German Left Lane Hogging

keithclancy

Everyone always points at "zee germans" and their ability to keep right



Not always ....
Having to slow down for all the numpties trying to overtake each other and then loolaas swerving in and whooring up the right hand lane.

BreadnBuddha

Maybe they were overtaking a line of Irish fellas who were driving at 80kph, thinking they were in artics and driving with convoy braking space!

pa990

meanwhile in Ireland

BMJD

pa990 wrote: »

meanwhile in Ireland

wouldn't be tolerated in Germany, typical Irish drivers wah wah wahhh!!!

Chris_Heilong

You will have a German on any minute now to telling you these are all foreign cars just driving through Germany.:P

Phil_Lives

and how many articulated lorries were behind you when you took that picture or ahead of you around the bend?
There would be reason why all those drivers are in the overtaking lane outside of lane hogging.

_Kaiser_

pa990 wrote: »

meanwhile in Ireland

That does look eerily like the M7 alright!

Marcusm

keithclancy wrote: »

Everyone always points at "zee germans" and their ability to keep right



Not always ....
Having to slow down for all the numpties trying to overtake each other and then loolaas swerving in and whooring up the right hand lane.

They're all Irish expats keeping left the way they are used to doing at home. Oh no, that can't be correct"

keithclancy

Phil_Lives wrote: »

and how many articulated lorries were behind you when you took that picture or ahead of you around the bend?
There would be reason why all those drivers are in the overtaking lane outside of lane hogging.

Your post makes no sense. :pac:

ewj1978

STOP! you cant take the mick outta our German overlords.

they'll raise taxes again

MetzgerMeister

Zeez are foreign (mainly irisch) owtomobilez jast driving sthrough Germanny

corktina

don't mention the war!

Hidden Cyclone

I've never driven in Germany but have been driven (mainly taxis from Munich airport). Lane discipline isn't always the greatest. Ditto other foreign countries I've actually driven in (UK, Spain, Italy)

While in my experience it's nowhere near as bad as Ireland they're certainly not the foreign utopias that I sometimes see painted on here

Nekarsulm

Only drove in Germany once, from Hannover down to Mainz and then across to Luxemburg. I found that staying in the left lane for any time more than was strictly necessary would get you a flash from a set of Hella's, about 400 meters back, and then a Whoosh! as some guy or gal passed doing 150kph more than I was.

I was driving a 1990's VW campervan at the time

dr.fuzzenstein

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Only drove in Germany once, from Hannover down to Mainz and then across to Luxemburg. I found that staying in the left lane for any time more than was strictly necessary would get you a flash from a set of Hella's, about 400 meters back, and then a Whoosh! as some guy or gal passed doing 150kph more than I was.

I was driving a 1990's VW campervan at the time

I do remember driving on the Autobahn (not sure where that was now, somewhere on the A6 between Heilbronn and Stuttgart) in my POS 1.6 diesel Escort breadvan.
I did manage to get it up to 160 km/h after about 100 km when I saw headlamps appear on the horizon behind me. From the moment of them appearing behind me to the taillights disappearing ahead of me must have been less that 10 seconds. I reckon the guy must have done close or bang on 300 km/h. Something else.
As a sidenote:
A lot of accidents where caused after the fall of the wall by Trabants pulling out in front of drivers like that driving at ~100 km/h and the other guy doing 240-260 km/h, you can calculate the speed difference yourself...

Phil_Lives

keithclancy wrote: »

Your post makes no sense. :pac:

Your picture doesn't show the articulated truck in the outside lane around the bend which been in the process of ever so gradually overtaking another lorry for the last few kilometers which would explain the queue of cars waiting patiently to proceed in the outer lane.
There is no comparisson in the quantity of articulated lorries on Autobahns and the Irish Motorways. On certain stretches the lorries are prohibited from overtaking so that the cars can make good progress.
That's not lane-hogging, that is a queue.

RustyNut

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

A lot of accidents where caused after the fall of the wall by Trabants pulling out in front of drivers like that driving at ~100 km/h and the other guy doing 240-260 km/h, you can calculate the speed difference yourself...

Not only Trabants.

CiniO

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I do remember driving on the Autobahn (not sure where that was now, somewhere on the A6 between Heilbronn and Stuttgart) in my POS 1.6 diesel Escort breadvan.
I did manage to get it up to 160 km/h after about 100 km when I saw headlamps appear on the horizon behind me. From the moment of them appearing behind me to the taillights disappearing ahead of me must have been less that 10 seconds. I reckon the guy must have done close or bang on 300 km/h. Something else.
As a sidenote:
A lot of accidents where caused after the fall of the wall by Trabants pulling out in front of drivers like that driving at ~100 km/h and the other guy doing 240-260 km/h, you can calculate the speed difference yourself...

