Shatterday 16th August

Harry Angstrom

Not sure what to make of The Hungerford. It's a poor enough race this year. I'd be all over Gregorian, but he ran a piss poor race at Deauville last week. I get the feeling that Gosden is running him quickly again, only because there aren't many opportunities for an out and out seven furlong horse.

Francie Barrett

Beat me too it, someone kill my other thread.

Bet of the day has to be Clondaw Warrior in the 6:55 at Tramore at 3/1. Horse looked like it might become a star a few years ago when it won a string of bumpers. Since then it's been given a few go's over hurdles but hasn't taken to jumping yet. Today see's it racing on the flat at a basement mark under a new trainer in Willie Mullins. Would say the new owners are looking to make a bit of money with their new purchase taking advantage of the artificially low flat rating before giving the horse another go over the jumps. Think you'll see a lot of support for this one and being a Mullins horse it'll probably go off 6/4 so if anything, it's a nice back to lay.

longshotvalue

3:30 Ripon

Ridiculously tight race where the bookies could have priced everything the same and be done with it. I wanted to go with one on each side and without coming up with anything earth shattering I’ve gone with a couple of my old favourites that may well be hitting a nice mark. Confessional can be competitive of this mark and has a few very good runs lately that read well compared to a few at the top of this market. I’ve also gone with my initial feeling that Hitchens is overpriced and of a very good mark. His 5th in the Scottish Stewards Cup lately read well of this mark and the additional 7lbs off today with the claimer might just bring him into the firing line of this low mark.

1 Point EW 22/1 Coral 5 Places Confessional
1 Point EW 28/1 Coral 5 Places Hitchens

2:50 Ripon
I’m as certain as I could be that Doc Hay will be winning within a very short time and although id have loved a bigger price I’d still be happy with the 14/1 on offer. He has been dropped a bit too far in mark for a few slow starts etc. and with blinkers on today I wouldn’t be surprised to see a return to form.

1 Point win 14/1 Generally

longshotvalue

3:15 Newbury

Pastoral Player has a good course record, some very decent runs lately and Good/Soft over 7 Furlongs here in this smaller field may well be ideal. 8/1 looks very fair and id be annoyed if I wasn’t on after expecting him to go close a few times in big handicaps. He could pick this lot up and carry them if remotely near his best form.

1 Point win 8/1 Generally

Francie Barrett

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Beat me too it, someone kill my other thread.

Bet of the day has to be Clondaw Warrior in the 6:55 at Tramore at 3/1. Horse looked like it might become a star a few years ago when it won a string of bumpers. Since then it's been given a few go's over hurdles but hasn't taken to jumping yet. Today see's it racing on the flat at a basement mark under a new trainer in Willie Mullins. Would say the new owners are looking to make a bit of money with their new purchase taking advantage of the artificially low flat rating before giving the horse another go over the jumps. Think you'll see a lot of support for this one and being a Mullins horse it'll probably go off 6/4 so if anything, it's a nice back to lay.

Timber! 2/1 best price now :pac:

Peintre Celebre

aidankkk wrote: »

3:15 Newbury

Pastoral Player has a good course record, some very decent runs lately and Good/Soft over 7 Furlongs here in this smaller field may well be ideal. 8/1 looks very fair and id be annoyed if I wasn’t on after expecting him to go close a few times in big handicaps. He could pick this lot up and carry them if remotely near his best form.

1 Point win 8/1 Generally

That was an absolutely shocking ride

Andalucia

Godolphin having a Saturday to remember

PizzamanIRL

7:05 Lingfield - Flowing Air

Just passing on info. Apparently she's sent over to England for an 'easy race' to get her first win.

It's only a 6 horse race and I see she's 6/1 on PP

ste2010

Going to give an old boards fabourite a lash copper wood. Visor fitted today and not a bad run LTO - not a flat man but will give this a bit of a punt

Francie Barrett

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Beat me too it, someone kill my other thread.

Bet of the day has to be Clondaw Warrior in the 6:55 at Tramore at 3/1. Horse looked like it might become a star a few years ago when it won a string of bumpers. Since then it's been given a few go's over hurdles but hasn't taken to jumping yet. Today see's it racing on the flat at a basement mark under a new trainer in Willie Mullins. Would say the new owners are looking to make a bit of money with their new purchase taking advantage of the artificially low flat rating before giving the horse another go over the jumps. Think you'll see a lot of support for this one and being a Mullins horse it'll probably go off 6/4 so if anything, it's a nice back to lay.

fcuk me - 8/11 now. Please don't be following a tip of mine at that price.

abarkie

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Timber! 2/1 best price now :pac:

Well done

I asked for evens on Betdaq in running and it never got taken

Francie Barrett

Francie Barrett wrote: »

fcuk me - 8/11 now. Please don't be following a tip of mine at that price.

A circuit out I knew it was going to be a winner.

jimjamcos

Wasn't on but Great stuff Francie! They'll make hay with him over hurdles now.

abarkie

jimjamcos wrote: »

Wasn't on but Great stuff Francie! They'll make hay with him over hurdles now.

