Camera at the Ringside IFJ

Farmer Pudsey

Each week at the back of the Rag there is a camera at the ringside. it would be interesting I think if we started an opinion coloum on it. Finishers could givein an opinion if they could make a profit on that animal. If weanling suckler farmer could give an analysis if this animal left a profit and the same with store producers.

Idea way is to count pictures top left is No1, top right No2 and so on until bottom left is No 7 and Right is No 8.


I start with this week however in general would not deal with these type of cattle.

No 1 Bull 502kgs @ 1050 margin would depend a lot on March base price woulnot buy him
No2 [EMAIL="heifer376@890"]heifer376 @ 890[/EMAIL] would be slow to look at her but possible margin if very strong price next June
No3 heifers [EMAIL="369@775"]369 @ 775[/EMAIL] same as No2 but I would expect a bit better margin
No4 Heifers [EMAIL="342@770"]342 @ 770[/EMAIL] Would need a strong beef price late next year too leave a good margin would not buy
No5 Bull [EMAIL="289@950"]289 @ 950[/EMAIL] If I bough him I would lose a lot of money
No6 Bulls 451 @1020 would only cover costs at best and need a strong price over 4.2/KG at christmass to break even
No7 [EMAIL="Bull460@ 1050"]Bull460 @ 1050[/EMAIL] musch the same as No6
No8 Heifer [EMAIL="325@745"]325@745[/EMAIL] Would need a strong beef price late next year too leave a good margin would not buy

blue5000

Looks like there are more optimistic farmers than you out round the ring pudsey.

Robson99

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Each week at the back of the Rag there is a camera at the ringside. it would be interesting I think if we started an opinion coloum on it. Finishers could givein an opinion if they could make a profit on that animal. If weanling suckler farmer could give an analysis if this animal left a profit and the same with store producers.

You cant judge cattle or say whether they are value or not based on a bad picture in the paper. End off. I'm out

trixi2011

No5 Bull 289 @ 950 If I bough him I would lose a lot of money
would you think he was snapped up for export ?

mf240

Farmers with grass are about as sensible as students smoking grass. And seem to lose their short term memory in a similar fashion.

onyerbikepat

trixi2011 wrote: »

No5 Bull 289 @ 950 If I bough him I would lose a lot of money
would you think he was snapped up for export ?

If you fed him on to over 400 Kgs, he might make more profit than any of them. A right good one for export.

_Brian

trixi2011 wrote: »

No5 Bull 289 @ 950 If I bough him I would lose a lot of money
would you think he was snapped up for export ?

onyerbikepat wrote: »

If you fed him on to over 400 Kgs, he might make more profit than any of them. A right good one for export.

From the perspective of the weanling producer I presume this style of stock has left some profit.. Maybe a smidge over €200 from my rough sums.

The Letheram

trixi2011 wrote: »

No5 Bull 289 @ 950 If I bough him I would lose a lot of money
would you think he was snapped up for export ?

Don't understand a lad selling at 289kg on this type of stock. I reckon at this stage each kilo gain cost roughly €1.30. That animal is €3 a kilo up to 430kg. An extra €200 profit for the farmer here by holding and putting on the weight imo.

Kovu

The Letheram wrote: »

Don't understand a lad selling at 289kg on this type of stock. I reckon at this stage each kilo gain cost roughly €1.30. That animal is €3 a kilo up to 430kg. An extra €200 profit for the farmer here by holding and putting on the weight imo.

Looking at the journal he was born Jan this year, we can only speculate if he got any feeding etc other than grass.

If I had the option of taking him out to a show sale day where I would expect exporters to be paying top quids for quality or keeping him and feeding him for another couple of months but chancing my arm on prices falling and exporters leaving behind heavy stock I'd be doing the same as his owner did there and sell him on.

However I'd also be taking into account our soft land/dam being 3 months off calving again/blues bad feet.

Farmer Pudsey

Robson99 wrote: »

You cant judge cattle or say whether they are value or not based on a bad picture in the paper. End off. I'm out

Robson you learn as much from the boards in a mart as looking at the animal. The reality is that beef is a commodity at present as are these cattle. Take the first bull on first sight he looks value, he has good weight for age, look a good fleshy animal compared to bulls in picture No 6 however you are limited in taht at present factory's are limiting him on age and weight. Going for the high priced june market will bring him over 16 months and March is a bad time to sell bull. In reality it a waste squeezing him. The most viable will be the Christmas market. I thing he would kill a max of 380 kgs and at 4.2/kg will just be shy of 1600 euro. However I am not sure how realistic that is.