Did guys on the east side, never had fast cars? Was it only Trabants and Wartburgs?
And as a result drivers of those trabants or wartburgs, were not used to someone passing at 250km/h ?

dr.fuzzenstein

CiniO wrote: »

Did guys on the east side, never had fast cars? Was it only Trabants and Wartburgs?
And as a result drivers of those trabants or wartburgs, were not used to someone passing at 250km/h ?

Well, state executives might have driven a Volga, but really 90% of people would have indeed driven Trabbis and Wartburg and there would have been a few Ladas and skodas about the place, but no one would have had anything that exceeded 200. And I hear the speed limit was 100 and it was harshly enforced.
You should know though...

Nekarsulm

A mate got a job in the former East, just after the wall came down. He was working in a piggery at the time here in Kildare, and the piggery owners went over to see about buying a state owned pig unit over there. Near Brandenburg, Castle shaven, or something like that. The two Irish boys drove over, in their new brand VW Passat (1990). Negotiations were not going well, with the State Official (lady) driving a very hard bargain. However a very advantageous price was agreed, as long as the Passat was thrown in. The two boys shook hands on it, and ordered a Taxi back to the airport
My mate was given a company Sierra while he was there, and found the driving "challenging", given that a lot of the roads were in poor repair, and all the markings had long worn off them. Every one was getting Deutschmarks in a straight swop for their East German Marks, and flocked to the west buying Golf's etc. Trabbis etc. were just abandoned on the street side and in gardens etc.

CiniO

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, state executives might have driven a Volga, but really 90% of people would have indeed driven Trabbis and Wartburg and there would have been a few Ladas and skodas about the place, but no one would have had anything that exceeded 200. And I hear the speed limit was 100 and it was harshly enforced.

So there was no "no limit" on autobahn on the east side?

You should know though...

Well I was 8 when Berlin wall was demolished - I can't remember much from that times, and tbh affairs in Eastern Germany were far from my interests then. At those times I was more concerned about BMX riding and playing Atari games
However my parents bought a Trabant in 1990. It was brand new, and they decided it's not much more expensive than Fiat 126 while much superior, so they are going to go for it. It was however upgraded version (last batch) with 1.1 VW engine.
They drove it until 1997 and it did the job well until they switched for cinquecento

keithclancy

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Your picture doesn't show the articulated truck in the outside lane around the bend which been in the process of ever so gradually overtaking another lorry for the last few kilometers which would explain the queue of cars waiting patiently to proceed in the outer lane.
There is no comparisson in the quantity of articulated lorries on Autobahns and the Irish Motorways. On certain stretches the lorries are prohibited from overtaking so that the cars can make good progress.
That's not lane-hogging, that is a queue.

No there was no truck, its always like that, I drive that road every day.

Besides, even if there was its still not allowed. It reduces the capacity of the road by half.

Why does this forum invent fictional scenarios?

Phil_Lives

keithclancy wrote: »

No there was no truck, its always like that, I drive that road every day.

Besides, even if there was its still not allowed. It reduces the capacity of the road by half.

Why does this forum invent fictional scenarios?

Not fictional, yours might be though. I drive German Autobahns everyday and I suggest you look up the German phrase which translates directly as "Elephant Running".

porsche959

keithclancy wrote: »

Everyone always points at "zee germans" and their ability to keep right



Not always ....
Having to slow down for all the numpties trying to overtake each other and then loolaas swerving in and whooring up the right hand lane.

Must agree the tendency of many on this forum to assume English, German, etc, drivers are absolute sticklers for the rules of the road compared to Irish is pretty wrong-headed.

keithclancy

Phil_Lives wrote: »

Not fictional, yours might be though. I drive German Autobahns everyday and I suggest you look up the German phrase which translates directly as "Elephant Running".

There was no truck. At that time of the day overtaking is forbidden for trucks anyway.

But you were there right ?

Phil_Lives

keithclancy wrote: »

There was no truck. At that time of the day overtaking is forbidden for trucks anyway.

But you were there right ?

No, why would I want to be up north? It's grim and overcast up there. All people do all day is complain.

RustyNut

porsche959 wrote: »

Must agree the tendency of many on this forum to assume English, German, etc, drivers are absolute sticklers for the rules of the road compared to Irish is pretty wrong-headed.

They have two big advantages, First is better driver training and we are catching up on that score, the second is enforcement, they have some we don't.

keithclancy

RustyNut wrote: »

They have two big advantages, First is better driver training and we are catching up on that score, the second is enforcement, they have some we don't.

You still have complete lunatics, no training will ever fix that.

The nutters that zoom past at 250km/h, swerve in front of you and then slam on the brakes because they've misjudged where their exit it.

The guys that drive at 200km/h plus that zooms right up to someones bumper while their in the middle of overtaking at 40 over the speed limit and proceed to drive right up to the bumper of every single car in front of them flashing their lights (one day I say a "Follow me" sign pop up, would liked to have heard that conversation)

The people that pull out just to stop you overtaking because otherwise they would have to adjust their speed to let you pass.