Won't they "reasses" the handicap mark?

Straffan1979

Francie Barrett wrote: »

fcuk me - 8/11 now. Please don't be following a tip of mine at that price.

Tip of the hat to ye! Fair play lad

BumperD

That was 5\1 this morning. Nice one Francie.

abarkie

BumperD wrote: »

That was 5\1 this morning. Nice one Francie.

2 Non Runners?

Rule 4?

BumperD

abarkie wrote: »

2 Non Runners?

Rule 4?

Didn't notice, only saw it as a mover on oddschecker. If there were non runners at 14\1 or lower yes r4, BTW I didn't back him.

BorneTobyWilde

Born To Fly 14-1 ew 7.35
Me like

abarkie

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Born To Fly 14-1 ew 7.35
Me like

So close!

So near the off time too!!

BorneTobyWilde

abarkie wrote: »

So close!

So near the off time too!!

8-1 though.
I was looking at 14-1 early.
I didn't back it either way.

jimjamcos

abarkie wrote: »

Won't they "reasses" the handicap mark?

Not over hurdles, different code.

Peintre Celebre

Nasty incident at Tramore this evening. Karen Kenny unconscious for several minutes after a bad fall having clipped heels in the opening maiden. Airlifted to hospital for a brain scan touch wood all is ok.

jimjamcos

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Nasty incident at Tramore this evening. Karen Kenny unconscious for several minutes after a bad fall having clipped heels in the opening maiden. Airlifted to hospital for a brain scan touch wood all is ok.

Was reported as semi conscious at the track. Think air ambulance was a precaution.

DylanAFC

Anyone fancy anything in the states tonight?

FIVE2_THREE

DylanAFC wrote: »

Anyone fancy anything in the states tonight?

Just bet the horse with the best drugs in it

jimjamcos

DylanAFC wrote: »

Anyone fancy anything in the states tonight?

jennifer lawrence

Howjoe1

backed The Pizza Man but cant get result.

Francie Barrett

Adelaide being backed off the boards. Have actually managed to get a few shekels on the second favourite if only for a bit of interest.

FIVE2_THREE

ADELAIDE JUST SMASHED THE AMERICAN

Francie Barrett

How easy was that for Adelaide? The field had no class whatsoever in it.

mailburner

Howjoe1 wrote: »

backed The Pizza Man but cant get result.

no idea of odds but it won

Francie Barrett

Really like Smoking Sun at 5/1 in the Arlington Million. You always have the worry that French horses don't travel, but going by the last run that this one had in Kranji, most of that concern should go away. When you strip out this horse's form over the softer ground, you see a horse that should be very competitive here. Don't see how Real Solution can repeat its victory here last year, it didn't look an especially strong race. Same goes for Side Glance - it went well here last year but on form it should just struggle for speed to close out this race. Finnegans Wake is one from the field that could run well though. Has a great record over course and distance, think it might very well run my favourite close.

Francie Barrett

fcuk me - Ryan Moore again. I was watching that and thinking he had left it too late, but he had loads of horse under him and just powered home. Really made Dettori look like a rank amateur.

bellybuster12

Well done ryan moore, great clock in that race. Frankie and Jamie will cringe watching that again.

DylanAFC

Magician beaten.

bellybuster12

DylanAFC wrote: »

Magician beaten.

Looked like little early pace so kinda made it, set the the winner up nicely. Still a good effort from Magician.

FIVE2_THREE

As an American now living in Europe I sure hope that one day European horsemen will understand that outside of the Breeders Cup where they have extreme testing practices in place it's going to be hard to win those big group one races. not just because you're shipping horses in from over seas and it takes 3 days to clear quarantine. but also in the states you are facing horses who are on drugs that are undetectable and some that they don't even test for

tryfix

FIVE2_THREE wrote: »

As an American now living in Europe I sure hope that one day European horsemen will understand that outside of the Breeders Cup where they have extreme testing practices inU place it's going to be hard to win those big group one races. not just because you're shipping horses in from over seas and it takes 3 days to clear quarantine. but also in the states you are facing horses who are on drugs that are undetectable and some that they don't even test for

One problem there, the two European horses that did win tonight and the fact that the Arlington Million winner beat the moderate Side Glance by just 2 1/4 lengths.

If you can’t send a 10f horse over that can put more than 2 1/4l between itself and Side Glance then you deserve your beating.

FIVE2_THREE

tryfix wrote: »

One problem there, the two European horses that did win tonight and the fact that the Arlington Million winner beat the moderate Side Glance by just 2 1/4 lengths.

If you can’t send a 10f horse over that can put more than 2 1/4l between itself and Side Glance then you deserve your beating.

