Selling Thailand Quality Jerseys

Take Your Pants Off

I was wondering is it legal to sell Thailand quality jerseys on places such as donedeal and adverts.ie
I will mention they are not the real thing, they are Thailand quality.
As some people in my school were selling them and made lots of profit.
So I thought maybe I get some, as I am trying to save up for something.
But before I do this I need to know, if this is considered legal or what.
I also see many people online selling them on sites such as adverts.ie and donedeal.

jamesbondings

Is this serious?

Im not 100% correct but id say I would be about 99% right in saying no, let alone the breaking of trademarks and copyrights of brands and their sponsors etc, you would also be dealing counterfit goods..... Nothing stopping you designing your own shirts and getting them manufactured in Thailand but i would stay away from branded goods ....

(not in any way a legal person of any description, just using my head!?)

Arbiter of Good Taste

You realise the major brands have people specially employed to scour the internet, visit street vendors, etc, just waiting to catch something like this?

Never mind the fact that you would probably be funding organised crime rings

Take Your Pants Off

Then how come so many people in china sell it.

barney1975

The simple answer is that it is illegal.

somesoldiers

a reply I got from an Irish online advertiser when I complained about them advertising replicas

Thank you for contacting us here at .........
The area of replicas is a very difficult area for us as you can imagine. We have been taking the advise of the Gardai as to what we can do here as a classified ads website. But it appears, unless we have a confirmation of actual intellectual property manager for a brand we have no way to confirm whether or not an item is a replica or not.
We were keen to put processes in place to work with any anti-racketeering teams within the Gardai but again, they can only confirm items are replica with the assistance of a brand manager. This identification also has to be done physically so they would need to see the product in person. For this reason, we felt we were doing more harm than good removing ads that state they are "replica" because they are at least giving our .......... the opportunity to make an informed choice. It appears many people are happy to purchase "replicas". If we banned this term it would mean that people selling genuine and replica products would place the same ad potentially. This is a serious risk for the average person who may not spot a "replica" from the photo or description text.
We also approached the Revenue to see what their stance is in this area and it seems that they can only take action on goods before they come into the country so once they are here there is no process to investigate.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Arbiter of Good Taste

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

Then how come so many people in china sell it.

So that's your justification? Really?

They commit human rights abuses in China. So that makes it ok for everyone?

unattendedbag

somesoldiers wrote: »

a reply I got from an Irish online advertiser when I complained about them advertising replicas
Thank you for contacting us here at .........
The area of replicas is a very difficult area for us as you can imagine. We have been taking the advise of the Gardai as to what we can do here as a classified ads website. But it appears, unless we have a confirmation of actual intellectual property manager for a brand we have no way to confirm whether or not an item is a replica or not.
We were keen to put processes in place to work with any anti-racketeering teams within the Gardai but again, they can only confirm items are replica with the assistance of a brand manager. This identification also has to be done physically so they would need to see the product in person. For this reason, we felt we were doing more harm than good removing ads that state they are "replica" because they are at least giving our .......... the opportunity to make an informed choice. It appears many people are happy to purchase "replicas". If we banned this term it would mean that people selling genuine and replica products would place the same ad potentially. This is a serious risk for the average person who may not spot a "replica" from the photo or description text.
We also approached the Revenue to see what their stance is in this area and it seems that they can only take action on goods before they come into the country so once they are here there is no process to investigate.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.

This is BS. Are they honestly trying to say that they don't know whether or not their jerseys are counterfeit? Unless it's an official replica sanctioned by the club in question then it's counterfeit.

All the Gardai have to do is seize the items, call in an expert from Nike, Adidas or whoever and have them give exert evidence that the item is counterfeit. There's your prosecution. It's happens more often than u think especially at pop up markets with fake handbags etc.

Take Your Pants Off

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

So that's your justification? Really?

They commit human rights abuses in China. So that makes it ok for everyone?

