past post to predict what you will say with accuracy.

UrbanFret

Australia will take all the easy options and retire hyped to the last by O Brien. Had he been all that he'd have won the guineas regardless. Wasn't overly impressive yesterday either. Will beat the same horses again and prove nothing. If they don't want to go to the arc which in my opinion he wouldn't finish in the first 3 in at least have the balls to take on Kingman over a mile in the QE II.

Itziger

UrbanFret wrote: »

Australia will take all the easy options and retire hyped to the last by O Brien. Had he been all that he'd have won the guineas regardless. Wasn't overly impressive yesterday either. Will beat the same horses again and prove nothing. If they don't want to go to the arc which in my opinion he wouldn't finish in the first 3 in at least have the balls to take on Kingman over a mile in the QE II.

This is one of the more disappointing aspects of horses who stick to one distance. At least Australia has run at the 3 'classic' distances this year. But, if as they are saying, it ends up being Irish and English Champion Stakes and he beats the usual suspects by a length and a half over 10 furlongs, it would be a bit of a let down I agree.

Then again, there's a helluva lot of money at stake. Would you take on Kingman over a mile??

Gringo180

Itziger wrote: »

This is one of the more disappointing aspects of horses who stick to one distance. At least Australia has run at the 3 'classic' distances this year. But, if as they are saying, it ends up being Irish and English Champion Stakes and he beats the usual suspects by a length and a half over 10 furlongs, it would be a bit of a let down I agree.

Then again, there's a helluva lot of money at stake. Would you take on Kingman over a mile??

Kingmans turn of foot would be too hot to handle over a mile. Cant see this horse been touched for the rest of the year.

UrbanFret

Itziger wrote: »

This is one of the more disappointing aspects of horses who stick to one distance. At least Australia has run at the 3 'classic' distances this year. But, if as they are saying, it ends up being Irish and English Champion Stakes and he beats the usual suspects by a length and a half over 10 furlongs, it would be a bit of a let down I agree.

Then again, there's a helluva lot of money at stake. Would you take on Kingman over a mile??

I am of the opinion that kingman is a superb miler but if austrailia is as good as Aidan thinks he is he must have a sporting chance. If the roles were reversed i think Prince Khalid would have a crack at it. I remember his warning who was a very good miler moving up to 1 1/4 against Nashwan and indian skimmer in the eclipse. The weather turned the going into muck and the move backfired spectacularly but at least he was sporting enough to give it a go.

Harry Angstrom

Immediately after Tuesday's race, Joseph said that Australia's best distance was between 8-10 furlongs. I couldn't help but being cynical in thinking that Joey's primary reason for saying this was to pump up his future stud value, in much the same way that Aidan is regularly heard to say that *insert Group One middle distance horse's name here* has enough speed to win a July Cup. If Coolmore really think that Australia has enough speed to take on Kingman at a mile, then let them take him on. Otherwise they should keep their mouths shut, because nobody believes much of what they say anymore anyway.