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Israel foiled Hamas coup plot in West Bank

  • 19-08-2014 12:20am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭


    Fascinating article:
    Israel’s Shin Bet security service said Monday it thwarted a Hamas coup attempt in the West Bank aimed at toppling Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and starting a third intifada uprising

    Read more: Israel says it foiled Hamas plan for massive attacks on Israel, coup against PA | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-says-it-foiled-hamas-plan-for-coup-against-pa-in-west-bank/#ixzz3AnCGgTvA
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    It is now clear why Israel moved to smash Hamas in recent weeks.

    In Mahmoud Abbas, Israel has a partner in peace. This is why Hamas must be crushed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Fascinating article:



    It is now clear why Israel moved to smash Hamas in recent weeks.

    In Mahmoud Abbas, Israel has a partner in peace. This is why Hamas must be crushed.

    Israel and peace, a contradiction, if there ever was one. It would not know how to handle it, lol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 439 ✭✭Harold Weiss


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Fascinating article:



    It is now clear why Israel moved to smash Hamas in recent weeks.

    In Mahmoud Abbas, Israel has a partner in peace. This is why Hamas must be crushed.

    Israel doesn't want peace, how else could it excuse continuing to murder Palestinians indiscriminately?

    Israel's just an enclave with special white people that think God made them better than everyone else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭Crooked Jack


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Fascinating article:

    It is now clear why Israel moved to smash Hamas in recent weeks.

    In Mahmoud Abbas, Israel has a partner in peace. This is why Hamas must be crushed.

    Israel has not moved to smash Hamas in recent weeks, Israel has moved to smash the Palestinian people. They cannot have a partner in peace because they have no interest in peace, they want the total subjugation of Palestine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭For Reals


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Fascinating article:



    It is now clear why Israel moved to smash Hamas in recent weeks.

    In Mahmoud Abbas, Israel has a partner in peace. This is why Hamas must be crushed.

    Are you a propagandist for the Israeli government?
    I cannot see Israel concerned for any Palestinian. Israel are aggressors. Their idea of peace is taking what they want while the Palestinians do nothing. That's not peace, its subjugation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    You don't decide to continuously bomb and massacre another race when you are supposedly searching for a partner in peace. Jack hit the nail on the head right there.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭For Reals


    Israel doesn't want peace, how else could it excuse continuing to murder Palestinians indiscriminately?

    Israel's just an enclave with special white people that think God made them better than everyone else.

    We must not tar all people with the same brush. Their are good people in Israel, those who honour and understand peace and the horror of holocaust, not wishing their government to carry out the same on others, as their government tar all non Israelis with the same brush.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    I am pretty sure that in the context of this thread, we are referring to Israel, the Israelis, the people of Israel as a means of talking about their leadership and not their general population.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 439 ✭✭Harold Weiss


    For Reals wrote: »
    We must not tar all people with the same brush. Their are good people in Israel, those who honour and understand peace and the horror of holocaust, not wishing their government to carry out the same on others, as their government tar all non Israelis with the same brush.

    How do you know?

    Jerusalem Post held a poll where 86% opposed a ceasefire during so-called operation protective edge.

    Israel is not a secular democracy, it's an Ethnocracy where deluded white people think they were chosen by God to rule over the planet.

    I swear, some in EU/US were more concerned about Robin Williams than the thousands suffering at hands of Israelis.

    Not to belittle the death of Williams, but why is 1 celebrity mourned more than thousands of Palestinians.

    I'll tell you why.

    People in EU/US are constantly made to feel guilty for criticizing Israelis even when it's perfectly legitimate and objective. It draws accusations of "anti-Semitism" or "Nazism" or some other slanderous remark.

    Arabs are Semites so this whole "You're an anti-Semite" "You're a Nazi" is ironic to say the least when Israelis are themselves using Nazi slogans like 'One nation, one state, one leader' while bombing Palestinians with multi million dollar weaponry.

    Most Israelis aren't even Semites, they're descended from European/American/Russian heritage.

    1/5 of Israelis are from Russia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 439 ✭✭Harold Weiss


    I am pretty sure that in the context of this thread, we are referring to Israel, the Israelis, the people of Israel as a means of talking about their leadership and not their general population.

    The polls speak for themselves. The overwhelming majority support the Likud government and Netanyahu's policies otherwise they'd vote for some moderate leadership..

    It is what it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    I find the entire notion that we are suppose to believe a word Shin Bet said to be laughable.

    If what there claiming was even remotely true, then Abbas would end the Unity government agreement right away, and be telling the world about the coup attempt.....

    Whats also interesting is how the reasons for the Israeli assault on Gaza keep changing, first it was about the kidnap and murder of the Israeli settler teenagers, then it was "terror" tunnels nonsense, and now its was to foil a coup attempt. Once someone keeps changing there story like this, its pretty clear that the Israeli government is not being truthful about there claims.

