Crew brawl

smurfjed

A passenger plane was evacuated and grounded for six hours after its pilot and a cabin crew member brawled just before the aircraft was scheduled to take off.
The Saudi Arabian Airlines flight was preparing to depart Cairo’s international airport for Medina, Saudi Arabia when an argument between the captain and steward turned violent.
More than 150 passengers were removed from the plane without injury and taken to a transit hall while officials separated the combatants.

Not exactly a good demonstration of CRM

Locker10a

smurfjed wrote: »

Not exactly a good demonstration of CRM

Absolutely shocking and sad to see adults working in aviation behave this way, I wonder was this something similar to the brawl on Air India a few years back, I believe that was an argument over an affair ?!? And yes disastrous CRM

Jack1985

Locker10a wrote: »

Absolutely shocking and sad to see adults working in aviation behave this way, I wonder was this something similar to the brawl on Air India a few years back, I believe that was an argument over an affair ?!? And yes disastrous CRM

Reminds me of a story we were told in training, two American Airlines CC who argued over missing items from the bar - Flight Deck crew thought there was an attempt being made to breach the flight deck and returned to the gate to find the two so entangled in the argument they were ignoring the commander's calls - Never heard what happened to those two! Amazes me that some crews feel its acceptable to argue in-front of pax as well, type of people that shouldn't be in the industry.

bajer101

Saudi law will take care of them. That's the last fist fight either of them will ever participate in again.

KCAccidental

bajer101 wrote: »

Saudi law will take care of them. That's the last fist fight either of them will ever participate in again.

maybe a stump fight.

cml387

Just because you have pilot wings or senior cc doesn't mean you aren't human and so are prone to irrational behaviour.

Locker10a

cml387 wrote: »

Just because you have pilot wings or senior cc doesn't mean you aren't human and so are prone to irrational behaviour.

Well I would say that when you are in a professional role such as the guys involved here were you should be able and willing to refrain from actually resorting to punching your colleagues ! Yes we are all human, and we all get angry sometimes but in the aviation industry where team communication, CRM and ensuring everyone is on good terms with one another is KING actually descending into a brawl on the plane is way, way crossing the line

Strumms

cml387 wrote: »

Just because you have pilot wings or senior cc doesn't mean you aren't human and so are prone to irrational behaviour.

I don't really know any job where you would continue in employment if you ended up in a digging match with a colleague.. id be out on the street in minutes after behaving like that...

bajer101

Strumms wrote: »

I don't really know any job where you would continue in employment if you ended up in a digging match with a colleague.. id be out on the street in minutes after behaving like that...

You would continue in employment in any job in the private sector following that behaviour - just as long as you were making money for the company. But most people who get away with it know the difference between I'd and id....and have a super-ego!

Strumms

bajer101 wrote: »

You would continue in employment in any job in the private sector following that behaviour - just as long as you were making money for the company. But most people who get away with it know the difference between I'd and id....and have a super-ego!

Interesting thoughts... I'd sure like to think that I'd manage to know the difference between I'd and id even when typing on my phone in the back of a cab in Paris being driven by a gentleman with suicidal tendencies

I know of a chap in our job all be it some years ago who was let go for headbutting someone.. then again that was his boss

bajer101

Strumms wrote: »

Interesting thoughts... I'd sure like to think that I'd manage to know the difference between I'd and id even when typing on my phone in the back of a cab in Paris being driven by a gentleman with suicidal tendencies

I know of a chap in our job all be it some years ago who was let go for headbutting someone.. then again that was his boss

I don't usually act the grammar or spelling nazi, but when it comes to aviation I think a higher standard is expected.

*albeit

smurfjed

Saudi law will take care of them

It happened in Egypt!

refrain from actually resorting to punching your colleagues

Who said that anyone was punched? Lots of grabbing and pushing following intimidation, but no punches, although the picture of the Captains face may make people change their stories.

Like most aged old ways, it started because of a beautiful woman

billy few mates

smurfjed wrote: »

It happened in Egypt!

Who said that anyone was punched? Lots of grabbing and pushing following intimidation....

Almost certainly no punches were thrown, I've seen quite a few 'schmozzles' in that part of the world and they fight like girls, lots of slapping, lots of hair pulling, grabbing around the neck, rolling around the floor, plenty of slapping with flip flops, lots of shouting and roaming but never any punches. Quite embarrassing to watch really. I remember being in the food court in a large mall in Dubai when a fight suddenly broke out between two Emirati locals dressed in full immaculate white dish dash. Rather than get involved, the mall security (who were Indians stood back and watched while these two "grown men" rolled around the floor through all the dirt and waste food with men women and children watching them eye gouging, hair pulling and bitch slapping one another
Until they were eventually separated with neither side throwing a single punch. They then dusted themselves down and rejoined their respective queues and continued as if nothing happened, bizarre.....

Tenger

Back in the day I know of many F/O's who wanted to punch Willie Walsh when having pints on a stopover......however the option they all took was to agree with whatever the Captain said.

KnotABother

Funnily enough the only time I have seen 2 crew members brawl was on an MCC course. Though one of them did clearly start it and deserve his beating. He was a bit of a fool and almost started another fist fest in a sim check if what I'm told is correct. I suppose when all else fails a few hooks may be what is required to communicate your intentions!