11D0000

PyeContinental

Anyone ever seen this car before and know why it might have these plates?
Just curious to know if there might be a legitimate reason for them. They looked like they had been on the car for a while (perhaps even three years).

Toyotafanboi

i'd say it's a UK import for sale that the garage hasn't registered for Irish plates yet, so they just stick that generic plate on to make the car look complete and show the customer at a glance what year it is. and you got a picture of it out on a test drive. i could be wrong though.

Drummerboy08

Can just about make out a trade plate in the window, its an unregistered import.

PyeContinental

Yeah, that sounds like a likely theory, Toyotafanboi.
And Drummerboy, I hadn't spotted them, but I think you're probably right that those are trade plates on the bottom left of the rear window.

bladespin

Surely that's illegal?

Drummerboy08

bladespin wrote: »

Surely that's illegal?

Not with trade plates displayed.

CiniO

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Not with trade plates displayed.

Are the trade plates not to be displayed instead of original reg plate not together.
Especially if original reg plate shows the number which 1. does not exist 2. does not belong to the car?

coylemj

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Not with trade plates displayed.

It's legal provided the car is being used in connection with the motor trade which for a car like that (not in for repair/service) means a test drive with a prospective buyer but my money says the sales guy is driving it home for lunch so it would be illegal.

bladespin

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Not with trade plates displayed.

coylemj wrote: »

It's legal provided the car is being used in connection with the motor trade which for a car like that (not in for repair/service) means a test drive with a prospective buyer but my money says the sales guy is driving it home for lunch so it would be illegal.

Trade plates or not I'd imagine driving any car on the road with a false number plate would be illegal, I've used 'show' plates on bikes before but they're definitely not road legal.

Daved_XB

I was in Beshoff's motors in Howth this week & nearly all of the cars where 11D0000 or 12D0000 plated

PrettyBoy

bladespin wrote: »

Trade plates or not I'd imagine driving any car on the road with a false number plate would be illegal, I've used 'show' plates on bikes before but they're definitely not road legal.

It's used by dealers on recent imports to show what year the car is. As this is Ireland, 90% of the customers walking through the forecourt will instinctively look straight at the reg plate to see the year of the car as that's the most important thing to most buyers.

djimi

coylemj wrote: »

It's legal provided the car is being used in connection with the motor trade which for a car like that (not in for repair/service) means a test drive with a prospective buyer but my money says the sales guy is driving it home for lunch so it would be illegal.

Surely it would be illegal as a speed camera/toll booth etc would pick up the fake plate and not the trade plate? I know its only a test drive so not much of an issue, but in theory anyway the car should not be on a public road with fake plates?

mgbgt1978

CiniO wrote: »

Are the trade plates not to be displayed instead of original reg plate not together.
Especially if original reg plate shows the number which 1. does not exist 2. does not belong to the car?

No Cinio, Trade plates are to be displayed in both front and rear windows (and the original plates should also be on the car, if it's registered in Ireland).

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1992/en/si/0409.html#zzsi409y1992a7

Surprised that someone with your knowledge of the Irish Statute Books was unaware of this

coylemj

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's used by dealers on recent imports to show what year the car is. As this is Ireland, 90% of the customers walking through the forecourt will instinctively look straight at the reg plate to see the year of the car as that's the most important thing to most buyers.

Unless it's a Merc. showroom in which case all of the secondhand cars will have 'Star Select' plates so you can't tell what year they are.

Drummerboy08

coylemj wrote: »

It's legal provided the car is being used in connection with the motor trade which for a car like that (not in for repair/service) means a test drive with a prospective buyer but my money says the sales guy is driving it home for lunch so it would be illegal.

Why would you think that? Is there anything at all in that photo to suggest the salesman is going home for food? My experience of any Dublin based Audi dealers is the salesmen barely get 20 minutes for food because it's a constant go in the place.

A Trade plate essentially supersedes the number plate on the car, so it doesn't really make a difference what is on it. If it was still on it's original UK plates, E-Flow/Speed cameras would have just as hard a problem finding out where it belongs to.

bladespin

PrettyBoy wrote: »

It's used by dealers on recent imports to show what year the car is. As this is Ireland, 90% of the customers walking through the forecourt will instinctively look straight at the reg plate to see the year of the car as that's the most important thing to most buyers.

I know what they're used for and have no problem with that but you're surely supposed to remove them before going onto the road.

Drummerboy08

bladespin wrote: »

I know what they're used for and have no problem with that but you're surely supposed to remove them before going onto the road.

I've never had any problems with the boys in blue while using trade plates and BMW Premium Select plates at the same time.

bladespin

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I've never had any problems with the boys in blue while using trade plates and BMW Premium Select plates at the same time.

Not questioning the gardai, just whether it's legal?

Drummerboy08

bladespin wrote: »

Not questioning the gardai, just whether it's legal?

Well surely if it was illegal, the Gardai would have an issue with it?!

bladespin

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Well surely if it was illegal, the Gardai would have an issue with it?!

Not sure they'd be too bothered, hardly murder to be fair but pretty sure the number plate laws are fairly rigid.

Del2005

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Well surely if it was illegal, the Gardai would have an issue with it?!

Once your not exceeding the posted limit or DUI our Gardaí are pretty useless with enforcing our motoring laws.

There's no way a car can be legally on the road with the plates from the OP, it either needs it's UK plate or none if it's brand new to be legal.

ION08

I've no problem with 0000 plates but there's a dealer on Naas road that uses "fake" plates such as 10-D-2010, 11-D-2011 etc. to take pictures and advertise his cars.

I know these are just to display the years but they are actual plates that already belong to existing vehicles.

If i was the real owner of those plates I'd be having none of it!!

_Kaiser_

ION08 wrote: »

I've no problem with 0000 plates but there's a dealer on Naas road that uses "fake" plates such as 10-D-2010, 11-D-2011 etc. to take pictures and advertise his cars.

I know these are just to display the years but they are actual plates that already belong to existing vehicles.

If i was the real owner of those plates I'd be having none of it!!

:rolleyes: That explains everything really!

Fully agree with you though.

ION08

ION08 wrote: »

I've no problem with 0000 plates but there's a dealer on Naas road that uses "fake" plates such as 10-D-2010, 11-D-2011 etc. to take pictures and advertise his cars.

I know these are just to display the years but they are actual plates that already belong to existing vehicles.

If i was the real owner of those plates I'd be having none of it!!

Here he is advertising a Passat CC with 11-D-2011, plates which actually belong to someones Renault Megane!

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Volkswagen/Passat-CC/170-bhp-/57414038702374970/advert?channel=CARS

https://www.cartell.ie/ssl/servlet/beginStarLookup?registration=11d2011

Would love to ring him pretending to be the rightfull owner of that reg and give him an earful.

:rolleyes: