e60 530d msport, e60 535d or range rover sport

chriity139

In the next up and coming months I will be buying a new car for work. I do around 500kms per week so ideally I am looking for something big and comfortable with effortless power.

Has anyone any experience with the above if so what are they like. I have no issue with the taxing of the above cars.

Any other cars you think I should look into ?

Thanks

Idbatterim

730D's can be had for fairly cheap now or an S class, CLS?

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/S-Class/CDI-AUTO/49414001590193620/advert?channel=CARS

I see the emissions based S320 CDI tax is 1200, so not a substantial saving over the E1494 CC rate...

chriity139

Never even thought of an s class. Might be a bit old for me as I'm 25 but will certainly consider one.

Not mad on the looks of the 7 series but I'll add that to the list.

Cheers for the recommendations

Idbatterim

the CLS also look class, you can go for the sporty bms or the classy looking mercs...

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-530d-m-sport-co2-emission-tax/7456241

this came up on another thread recently, gorgeous car, but asking a bit much in my opinion.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=91780031#post91780031

Even a 520d would be more than adequate for what you need... Im not too up on the audis...

Not mad on the looks of the 7 series but I'll add that to the list.

I only mention the 7 because if you are getting done on the tax, might aswell be done on a 7 series v 5 series, the 7 would be more complex than the 5 though, so if stuff goes wrong...

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/CLS-Class/320-CDI-/36813807267430520/advert?channel=CARS

chriity139

That 530d is gorgeous but its mad money for what it is, only worth about 10-12k max.

I think the cls mercs are stunning but think they are a bit out of my price range. Only thing that is putting me off the 520d m sport is the timing chain issues, if its not replaced its a very hefty bill to get it repaired. That problem doesnt exist with the 3 litre engines.

Was looking at 3 series coupes but yet again they are out of my price range.

beertons

What's the budget on the car, excluding the tax?

Idbatterim

That 530d is gorgeous but its mad money for what it is, only worth about 10-12k max.

I think the cls mercs are stunning but think they are a bit out of my price range. Only thing that is putting me off the 520d m sport is the timing chain issues, if its not replaced its a very hefty bill to get it repaired. That problem doesnt exist with the 3 litre engines.

Was looking at 3 series coupes but yet again they are out of my price range.

if you get the older 163 bhp engine that ran up to 2007, they dont have the chain issues. the 3 series coupes are holding their value unbelievably well, thats why I havent changed my E46 coupe for the E92 one yet. would bringing one in from the uk be an option for you? If you look at the merc cls, even on carzone you can get 2006 ones asking E10,000...

chriity139

Yes id go to the uk for the right car alright. Only time I looked properly into the uk market was when my dad was thinking of importing an e39 m5 about 10 years. Purchase price was grand but the vrt was absolutely sickening. If i wasn't so far away from work id happily jump on a e46 m3 but the distance i travel now Id say that would be big chunk of my wages gone over the month.
The cls is definitely up there with the 530d and the range rover sport.

chicorytip

As regards the Range Rover Sport,the version to look for is the 3.6L TDV8.The
basic 2.7V6 is not terribly sporty! So I am
informed.

Idbatterim

Vr on m5 would have been 36%. On the 320 or 520d, its probably 17 or 18%...

chriity139

beertons wrote: »

What's the budget on the car, excluding the tax?

10-15k

chriity139

Idbatterim wrote: »

Vr on m5 would have been 36%. On the 320 or 520d, its probably 17 or 18%...

At the time i think it worked out at about 17000 euro, nearly got sick

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Discount the RR sport, they aren't in the same league as an e60.
If you can find a good spec m-sport 535d then I'd be going for that one. As a former owner - and regretting the sale - of such an e60 535d!

The 535d would have only 2-3 less mpg than the 530d usually for motorway driving and approx 4-5 less in town. But for that you get ~50bhp more, an extra turbo, and a lot less lag.
My 535d was to date the only diesel car I've driven with a practically linear torque band & power delivery, and virtually no turbo lag either due to the turbo setup.

If you're buying an e60 diesel, make sure to get one with FSH, one that has the swirl flaps blanked off, and be careful of the turbos. Listen for wastegate rattle and for excessive turbo whine. Replacing two turbos is a large bill!

chriity139

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Discount the RR sport, they aren't in the same league as an e60.
If you can find a good spec m-sport 535d then I'd be going for that one. As a former owner - and regretting the sale - of such an e60 535d!

The 535d would have only 2-3 less mpg than the 530d usually for motorway driving and approx 4-5 less in town. But for that you get ~50bhp more, an extra turbo, and a lot less lag.
My 535d was to date the only diesel car I've driven with a practically linear torque band & power delivery, and virtually no turbo lag either due to the turbo setup.

If you're buying an e60 diesel, make sure to get one with FSH, one that has the swirl flaps blanked off, and be careful of the turbos. Listen for wastegate rattle and for excessive turbo whine. Replacing two turbos is a large bill!

Jesus I thought the 535 would be much more expensive to run than the 530. If its only a few mpgs in the difference that may be top of my list.
I have only ever owned one twin turbo car which was a b4 legacy so im sure power wise would be similar delivery just the 535d would be much quicker.

