Banned in UK affect IRL?

more57

Hi all
I was caught speeding in wales in april. I was doing 106mph. I was made pay a roadside deposit of £500 or be arrested. I payed it. The court case was july 31st. I pleaded guilty through post and thought i would be ok i could not attend due to work. The case was adjourned and i am facing disqualification now. I dont know whats going to happen. If im banned in the UK will that effect me here? I know there is a mutual agreement act but has it been brought into law? Im in desperate need of help the case has been brought forward to this thursday. The solicitor im onto in the UK is also unsure of the law does anybody have any insight?

Thanks

Fred Swanson

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more57

But has this been signed into law?

Fred Swanson

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greenman09

I didn't think mutual recognition was brought in. Spoke about numerous times but didn't know it actually went through

Fred Swanson

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greenman09

Yeah thought it was the points. Talked for years but never brought in.

more57

Ok. Well I'm due In court in wales on Thursday. Should I represent myself or fork out 700€ for a solicitor ?

Joo0

What was the speed limit ?

godtabh

more57 wrote: »

Ok. Well I'm due In court in wales on Thursday. Should I represent myself or fork out 700€ for a solicitor ?

Depends on how much you want a disqualification on your record.

billie1b

Joo0 wrote: »

What was the speed limit ?

What does it matter, he/she admitted guilt, thats not the problem now, the problem is disqualification

Fred Swanson

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ABajaninCork

Joo0 wrote: »

What was the speed limit ?

Speed limit on UK motorways is 70 mph (112 kph).

Henry Ford III

Your Irish Insurer (if you have one) would certainly be interested in this OP.

more57

Not sure on the speed limit it was on the A55...heading to hollyhead. I pleaded guilty as I had no choice. I'm going to get a solicitor now. If a ban is imposed it then comes to an irish court to decide how long etc so i could fight it over here aswell.

Fred Swanson

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Bepolite

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Out of curiosity, what's your basis for this statement? I would have thought they would be even more punitive where people did not turn up.

OP you know now but doing more than a ton in the UK will never end well.

ABajaninCork

more57 wrote: »

Not sure on the speed limit it was on the A55...heading to hollyhead. I pleaded guilty as I had no choice. I'm going to get a solicitor now. If a ban is imposed it then comes to an irish court to decide how long etc so i could fight it over here aswell.

Um - You had no choice as the Bill got you bang to rights! That stretch of road is notorious for speed traps/guns.

But as you were caught doing over 100, then a ban is inevitable. Probably a six month ban. I'm going by what happened to friends of mine in a similar situation. Mate was caught doing 118 mph on the M4. He got £800 and a nine month ban.

If the UK courts give you a ban, then the Irish would not see any reason to interfere with that.

Fred Swanson

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more57

The solicitor said I should turn up and argue a "special reason"....basically if I don't have my car I lose my job. Plus the date on the ticket is wrong and so is the reg number of my car...surely that has to count for something !

Fred Swanson

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Bepolite

more57 wrote: »

The solicitor said I should turn up and argue a "special reason"....basically if I don't have my car I lose my job. Plus the date on the ticket is wrong and so is the reg number of my car...surely that has to count for something !

I was going to say to people not go get on their high horse etc.

Why has that got to count for something? You were doing 106MPH on an A road. Being a total moron on the motorway is one thing, you were punting it down a road where there are potentially pedestrians and cyclists. Hopefully, just hopefully you'll be treated to a bit of prison hospitality.

Far be it for me to suggest anything other than what your solicitor has told you to do but if it were me I'd be there pleading guilty and promising I'd never be such a muppet ever again.

Stheno

Bepolite wrote: »

I was going to say to people not go get on their high horse etc.

Why has that got to count for something? You were doing 108MPH on an A road. Being a total moron on the motorway is one thing, you were punting it down a road where there are potentially pedestrians and cyclists. Hopefully, just hopefully you'll be treated to a bit of prison hospitality.

Far be it for me to suggest anything other than what your solicitor has told you to do but if it were me I'd be there pleading guilty and promising I'd never be such a muppet ever again.

