1 farm 2 flocks ??????????????

padowado

I have too much grass for my own sheep, would any one know
if i let in another sheep farmer for 2 months would it be
against department rules i could have them in a field 2 miles
away from home farm. Thanks in advance

Username John

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/ruralenvironment/environment/nitrates/Record4.pdf

*I think* that form suggests its ok, as long as the movement details are recorded. But I'd say a call to the dept might be the easiest way to find out for sure.

Kovu

Username John wrote: »

https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/ruralenvironment/environment/nitrates/Record4.pdf

*I think* that form suggests its ok, as long as the movement details are recorded. But I'd say a call to the dept might be the easiest way to find out for sure.

+1 on ringing just to be sure. The question is if you'll get an answer:rolleyes:

What I can find online suggests it's ok as long as correct movement permits are used.

Temporary Movement to Mixed Farm on which there are livestock.
If there are any livestock on the temporary holding (even if housed separately) then the movement to and from the temporary holding must be notified to DAFM. However, as there is no change of ownership the responsibility for notifying these movements is with the owner of the sheep. Notification of the movement to the temporary holding is made by completing a dispatch/movement document and sending the pink copy to the local District Veterinary Office for recording. Notification of the movement back to the holding of origin can be made by the owner sending the white copy of the same dispatch/movement document set to the local office but the document must be clearly marked ‘Return Movement from Temporary Grazing’. In the event that the number of sheep being returned to the original holding is less than the number sent in the first instance then this should also be indicated.

jt65

.Kovu. wrote: »

+1 on ringing just to be sure. The question is if you'll get an answer:rolleyes:
Temporary Movement to Mixed Farm on which there are livestock.
If there are any livestock on the temporary holding (even if housed separately) then the movement to and from the temporary holding must be notified to DAFM. However, as there is no change of ownership the responsibility for notifying these movements is with the owner of the sheep. Notification of the movement to the temporary holding is made by completing a dispatch/movement document and sending the pink copy to the local District Veterinary Office for recording. Notification of the movement back to the holding of origin can be made by the owner sending the white copy of the same dispatch/movement document set to the local office but the document must be clearly marked ‘Return Movement from Temporary Grazing’. In the event that the number of sheep being returned to the original holding is less than the number sent in the first instance then this should also be indicated.

What I can find online suggests it's ok as long as correct movement permits are used.

thanks for quoting as a neighbour wants to "borrow" some sheep for reseeded ground and you saved me some time

for sales the onus is on the buyer to notify the movement , but since ownership doesn't change in this instance , the registered owner is responsible for notifying both movements


Unannounced inspections will be starting shortly so it's best to have the shop in order

Green farmer

Unannounced inspections ?

Kovu

Green farmer wrote: »

Unannounced inspections ?

Dunno about the rest of ye but my father got a text a few weeks back saying that we'd had an inspection of the land/farm area and none of us had even noticed anyone!

jt65

.Kovu. wrote: »

Dunno about the rest of ye but my father got a text a few weeks back saying that we'd had an inspection of the land/farm area and none of us had even noticed anyone!

don't give them tea and tart or they'll live with you as the o/h found out

ganmo

Hmm don't like the sound of that...we've a habit of addressing strangers on our land in an unwelcoming manner probably would continue if we found out he was an inspector we might continue the unwelcoming manner.

In seriousness though unannounced inspections cant be good for farmers.

In work I'm hearing that the dept are considering billing mills etc for the time taken to conduct the audit/inspection and once they get that in they might look at trying that with farms.

Kovu

Hmmph, well if they tried that with us I'd be asking for proof of them being on our land first! For all we know they sat in the car and had a cup of tea and a sandwich while looking over the hedge:D

Nekarsulm

had a flock inspection a few weeks ago. 24 hours notice. he was polite and pleasent enough, my problem was a number of ewrs without electronic tags. got a letter the othet day stating "you may recieve a penalty in your SFP due to i.correct tagging"

tommy5678

what would they say if you had ewes with no tags and lambs

Nekarsulm

You would probably be getting invited into a small room for a chat with several Dept. Officials. Probably be told that your name was going to be put "up on the wall" for special attention.........

You would need to order electronic tags, enough for every breeding ewe and lamb being kept for breeding and over one year of age. Then tag them and record event in your flock register, correlating all you can. The Dept, I now know, or pehaps their computer, can pinpoint flocks with many more sheep numbers than electronic tags ordered. At least that is what the inspector told me. he advised I order enough for several years expected breeding ewe lambs, to reduce the likelyhood of an inspection.

jt65

farm to farm sales is an area where a lot of people slip up,


here we buy in some ewes with lambs at foot , dept inspector has load of pages of print out of movements for last 3 years & checked against flock register

also had to read x amount of ewe tags and again check in register,

it's no big issue if you keep it updated but like the animal remedies if you fall behind it can difficult to it correctly


BTW I take some time out each Friday morning to update week's records,

not much happened last week so I'm on Boards

Green farmer

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you would need to order electronic tags, enough for every breeding ewe and kamb being kept fir breeding and over one year of age. Then tag them and record event in your flock register, correlating all you can. The Dept, I now know, or pehaps their computer, can pinpoint flocks with many more sheep numbers than electronic tags ordered. At least that is what the inspector told me. he advised I order enough for several years expected breeding ewe lambs, to reduce the likelyhood of an inspection.[/QUOTE]


After reading this I'm after ordering more tags this morning. My supply of electronic tags was " abit scant " shall we say !!!

Nekarsulm

.Kovu. wrote: »

Dunno about the rest of ye but my father got a text a few weeks back saying that we'd had an inspection of the land/farm area and none of us had even noticed anyone!

Probably inspected the neighbours ......:D

Kovu

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Probably inspected the neighbours ......:D

With any luck....sure they make better cake than me anyway.

rangler1

Green farmer wrote: »

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you would need to order electronic tags, enough for every breeding ewe and kamb being kept fir breeding and over one year of age. Then tag them and record event in your flock register, correlating all you can. The Dept, I now know, or pehaps their computer, can pinpoint flocks with many more sheep numbers than electronic tags ordered. At least that is what the inspector told me. he advised I order enough for several years expected breeding ewe lambs, to reduce the likelyhood of an inspection.
After reading this I'm after ordering more tags this morning. My supply of electronic tags was " abit scant " shall we say !!!

Put them in a soon as you get them, any unusual movement of tags can bring on an inspection

jt65

rangler1 wrote: »

Put them in a soon as you get them, any unusual movement of tags can bring on an inspection

also any sheep farmer who has a great run of luck & doesn't send any sheep to the knackers seem to attract attention

Nekarsulm

rangler1 wrote: »

Put them in a soon as you get them, any unusual movement of tags can bring on an inspection

Yeah, and the lack of them has cost me 3% penalty in the SFP
That's 3 times what the tags cost.