I have no dog in the fight but I will say this. the top trainers in America are also the top drug offenders and violators. Euro horses are not running against the horses they are running against the drugs. 98% of the horses in the states on any given day run on lasix. it is impossible for every horse to be a bleeder.take a look at the winner of the Arlington million. do you really think on an even playing field with no lasix, bute or any other drug involved do you think that horse would beat Magician ? take a look at the races and meeting around the world. No American horses show up at the Curragh, longchamp, Dueville,Epsom,Tokyo and the like. Sure Animal Kingdom was in the Queen Anne but as you see He was thrashed. if those meeting allowed Drugs. American horses would be flooding the entry box.

FIVE2_THREE

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/sports/04racing.html

paddyisreal

FIVE2_THREE wrote: »

I have no dog in the fight but I will say this. the top trainers in America are also the top drug offenders and violators. Euro horses are not running against the horses they are running against the drugs. 98% of the horses in the states on any given day run on lasix. it is impossible for every horse to be a bleeder.take a look at the winner of the Arlington million. do you really think on an even playing field with no lasix, bute or any other drug involved do you think that horse would beat Magician ? take a look at the races and meeting around the world. No American horses show up at the Curragh, longchamp, Dueville,Epsom,Tokyo and the like. Sure Animal Kingdom was in the Queen Anne but as you see He was thrashed. if those meeting allowed Drugs. American horses would be flooding the entry box.

Animal Kingdom was running on a straight track for the first time but at least they brought the horse over and tried unlike frankel and few other chanpions who beat the same horses and never came out of there comfort zone.plenty of international horses turn up in france for the arc .the reason they do not turn up in the curragh is because it is irrelevant on the international scene. Prize money in europe is crap also so why bother ?

tryfix

FIVE2_THREE wrote: »

I have no dog in the fight but I will say this. the top trainers in America are also the top drug offenders and violators. Euro horses are not running against the horses they are running against the drugs. 98% of the horses in the states on any given day run on lasix. it is impossible for every horse to be a bleeder.take a look at the winner of the Arlington million. do you really think on an even playing field with no lasix, bute or any other drug involved do you think that horse would beat Magician ? take a look at the races and meeting around the world. No American horses show up at the Curragh, longchamp, Dueville,Epsom,Tokyo and the like. Sure Animal Kingdom was in the Queen Anne but as you see He was thrashed. if those meeting allowed Drugs. American horses would be flooding the entry box.

I'm well aware of what Lasix can do and quoted below is the reason that Hardest Core could beat the other horses.

The study found that Lasix made horses run faster whether or not they had bleeding problems. Those most affected by the drug were older geldings, who tend to be the hardest-raced horses in the sport and those with the most physical problems.
Using three different speed-handicapping methods to gauge how much faster horses could run a mile after being treated with Lasix, the study found an improvement of from .07 to 0.1 seconds in colts; from 0.42 to 0.79 seconds in fillies and from 1.08 to 1.60 seconds in geldings.
There are roughly six horse lengths to a second, so the improvement in geldings translates to about six to nine lengths at a mile.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/04/sports/study-says-lasix-improves-a-horse-s-speed-but-not-its-health.html

My point still stands, that unless the 7 year old gelding Side Glance raced on Lasix or something else that Magician wasn't on, then a 1 1/4l beating of him was not Magician's A game.


You don't have to look to the US for drugs in horse racing or sport in general. It's all business, if it can't be detected, isn't illegal or can be masked or covered up it will be used.

It's different racing and different breeding, but there are overlaps and the Europeans with their vastly superior turf bloodstock are quite capable of competing with the US but only on grounds where they're equally matched.

FIVE2_THREE

paddyisreal wrote: »

Animal Kingdom was running on a straight track for the first time but at least they brought the horse over and tried unlike frankel and few other chanpions who beat the same horses and never came out of there comfort zone.plenty of international horses turn up in france for the arc .the reason they do not turn up in the curragh is because it is irrelevant on the international scene. Prize money in europe is crap also so why bother ?

I didn't say international horses. I specifically said American horses. the prize money is crap in Europe ? the Euro and Pound are more valuable than the Dollar. America is a capitalist society so there for they should be jumping to run here in Europe. If you despise European racing so much may I suggest that you sever your ties immediately.

FIVE2_THREE

tryfix wrote: »

I'm well aware of what Lasix can do and quoted below is the reason that Hardest Core could beat the other horses.



http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/04/sports/study-says-lasix-improves-a-horse-s-speed-but-not-its-health.html

My point still stands, that unless the 7 year old gelding Side Glance raced on Lasix or something else that Magician wasn't on, then a 1 1/4l beating of him was not Magician's A game.


You don't have to look to the US for drugs in horse racing or sport in general. It's all business, if it can't be detected, isn't illegal or can be masked or covered up it will be used.

It's different racing and different breeding, but there are overlaps and the Europeans with their vastly superior turf bloodstock are quite capable of competing with the US but only on grounds where they're equally matched.

The list I provided shows that the top trainers In the States are also the biggest drug Violators. you can call it a business and it is. but it is also a sport. a sport where Drugs play a big part. each jurisdiction has different rules. some allow certain drugs on race day and others don't. lasix is universally accepted in the states on race day.