Is an a road a 60MPH limit? (Curious here)

Bepolite

Stheno wrote: »

Is an a road a 60MPH limit? (Curious here)

Probably 70MPH on an A road.

Sorry A road dual carriageway - I think A roads can also be single carriageways and dunno then

ABajaninCork

Stheno wrote: »

Is an a road a 60MPH limit? (Curious here)

Single carriageway - yes. Dual carriageway is usually 70, but sometimes a 60mph limit is imposed. It's down to you to note the speed limits.

If there's a white circle with two black diagonal lines, the national speed limit applies which is 70mph.

Stheno

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Single carriageway - yes. Dual carriageway is usually 70, but sometimes a 60mph limit is imposed. It's down to you to note the speed limits.

If there's a white circle with two black diagonal lines, the national speed limit applies which is 70mph.

Thanks curious both in terms of the OP and when driving on the A1 up North, always thought it was 60mph but from what you've said some of it is 70 They've a red sign with a white line (I think) which restricts it to sixty iirc

At nearly twice the 60mph limit, can't imagine OP will get anything but a ban

Bepolite

Stheno wrote: »

Thanks curious both in terms of the OP and when driving on the A1 up North, always thought it was 60mph but from what you've said some of it is 70 They've a red sign with a white line (I think) which restricts it to sixty iirc

At nearly twice the 60mph limit, can't imagine OP will get anything but a ban

In all honesty the Brits do stick the boot in on the Motorway, I've always found Ireland a bit odd in that regard - although we have the higher 120Kph limit people do tend to hover around the 110 - 130KPH mark with the odd person doing 140.

90MPH wouldn't be beyond the pale on a dry motorway with light traffic and good visibility, but the ton as I say is really not going to end well especially given how much better enforcement is there. I don't know anyone reckless enough to be doing that on an A road. The only possible excuse I might attribute to the OP is not knowing the difference between the two because how similar our roads are outside of Dublin.

more57

Bepolite wrote: »

I was going to say to people not go get on their high horse etc.

Why has that got to count for something? You were doing 106MPH on an A road. Being a total moron on the motorway is one thing, you were punting it down a road where there are potentially pedestrians and cyclists. Hopefully, just hopefully you'll be treated to a bit of prison hospitality.

Far be it for me to suggest anything other than what your solicitor has told you to do but if it were me I'd be there pleading guilty and promising I'd never be such a muppet ever again.

I understand why ur saying I'm a moron I know I am..first time being in trouble like this that's why I put this post up asking for advice. There Is no excuse for the speed..it was a dual carriageway early morning clear road. Anyway I'll just take wat comes and deal with it. I was just curious if anybody on boards has been in a similar situation.

Fred Swanson

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Victor

Stheno wrote: »

Thanks curious both in terms of the OP and when driving on the A1 up North, always thought it was 60mph but from what you've said some of it is 70

30 mph in towns, 60 mph on a single carriageway rural road, 70 mph on a rural dual carriageway, unless otherwise indicated.

They've a red sign with a white line (I think) which restricts it to sixty iirc

This means 'no entry'.


This means 'end of restriction' (primarily speed limits).

Pro Hoc Vice

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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But the Irish Courts must impose the ban here according to section 9 of the 2002 act. http://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/Restatement/First%20Programme%20of%20Restatement/EN_ACT_2002_0012.PDF

Section 9 came into effect by http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2010/en/si/0011.html

Marcusm

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It's effectively an automatic disqualification given that he was more than 30mph above the speed limit. Failing to appear or provide representation may likely involve issuing a warrant for his arrest rather than an adjournment. Plus forfeiture of his £500 bond to attend.

Marcusm

Bepolite wrote: »

Probably 70MPH on an A road.

Sorry A road dual carriageway - I think A roads can also be single carriageways and dunno then

The A55 is, with limited exceptions such as a 50mph restriction around Colwyn Bay, a 70mph road excluding pedestrians and cyclists. It's effectively a motorway in most places. There are very few sections of it on which I'd feel safe doing 106mph (unlike say M6 in Galway) but 85-90mph is fairly standard on that road.

All being said, north Wales police are notorious for enforcing speed restrictions. OP will get a ban and would be best advised to front up and plead his case.