    Also, it should be noted it was the Israeli government who torpedoed the latest peace talks, after backing out of previous agreed conditions, during the same talks....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭Valmont


    I see you're using 'Hamas' and 'innocent civilians' interchangeably there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    wes wrote: »
    Whats also interesting is how the reasons for the Israeli assault on Gaza keep changing, first it was about the kidnap and murder of the Israeli settler teenagers, then it was "terror" tunnels nonsense, and now its was to foil a coup attempt. Once someone keeps changing there story like this, its pretty clear that the Israeli government is not being truthful about there claims.

    3 israeli teenagers were murdered, a Hamas leader in the West Bank has confessed to organizing it.

    More than 30 tunnels from Gaza into Israel were discovered by the IDF and destroyed during operation Protective Edge. From previous posts on various threads you seem to have a fundamental misconception about the nature and intent of these tunnels.

    A Hamas coup against Fatah is certainly a possibility and Shin Bet are certainly a more reliable source than Hamas or Fatah, in this case apparently Shin Bet got information from Jordanian spies inside the West Bank. Abbas has not denounced the report which in itself is telling http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/40743-140819-abbas-calls-for-probe-into-hamas-coup-plot
    In a statement released by the official Palestinian news agency WAFA, Abbas indicated the report could severely impact the unity pact signed between Fatah and Hamas in June, saying it represents “a grave threat to the unity of the Palestinian people and its future.” Abbas also said the it could have “extremely dangerous” implications on the entire region.


    And Hamas have broken another ceasefire. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184198#.U_NaTvldV8E
    One of the problems that exists is it's split leadership which vies for position, you have military and political factions in Gaza, a faction in the West Bank, the nominal leadership in Qatar which doesn't want to be rendered redundatn by the Gaza faction leaders (formerly headquarters in Syria before the civil war there) which has it's own military faction in Gaza seperate from the regular Gaza hamas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭tony007


    I find it interesting that people will believe anything the Israeli security forces say, even when it is shown that they lie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    3 israeli teenagers were murdered, a Hamas leader in the West Bank has confessed to organizing it.

    Confession under torture....... No need to say anything else.

    Also, Hamas leadership didn't order it, it is taught to be a rogue faction.

    Secondly a few weeks before the IDF murdered some Palestinian teenagers as well.
    More than 30 tunnels from Gaza into Israel were discovered by the IDF and destroyed during operation Protective Edge. From previous posts on various threads you seem to have a fundamental misconception about the nature and intent of these tunnels.

    30 tunnels, heading where exactly? The tunnels largely went into Egypt.

    Why should I trust any information from the IDF, an organization that is regularly caught out lieing, and not to mention the deliberate murder of civilians.
    A Hamas coup against Fatah is certainly a possibility and Shin Bet are certainly a more reliable source than Hamas or Fatah, in this case apparently Shin Bet got information from Jordanian spies inside the West Bank. Abbas has not denounced the report which in itself is telling http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/40743-140819-abbas-calls-for-probe-into-hamas-coup-plot

    He is calling for probe, and hasn't ended the unity government, shows that he is being skeptical if you ask me. If there was evidence of a coup, the unity government would be done instantly. Abbas wouldn't bother with a probe, and it make 0 sense for Hamas to attempt a coup, after going to all the trouble with the unity government.

    Still, constantly changing justifications is a clear example of someone trying to justify something after the fact.

    Unnamed sources........ FFS, that is even worse than information from Shin Bet, at least we know in that case where the information is coming from. A unnamed security source, could be anyone remotely related to security.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    tony007 wrote: »
    I find it interesting that people will believe anything the Israeli security forces say, even when it is shown that they lie.

    Who doesn't


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    In Mahmoud Abbas, Israel has a partner in peace.

    Partner indeed, do they meet their "partner" halfway on issues like settlements etc?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭For Reals


    How do you know?

    Jerusalem Post held a poll where 86% opposed a ceasefire during so-called operation protective edge.

    Israel is not a secular democracy, it's an Ethnocracy where deluded white people think they were chosen by God to rule over the planet.

    I swear, some in EU/US were more concerned about Robin Williams than the thousands suffering at hands of Israelis.

    Not to belittle the death of Williams, but why is 1 celebrity mourned more than thousands of Palestinians.

    I'll tell you why.

    People in EU/US are constantly made to feel guilty for criticizing Israelis even when it's perfectly legitimate and objective. It draws accusations of "anti-Semitism" or "Nazism" or some other slanderous remark.

    Arabs are Semites so this whole "You're an anti-Semite" "You're a Nazi" is ironic to say the least when Israelis are themselves using Nazi slogans like 'One nation, one state, one leader' while bombing Palestinians with multi million dollar weaponry.

    Most Israelis aren't even Semites, they're descended from European/American/Russian heritage.

    1/5 of Israelis are from Russia.

    Have you met every Israeli? If so and you didn't like them, fair enough.
    Personally, I wouldn't put an entire nation or its people in the one mould. I've never voted for Fianna Fail, but I guess I'm responsible for them having been here at the time....
    The best way I can describe it is how I can rail against the American government and how they treat their own people like crap.
    I'd refer to the Israeli government if I'm talking in absolutes. But your call of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    3 israeli teenagers were murdered, a Hamas leader in the West Bank has confessed to organizing it.