Apparently its very hard to get a good 535d, I know of a few lads who looked at 5-6 of them and they wernt in the best of condition.

Is it vital that the swirl flaps are removed ? If they arnt removed is it a costly job to get done ?

Would there be a massive performance difference between the 530d and the 535d ? Worth the extra 3-5k for the same year of each model ?

Cleveland Hot Pocket

chriity139 wrote: »

Jesus I thought the 535 would be much more expensive to run than the 530. If its only a few mpgs in the difference that may be top of my list.
I have only ever owned one twin turbo car which was a b4 legacy so im sure power wise would be similar delivery just the 535d would be much quicker.

Apparently its very hard to get a good 535d, I know of a few lads who looked at 5-6 of them and they wernt in the best of condition.

Is it vital that the swirl flaps are removed ? If they arnt removed is it a costly job to get done ?

Would there be a massive performance difference between the 530d and the 535d ? Worth the extra 3-5k for the same year of each model ?

I would definitely say it is a major difference in performance between a 530d and an equivalent 535d. Certainly noticeable, there's a couple of 530d owners on here that have been for a spin in my 535d and vice versa that could speak for that one :P
It's reccomended that the swirl flaps are removed, I don't think it's too difficult and there are even youtube videos showing how its done! Mine already had them removed so I don't know how difficult it is.

Re MPG, I'd be lucky to have hit 25 on a <10 minute drive, average approx 28-30 in normal driving and up to 35-40 on a motorway drive. (Although to get 40 you'd have to do Dublin-Galway at 110kmh)


To me, it is worth the price premium for the 535d. Indeed at the moment I'm strongly considering buying a second one. It is hard it seems to find a good spec one, that is an m-sport (a prerequisite IMO), one that has the proper spec IDrive/Nav - identifiable by two disc drives in the console), and one that looks like it was minded well. They ain't cheap to maintain, even just an oil change takes 8.3 litres of top spec oil for instance.

chriity139

Thats fairly good mpg considering the performance. How far would you get on a full tank ?

8.3 litres for an oil change jesus thats a lot compared to what I'm use to, most iv used is around 4.5 in the impreza I think.

There would be no way you would keep to 110km/h on the motorway with that sort of power under your right foot.

If i do end up getting a 535d Id say I would be tempted to get it remapped, ridiculous increase in power and torque from it, turn it into an economical m5 without the glorious soundtrack of the v10 :P

Is servicing costs etc much more expensive than your normal bmw considering the model or is it pretty much standard across the board

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Best is 600 miles but average 450-500 miles.

They do take well to a remap. I saw one in the uk running 450bhp plus. But that was with a custom intercooler, rad, and various other bits of plumbing :P

I reckon servicing wiould be the same as any other e60 bmw, worst bill I had was for 600 euro, but that was a full service and a good few other bits that needed doing. Standard service 250-350 at a bmw specialist indy.

chriity139

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Best is 600 miles but average 450-500 miles.

They do take well to a remap. I saw one in the uk running 450bhp plus. But that was with a custom intercooler, rad, and various other bits of plumbing :P

I reckon servicing wiould be the same as any other e60 bmw, worst bill I had was for 600 euro, but that was a full service and a good few other bits that needed doing. Standard service 250-350 at a bmw specialist indy.

Christ that must be around the 700 ftlbs of torque. Say its an animal of a thing. Servicing doesnt sound too bad, thought it might be hitting m3, m5 figures due to spec.

quietsailor

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201408096478426/sort/default/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/page/1/engine-size-cars/3l_to_3-9l/usedcars/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/make/bmw/advert-type/Classified/model/3_series/postcode/so155fn/seller-type/trade_adverts/radius/1500?logcode=p
 
I've been looking at buying a car in from the UK recently and a friend sent me on this link. It's an estate so it might not suit everyone - but what a Q car

chriity139

Love the bmw estate cars, if I had a family id be straight onto one but until then a normal m-sport will do me just fine

Marcusm

quietsailor wrote: »

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201408096478426/sort/default/maximum-mileage/up_to_40000_miles/page/1/engine-size-cars/3l_to_3-9l/usedcars/onesearchad/used%2Cnearlynew%2Cnew/fuel-type/diesel/make/bmw/advert-type/Classified/model/3_series/postcode/so155fn/seller-type/trade_adverts/radius/1500?logcode=p

I've been looking at buying a car in from the UK recently and a friend sent me on this link. It's an estate so it might not suit everyone - but what a Q car

When you say Q car, you mean like a sleeper? An unassuming car with high power/performance? I'm not sure that a sub 200bhp diesel 3 series estate is powerful or benefits from high performance.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Marcusm wrote: »

When you say Q car, you mean like a sleeper? An unassuming car with high power/performance? I'm not sure that a sub 200bhp diesel 3 series estate is powerful or benefits from high performance.

A 535d touring debadged would be more like a Q car!

quietsailor

Marcusm wrote: »

When you say Q car, you mean like a sleeper? An unassuming car with high power/performance? I'm not sure that a sub 200bhp diesel 3 series estate is powerful or benefits from high performance.

In general no, but it's an estate - something not normally know to be even quick, much less fast and remember we're talking about Ireland, home of the paddy-spec underpowered engines. It's probably faster than most saloons here :mad: