learner driver with 7 penalty points

odonoghue7

Daughter has provisional. Just got 3 points for speeding bringing her to 7 points. Because she has a provisional from 2013 I think the 12 point ceiling applies and she does not get disqualified. However if she passes her test and gets a full licence she will have to display N plates and as a novice driver she will have 7 points and will be disqualified. If I am correct then this is a very serious anomaly. Does anyone know if I am correct.

Bepolite

odonoghue7 wrote: »

Daughter has provisional. Just got 3 points for speeding bringing her to 7 points. Because she has a provisional from 2013 I think the 12 point ceiling applies and she does not get disqualified. However if she passes her test and gets a full licence she will have to display N plates and as a novice driver she will have 7 points and will be disqualified. If I am correct then this is a very serious anomaly. Does anyone know if I am correct.

What is the accompanying driver doing while she's speeding?

odonoghue7

Bepolite wrote: »

What is the accompanying driver doing while she's speeding?

Have you nothing better to be doing than asking stupid questions?

Bepolite

odonoghue7 wrote: »

Have you nothing better to be doing than asking stupid questions?

It's not really a stupid question, if she's driving unaccompanied and/or has been accompanied by someone who allows her to speed then one of the following is going to be true:

(i) She needs more time to learn and the points will have dropped off by that point,

(ii) a wee disqualification might be in order. I don't see it as a serious anomaly at all but an excellent change to the law.

Unfortunately for us all, including your daughter - it seems on reflection (and some more reading) the limit will only apply to people issued the LP after 01/08/14.

7 Penalty points in under three years is madness - I hope nobody is hurt (including her) in the almost inevitable accident.

Little CuChulainn

odonoghue7 wrote: »

Have you nothing better to be doing than asking stupid questions?

You started it. A simple look at the summary of the new regulations would have answered your question. The lower threshold applies to people who are granted their first learners permit after the date.

http://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Licensed-Drivers/Driving-licence/Novice-Plates-Introduction/

Pkiernan

7 points on a provisional.....wow.

How about taking the keys away for a while? Make the roads a little safer.
Only a matter of time before she gets pulled driving unaccompanied, and then you won't have to worry about which level of points are applicable. Plus you'll be stumping up a grand for her fine,

jameshayes

It's hard not to get onto a high horse about this... I've been driving 13 years without ppoints - how can she manage 7 in such a short time?

solomafioso

OP do us all a favour and take the keys away from your daughter. Maybe your punishment wasn't severe enough the first time?

Bepolite

jameshayes wrote: »

It's hard not to get onto a high horse about this... I've been driving 13 years without ppoints - how can she manage 7 in such a short time?

Horse = fine, car :eek:

pablo128

odonoghue7 wrote: »

Daughter has provisional. Just got 3 points for speeding bringing her to 7 points. Because she has a provisional from 2013 I think the 12 point ceiling applies and she does not get disqualified. However if she passes her test and gets a full licence she will have to display N plates and as a novice driver she will have 7 points and will be disqualified. If I am correct then this is a very serious anomaly. Does anyone know if I am correct.

How did she get 3 points for speeding? It's 2 points, or 4 if convicted in court.

JillyQ

pablo128 wrote: »

How did she get 3 points for speeding? It's 2 points, or 4 if convicted in court.

has that not changed with the new laws. I would also like to know how the hell anyone can rack up seven points in a year. I have two points, have been driving for over 20 yrs & do approximately 30,000 km per year.

Stheno

JillyQ wrote: »

has that not changed with the new laws. I would also like to know how the hell anyone can rack up seven points in a year. I have two points, have been driving for over 20 yrs & do approximately 30,000 km per year.

It has, it's now three points for speeding.

I'm also in awe at seven points in a year, I'm driving about 15 at this stage and have never had a single point.

FurBabyMomma

No need to cop an attitude with a fellow poster asking a reasonable question. You should be more concerned with keeling your daughter off the road until she has enough sense not to put the lives of other road users at risk with her reckless behaviour.

JillyQ

Stheno wrote: »

It has, it's now three points for speeding.

I'm also in awe at seven points in a year, I'm driving about 15 at this stage and have never had a single point.

I got my 1st ever set of points about 4 months ago.

Pro Hoc Vice

odonoghue7 wrote: »

Have you nothing better to be doing than asking stupid questions?

Seriously I have a full licence over 20 years in total 2points you need to look at your parenting skills. Take some responsibility for your offspring.

tenifan

Sounds like she got 2+2+ 3 for speeding. (so caught 3 times)
A friend of mine who is the slowest, most cautious driver you will ever meet got done by the same speeding van twice in one day (in different directions I think). That's 4 points.
On most roads I drive there aren't speeding cameras, but other roads are plagued with them.

Pawwed Rig

tenifan wrote: »

A friend of mine who is the slowest, most cautious driver you will ever meet got done by the same speeding van twice in one day (in different directions I think). That's 4 points.

So your cautious friend was speeding then?:pac:

tenifan

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

So your cautious friend was speeding then?:pac:

Yep. He was in a hurry one day. Seriously, his road is the width of a motorway and has a 50kph sign on it. If I lived there I'd be disqualified within a year.

Pro Hoc Vice

tenifan wrote: »

Yep. He was in a hurry one day. Seriously, his road is the width of a motorway and has a 50kph sign on it. If I lived there I'd be disqualified within a year.

Yup they is all to get him.

Stheno

tenifan wrote: »

Yep. He was in a hurry one day. Seriously, his road is the width of a motorway and has a 50kph sign on it. If I lived there I'd be disqualified within a year.

There is a stretch on the N4 near liffey valley which is notorious for this, I know someone who got disqualified in a week not paying attention to the speed limit signs.

tenifan

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

So your cautious friend was speeding then?:pac:

btw I meant cautious as a considerate, careful driver, as opposed to cautious as in blindly sticking to speed limits (80kph over a bridge on a country road).
That being said, this was a few years ago and he hasn't been done since.

monkeysnapper

Same as other posters , been driving since I was 17 , I'm now 38 and never had a point in my life , if my daughter had that record I'd be more concerned with getting a knock at the door one day and finding two Garda,s looking as miserable as Shyte wanting to come in off the street to talk .
Maybe op needs to get rid the the attitude and have a moment of clarity .

JillyQ

Stheno wrote: »

There is a stretch on the N4 near liffey valley which is notorious for this, I know someone who got disqualified in a week not paying attention to the speed limit signs.

I have driven that stretch @ least twice a month for the past 10 years & never got points there.

pablo128

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

Seriously I have a full licence over 20 years in total 2points you need to look at your parenting skills. Take some responsibility for your offspring.

And have a word with her qualified driver too while you're at it.

JillyQ

pablo128 wrote: »

And have a word with her qualified driver too while you're at it.

The op appears to be blaming the system instead of the driver. Personally I think anyone who is capable of racking up 7 points in the 1st year of driving should be permanently put off road. They are a real danger to every other road user.

hullaballoo

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