    More than 30 tunnels from Gaza into Israel were discovered by the IDF and destroyed during operation Protective Edge. From previous posts on various threads you seem to have a fundamental misconception about the nature and intent of these tunnels.

    A Hamas coup against Fatah is certainly a possibility and Shin Bet are certainly a more reliable source than Hamas or Fatah, in this case apparently Shin Bet got information from Jordanian spies inside the West Bank. Abbas has not denounced the report which in itself is telling http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/40743-140819-abbas-calls-for-probe-into-hamas-coup-plot




    And Hamas have broken another ceasefire. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/184198#.U_NaTvldV8E
    One of the problems that exists is it's split leadership which vies for position, you have military and political factions in Gaza, a faction in the West Bank, the nominal leadership in Qatar which doesn't want to be rendered redundatn by the Gaza faction leaders (formerly headquarters in Syria before the civil war there) which has it's own military faction in Gaza seperate from the regular Gaza hamas.

    Oddly, egypt found tunnels on their side of the border and managed to fill them in with bulldozers. No invasion of gaza. No children killed.

    Finkelstein has an interesting theory on Israels need to invade gaza to 'fill' tunnels on Gaza's side of the border, what Israel calls a 'terror tunnel' palestinians call a bomb shelter...

    And yes, first two victims of the ceasefire? A two year old and their mum.

    How anyone can still defend this genocidal child slaughter is completely beyond me....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Oddly, egypt found tunnels on their side of the border and managed to fill them in with bulldozers. No invasion of gaza. No children killed.

    Seriously? The Gaza-Egypt tunnels are for smuggling goods and oftentimes weapons into Gaza. The Gaza-Israel tunnels are for terrorists to attack Israel, they are for a completely different purpose. If Israel just filled in the tunnels at their end, the palestinians would just have to dig a short detour and be able to emerge into Israel again. The IDF had to destroy the entirety of the length of the tunnels to stop Hamas from re-using them.
    Finkelstein has an interesting theory on Israels need to invade gaza to 'fill' tunnels on Gaza's side of the border, what Israel calls a 'terror tunnel' palestinians call a bomb shelter...

    Finkelstein must have been smoking something when he said that, bomb shelters lol.. not for Gazan civilians anyway. We know that Hamas leaders hid out in underground shelters for the duration of the conflict. And why would "bomb shelters" need to exit on the Israeli side of the border? That's a bit of a crazy notion from Finkelstein.

    How anyone can still defend this genocidal child slaughter is completely beyond me....

    If Hamas hadn't fired rockets at Israel then they'd still be alive. Khaled Meshaal doesn't care one bit about Gazan deaths while he's out living in luxury in Qatar and deciding people fates from a safe distance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Seriously? The Gaza-Egypt tunnels are for smuggling goods and oftentimes weapons into Gaza. The Gaza-Israel tunnels are for terrorists to attack Israel, they are for a completely different purpose. If Israel just filled in the tunnels at their end, the palestinians would just have to dig a short detour and be able to emerge into Israel again. The IDF had to destroy the entirety of the length of the tunnels to stop Hamas from re-using them.



    Finkelstein must have been smoking something when he said that, bomb shelters lol.. not for Gazan civilians anyway. We know that Hamas leaders hid out in underground shelters for the duration of the conflict. And why would "bomb shelters" need to exit on the Israeli side of the border? That's a bit of a crazy notion from Finkelstein.




    If Hamas hadn't fired rockets at Israel then they'd still be alive. Khaled Meshaal doesn't care one bit about Gazan deaths while he's out living in luxury in Qatar and deciding people fates from a safe distance.

    The person who pulls the trigger is always the person responsible for the death. Always. For shame Israel for this genocide of innocents. For shame their defenders.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    Azwaldo55 wrote: »
    Fascinating article:



    It is now clear why Israel moved to smash Hamas in recent weeks.

    In Mahmoud Abbas, Israel has a partner in peace. This is why Hamas must be crushed.

    It's not clear at all & Hamas don't need to be crushed. You just sound like a crazed militant.

    I suppose you could say Hamas need to be crushed to destroy any hope of Palestinian unity & to make Israel feel good about themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    It's not clear at all & Hamas don't need to be crushed. You just sound like a crazed militant.

    Tell that to the 18 guys sumarily executed by Hamas today.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭DarkyHughes


    Tell that to the 18 guys sumarily executed by Hamas today.

    I can't there dead, that still doesn't make anything clear just because Hamas killed some people they taught were spies. It's like saying everything has become clear after Israel bombed a few schools & hospitals or in a other bloody episode killed four toddlers playing football on the beach or wiped out an entire family of 20 people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Palmach


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    The person who pulls the trigger is always the person responsible for the death. Always. For shame Israel for this genocide of innocents. For shame their defenders.

    For shame those who misuse the word genocide to describe Israeli actions. For sham those that deny Israel he right to self defence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭john.han


    Palmach wrote: »
    For shame those who misuse the word genocide to describe Israeli actions. For sham those that deny Israel he right to self defence.

    Very apt typo


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