If there were errors on the ticket etc, these could result in it being struck out in the UK but if he has admitted the offence, he may not get a chance to plead other than in mitigation.

RainyDay

Marcusm wrote: »

The A55 is, with limited exceptions such as a 50mph restriction around Colwyn Bay, a 70mph road excluding pedestrians and cyclists. It's effectively a motorway in most places.

That doesn't match my memory of it - lots of sharp-ish bends, tunnels, junctions - long way from motorway quality iirc.

more57

Yeah i was on the last stretch it was straight and clear. Im thinking of representing myself now! Constanly changing my mind! All i or a solicitor can argue is that i need my license for work really so i can argue that myself and just be a very nice person and apoligise and hope for the best!

ABajaninCork

If the beak's in a good mood, you might just get off with a hefty fine. About £800 to a grand. But I wouldn't bet on it, especially as you were ton up.

Marcusm

RainyDay wrote: »

That doesn't match my memory of it - lots of sharp-ish bends, tunnels, junctions - long way from motorway quality iirc.

There are some 70mph tunnels heading westbound and one 30mph stretch on the original road heading eastbound. Otherwise there are 3 roundabouts on the stretch around the headland. These are quite a minor aspect of what is 90 miles of road from Chester approx. They are appropriate to A roads rather than an M-way but most of the road is built to motor way standard.

Bepolite

Marcusm wrote: »

There are some 70mph tunnels heading westbound and one 30mph stretch on the original road heading eastbound. Otherwise there are 3 roundabouts on the stretch around the headland. These are quite a minor aspect of what is 90 miles of road from Chester approx. They are appropriate to A roads rather than an M-way but most of the road is built to motor way standard.

Can they exclude cyclists from an A road? I thought it was only designated motorways.

Fred Swanson

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Marcusm

Bepolite wrote: »

Can they exclude cyclists from an A road? I thought it was only designated motorways.

I can speak only from what I see; there are sections of the A55 with massive green signs in English and Welsh which clearly state this; i assume it applies to sections where those cycling or walking would be subject to undue danger. There are plenty of sections of roads in the UK and Ireland with similar reclusion a - perhaps most obviously tunnels.

godtabh

more57 wrote: »

Yeah i was on the last stretch it was straight and clear. Im thinking of representing myself now! Constanly changing my mind! All i or a solicitor can argue is that i need my license for work really so i can argue that myself and just be a very nice person and apoligise and hope for the best!

why take the risk?

Bepolite

more57 wrote: »

Yeah i was on the last stretch it was straight and clear. Im thinking of representing myself now! Constanly changing my mind! All i or a solicitor can argue is that i need my license for work really so i can argue that myself and just be a very nice person and apoligise and hope for the best!

I'd stick with the solicitor personally

(i) they can be there if you can't (I'm open to correction there) although I'd be there to show how seriously you are taking it.

(ii) It will reinforce how seriously you're treating the matter.

more57

I am going to be there i booked it today. I cant really afford the solicitor thats my main problem. Ill just have to see how it plays out!

RustyNut

more57 wrote: »

I am going to be there i booked it today. I cant really afford the solicitor thats my main problem. Ill just have to see how it plays out!

A solicitor in these situations is usually an investment rather than an expense.

Marcusm

more57 wrote: »

I am going to be there i booked it today. I cant really afford the solicitor thats my main problem. Ill just have to see how it plays out!

What's your mitigation? You can only avoid a van if you can show that it is an "exceptionally harsh" punishment; as I understand it, needing a car to get to work is regularly disregarded and badly pled mitigation can result in a harsher sentence. A local lawyer will know the judge and could be very cheap.

ardmacha

Marcusm wrote: »

A local lawyer will know the judge and could be very cheap.

This. The local guy will know the form for the success or not of particular pleas.

Fred Swanson

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ABajaninCork

OP - You still have a bit of time. You must also know which court you're supposed to be going to. Why don't you call the Citizen's Advice Bureau nearest that court and ask for a recommendation? They normally have a panel of solicitors they use for legal advice.

And the others are right. In your case, a solicitor is a must. And they don't cost as much as you think...