No.
I meant how come those people in china are not being caught.
Please understand qs befote you accuse someone of something

somesoldiers

It was fake watches I was complaining about then but it seems they are happy to take the couple of euro and let anyone advertise almost anything.

johnciall

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

No.
I meant how come those people in china are not being caught.
Please understand qs befote you accuse someone of something

The immediate & obvious answer is that China & Ireland are different countries with different Legal systems and cultures regarding copyright & counterfeit goods

Pro Hoc Vice

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

No.
I meant how come those people in china are not being caught.
Please understand qs befote you accuse someone of something

Because China has a different legal system, in fact copying is considered a art form, in China.

Take Your Pants Off

So your saying if I got to china, start violating trademarks and copyrights and make jerseys,shirts, watches etc.
and then sell them to the consumer, I will not get arrested.

Pro Hoc Vice

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

So your saying if I got to china, start violating trademarks and copyrights and make jerseys,shirts, watches etc.
and then sell them to the consumer, I will not get arrested.

You would need the advice of a lawyer in china to answer that. But if a person buys copyright protected goods abroad and imports to ireland they will be in breach of irish law which when in ireland is all that matters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2016885/Fake-Apple-store-China-convincing-staff-fooled.html

Bepolite

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

So your saying if I got to china, start violating trademarks and copyrights and make jerseys,shirts, watches etc.
and then sell them to the consumer, I will not get arrested.

OP are you really this naive about the world? Honest question as you mention you are at School. While I applaud you're want to run a small business I really think your time might be better spent watching some documentaries/reading a newspaper, I think it will pay dividends for you down the line.

China is a country with a population of of 1.3 Billion people and a per capita income of under $11,000. The average Joe is much poorer than someone here and is willing to take more risks. That said China in particular is no where near as strict on intellectual property rights as we are in Ireland.

While we're talking about China and it's legal system, they still shoot people in the back of the head for a myriad of crimes - puts it one step above the US in terms of Human Rights in this regard I suppose but it is what it is.

Five Lamps

somesoldiers wrote: »

a reply I got from an Irish online advertiser when I complained about them advertising replicas

Thank you for contacting us here at .........
The area of replicas is a very difficult area for us as you can imagine. We have been taking the advise of the Gardai as to what we can do here as a classified ads website. But it appears, unless we have a confirmation of actual intellectual property manager for a brand we have no way to confirm whether or not an item is a replica or not.
We were keen to put processes in place to work with any anti-racketeering teams within the Gardai but again, they can only confirm items are replica with the assistance of a brand manager. This identification also has to be done physically so they would need to see the product in person. For this reason, we felt we were doing more harm than good removing ads that state they are "replica" because they are at least giving our .......... the opportunity to make an informed choice. It appears many people are happy to purchase "replicas". If we banned this term it would mean that people selling genuine and replica products would place the same ad potentially. This is a serious risk for the average person who may not spot a "replica" from the photo or description text.
We also approached the Revenue to see what their stance is in this area and it seems that they can only take action on goods before they come into the country so once they are here there is no process to investigate.
Please let me know if you have any other questions.

Wouldn't surprise me if it came from either of the ad sites mentioned in this thread. They don't care what you sell and enforce no standards as they are a "marketplace". If they had to enforce standards they would be making a hell of a lot less money.

What you read above is standard cop out. They'd love to help but their hands are tied or somebody needs to verify something or other. Anything other than kicking the advertiser of the site which they can easily do in an instant. Put the onus back onto the seller to prove they have genuine stock.

Cookie_Monster

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

So your saying if I got to china, start violating trademarks and copyrights and make jerseys,shirts, watches etc.
and then sell them to the consumer, I will not get arrested.

nope. Top Gear had quite a good piece on Chinese cars in one of their programs. BMW tried to sue a Chinese manufacturer for a very blatant copy of it's X5 and lost...

http://www.autospies.com/news/BMW-loses-court-battle-to-chinese-X5-clone-39101/

smashey

Take Your Pants Off wrote: »

I was wondering is it legal to sell Thailand quality jerseys on places such as donedeal and adverts.ie
I will mention they are not the real thing, they are Thailand quality.
As some people in my school were selling them and made lots of profit.
So I thought maybe I get some, as I am trying to save up for something.
But before I do this I need to know, if this is considered legal or what.
I also see many people online selling them on sites such as adverts.ie and donedeal.

They are removed from adverts as and when they are noticed or reported there. Adverts also get emails from the manufacturers of the jerseys at times and remove based on that.