The bulls in picture no 6 are lighter but are also cattle taht will struggle to exit out of FS2= before 400+kgs so will struggle to attract a premium price in the factory.

jt65

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Robson you learn as much from the boards in a mart as looking at the animal. The reality is that beef is a commodity at present as are these cattle. Take the first bull on first sight he looks value, he has good weight for age, look a good fleshy animal compared to bulls in picture No 6 however you are limited in taht at present factory's are limiting him on age and weight. Going for the high priced june market will bring him over 16 months and March is a bad time to sell bull. In reality it a waste squeezing him. The most viable will be the Christmas market. I thing he would kill a max of 380 kgs and at 4.2/kg will just be shy of 1600 euro. However I am not sure how realistic that is.

The bulls in picture no 6 are lighter but are also cattle taht will struggle to exit out of FS2= before 400+kgs so will struggle to attract a premium price in the factory.

as some one said looking at pics in the comic is no way to judge a beast

don't usually buy it but wanted to see the sheep ads this week

anyhow you have his price incorrect by €100 so all your calculations are askew

Farmer Pudsey

jt65 wrote: »

as some one said looking at pics in the comic is no way to judge a beast

don't usually buy it but wanted to see the sheep ads this week

anyhow you have his price incorrect by €100 so all your calculations are askew

That even makes it worse, you are right 1150 was the price. When buying cattle, especially cattle that you finish over the winter, you have to buy a pen that is 10-15 of them, I worked off 1150 orginally just because I made a mistake off on the orginal post changes little. Instead of just judging give a reasoned opinion. it is east to be critical when you fail to back up an analysis.


maybe my mistake is being willing to put an opinion out there and opening it to critical analysis. Too may sit on the fence and do not engage

The Letheram

.Kovu. wrote: »

Looking at the journal he was born Jan this year, we can only speculate if he got any feeding etc other than grass.

If I had the option of taking him out to a show sale day where I would expect exporters to be paying top quids for quality or keeping him and feeding him for another couple of months but chancing my arm on prices falling and exporters leaving behind heavy stock I'd be doing the same as his owner did there and sell him on.

However I'd also be taking into account our soft land/dam being 3 months off calving again/blues bad feet.

Why bring him out? Exporters agents will buy this type of stock from the yard any day at €3 a kilo. Paid on the day and no kilos lost standing in a mart all day. Anything fit for export goes this way from here. They will come to the yard for as small a number as 5.

jt65

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

That even makes it worse, you are right 1150 was the price. When buying cattle, especially cattle that you finish over the winter, you have to buy a pen that is 10-15 of them, I worked off 1150 orginally just because I made a mistake off on the orginal post changes little. Instead of just judging give a reasoned opinion. it is east to be critical when you fail to back up an analysis.


maybe my mistake is being willing to put an opinion out there and opening it to critical analysis. Too may sit on the fence and do not engage

I know very little about finishing stock with the exception of a few heifers and cull cows

a guy I used to do haulage for in the past used to finish about 300 bullocks and never once looked what profit a beast left, he always worked on what it cost to put back the store & that was his profit


junior took 8 heifers to the mart for a fellow last tuesday , he finished up buying 4 of them arpil/may 13, lm x br fr cows 367 kgs €685 grand longish good frames weighting sfa

I don't know what he intends doing with them but with only 1 movement if they don't leave money it's all over

I'm not judging any thing but if you want stock to make money you don't get them by looking at rosette cattle on the comic , a lot guys I know tried that and finished up selling sites to keep going ( that option isn't too freely available any more)

that's my opinion maybe the beef men on here will disagree as I said I'm not in the beef game but if i see a beast value for money in the ring I will buy it

onyerbikepat

jt65 wrote: »

....that's my opinion maybe the beef men on here will disagree as I said I'm not in the beef game but if i see a beast value for money in the ring I will buy it

Well, that goes without saying. Different story when you are breeding your own though.

Robson99

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Robson you learn as much from the boards in a mart as looking at the animal. The reality is that beef is a commodity at present as are these cattle. Take the first bull on first sight he looks value, he has good weight for age, look a good fleshy animal compared to bulls in picture No 6 however you are limited in taht at present factory's are limiting him on age and weight. Going for the high priced june market will bring him over 16 months and March is a bad time to sell bull. In reality it a waste squeezing him. The most viable will be the Christmas market. I thing he would kill a max of 380 kgs and at 4.2/kg will just be shy of 1600 euro. However I am not sure how realistic that is.

The bulls in picture no 6 are lighter but are also cattle taht will struggle to exit out of FS2= before 400+kgs so will struggle to attract a premium price in the factory.

You cannot say what is value when you cannot even grade them. Would you buy any of these without seeing them in the flesh ??. I'm not having a go at you or anything but trying to guess what is value out of a picture in the paper is a complete waste of time IMO

larrymiller

Robson99 wrote: »

You cannot say what is value when you cannot even grade them. Would you buy any of these without seeing them in the flesh ??. I'm not having a go at you or anything but trying to guess what is value out of a picture in the paper is a complete waste of time IMO

Quare hard to judge when there in the ring too, between looking at the board, looking at the animal and listening to the auctioneer. Head do be melted