Also everyone drives 20 over the speed limit because the fine is minimal.

Driving in Ireland is much more relaxed IMO, on the Autobahn there's always this sense of urgency to get places when all the end up doing is whooring 300 km/h for a few minutes straight into a traffic jam where you meetup with them a minutes later.

RustyNut

keithclancy wrote: »

You still have complete lunatics, no training will ever fix that.

The nutters that zoom past at 250km/h, swerve in front of you and then slam on the brakes because they've misjudged where their exit it.

The guys that drive at 200km/h plus that zooms right up to someones bumper while their in the middle of overtaking at 40 over the speed limit and proceed to drive right up to the bumper of every single car in front of them flashing their lights (one day I say a "Follow me" sign pop up, would liked to have heard that conversation)

The people that pull out just to stop you overtaking because otherwise they would have to adjust their speed to let you pass.

Also everyone drives 20 over the speed limit because the fine is minimal.

Driving in Ireland is much more relaxed IMO, on the Autobahn there's always this sense of urgency to get places when all the end up doing is whooring 300 km/h for a few minutes straight into a traffic jam where you meetup with them a minutes later.

Oh I know their not perfect I drove trucks there for years, some of the big mercs and beemers etc that would pass you going flat out would shake a fully loaded 40 tonner, and when it goes wrong it goes well wrong but in general they are much more disciplined and predictable drivers.

Leonard Hofstadter

porsche959 wrote: »

Must agree the tendency of many on this forum to assume English, German, etc, drivers are absolute sticklers for the rules of the road compared to Irish is pretty wrong-headed.

Can't speak for the Germans, but the English are considerably better than the Irish for lane discipline on motorways. They also drive much quicker on the motorways when conditions permit, you'll be left for dead doing the legal 70 mph if it's reasonably empty. In saying that there's no shortage of middle lane hoggers over there as well, and they're desperate for pulling right out in front of you from side junctions in towns:(, the Irish are much more likely to wait until there's a decent 'gap' in the traffic before pulling out of a junction.

The Aussies are also dreadful for lane discipline but then again all they care about is speeding, ridiculous the way they go on over there, especially as the motorway limits are so low (110 kph max unless you're in NT, and forget about going even 1 kph over as you'll be done for it as they are so OTT about anything to do with Health and Safety over there) :mad:. The Yanks also haven't a clue, but at least they have the excuse of no 'keep left' (or in their case, right) rule so you are allowed drive in whatever lane you fancy on their motorways (highways). Compared to countries like Malaysia, the Irish are like saints in comparison.

uck51js9zml2yt

I drove in Slovakia last month and found lane discipline excellent.

RustyNut

Winter Petite Baker wrote: »

I drove in Slovakia last month and found lane discipline excellent.

Probably a little enforcement going on there so.

MetzgerMeister

RustyNut wrote: »

Probably a little enforcement going on there so.

Or because Feckarse industries are supplying glasses for these people and they can see properly :pac:

dr.fuzzenstein

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Or because Feckarse industries are supplying glasses for these people and they can see properly :pac:

Check out their website:
http://www.feckarse-industries.com/

Dartz

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Check out their website:
http://www.feckarse-industries.com/

If yours corporate website requires flash to display anything of relevance.... you deserve nothing but death.


Wait a minute.....

0lddog

ist einfach:

links : deutschen

rechts : ausländer

Alanstrainor

Just back from Germany, covered 1200KMs...Germans aren't as saintly as made out on here. But overall not much complaints to be made...

dr.fuzzenstein

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Just back from Germany, covered 1200KMs...Germans aren't as saintly as made out on here. But overall not much complaints to be made...

On a lot of my holiday I would hire a car and drive around, covering quite some distances. Germany, France, Italy and a few more.
Normally it is all fine with no complaints. You know you're back in Ireland if someone does something to piss you off within 5 minutes of getting behind the wheel...

John_Rambo

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Just back from Germany, covered 1200KMs...Germans aren't as saintly as made out on here. But overall not much complaints to be made...

Portugal is the same. Lots of left lane hoggers. Yet you'll constantly read "nowhere else in Europe would you see..." On boards!

Sobanek

I've driven through Germany on Wednesday and tbh didn't see any of that!

I was driving on three lane motorways though.

Packrat

I drove in Cairo once....which was nice....

MetzgerMeister

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Just back from Germany, covered 1200KMs...Germans aren't as saintly as made out on here. But overall not much complaints to be made...

Halt die klappe! Auf der Schafott mit dir!!!

dr.fuzzenstein

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Halt die klappe! Auf der Schafott mit dir!!!

Das Schafott!

MetzgerMeister

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Das Schafott!

Das? Oh mein Gott Fick!